ESPN Analysts say Malik should pick Miss. State
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Good stuff thanks for posting. It would be an amazing turnaround to sign Howland and then land Malik.
Wasn't Goodman the prick who made the comment two days after Howland signed and Ariz. St. opened up that, "I wonder if he wishes he had waited now?". Think he made another snide remark about having to go from Santa Barbara to Starkville.
After seeing him here, I didn't realize the prick was so damn ugly also with his chipmunk cheeks. Prick
After seeing him here, I didn't realize the prick was so damn ugly also with his chipmunk cheeks. Prick
Goodman is a tool who broke stories at the expense of personal lives when he was starting out. He was the worst of the worst. But he has moved up in the world and now picks what he should write about and leave off the record. It has given him a lot of insight and inside stories as a result.
Hell, for damn near a decade now, his transfer list is gold to coaches across the country- it was(and really still it) the only/best place to find out what players were transferring and who was still available. Coaches would actually call Goodman to ask about players.
He has a face for radio, but for whatever reason, ESPN put him on TV. With that said, his comment about Howland and ASU just doesn't get to me. Yeah the ASU job is better than ours. Its also in a conference he is used to and in a recruiting area he is very used to(CA kids go to Arizona colleges all the time). So yup, that comment is good by me. Oh wah wah wah, Goodman remarked that our new coach might have wanted to go elsewhere if the opportunity were available earlier. Oh wah wah.
Would you say the Ole Miss basketball job is also superior to the MSU basketball job because alot of people would choose Oxford over Starkville? I sure wouldn't...
ASU is a basketball black hole. They are arguably the second-worst program in the history of the pac12 behind Oregon St. Had one good run in the late 60s/early 70s. It doesn't even really make sense how inept they've been for how long given what you would consider their natural advantages and just how good Arizona has been right up the road.
Nebraska, Northwestern, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Rutgers, and Oregon St are the only power conference teams currently with a longer run of Sweet 16 impotence than ASU. Which, in fairness, is followed by Arkansas, Georgia, and us. But we've been alot better than our March success would imply.
You went to an awful lot of trouble there to make a point that really isn't relevant to my preference of Tempe over a lot of places.
No it's not. It's damn near impossible to win at ASU on a consistent basis. And even if you did, nobody would care because Arizona is always going to be king in that state in basketball. If you're taking a job on where you'd like to live, why isn't Hawaii dominating in all sports?
Im not sure how you came to the conclusion that I was speaking on behalf of the coaching profession. I was speaking for myself.
Well for 1 its opinion.
They have better recent history and are in a solid conference with plenty of resources. They have the ability to be a top 4 program in that conference each year. And its a better job specifically for someone with strong ties to southern CA because of the sheer number of recruits in that part of the country- many who have shown a willingness to play in the state of Arizona.
Just being real, he should go wherever sets him up the best financially, whatever shoe company makes the best promises/deals to go to one of their schools, whatever school gives him the best investment.
He's only going to be in school for one year if it all works out, and he's going to be a high draft pick no matter who coaches him.
For that reason, he needs to follow the green and get what he can during his one year waiting period before the NBA.
I have no sources, but for some reason I've always felt LSU would be the place. Howland may know how to work the system well enough to get him to MSU too. Calipari can always work his magic too with his track record and connections. I would be shocked if he ends up at Ole Miss. That's about the only one that would surprise me.
He's only going to be in school for one year if it all works out, and he's going to be a high draft pick no matter who coaches him.
For that reason, he needs to follow the green and get what he can during his one year waiting period before the NBA.
I have no sources, but for some reason I've always felt LSU would be the place. Howland may know how to work the system well enough to get him to MSU too. Calipari can always work his magic too with his track record and connections. I would be shocked if he ends up at Ole Miss. That's about the only one that would surprise me.
Arizona St. has been to 7 NCAA tournaments since 1975, with a total of 4 wins. Sure their "recent" history is better than ours. Hell, most everybody has a better 3 years than we do right now. But, other than those 3 years, our program has been a lot better than ASU's over just about any time span you want to look at.
I completely disagree that if ASU were to win on a consistent basis, that nobody would care because UA is historically more successful. That's just absurd thinking. ASU's 400,000 alumni will care. Fans of ASU will care. Fans of college basketball will take notice. What more would you expect or hope for when applying this to any program?
ASU's budget is over $75mm. They have excellent weather, easy access to air travel, a fantastic campus, something like 80,000 total students at any given time, and access to SoCal recruits. Oh, and they play in a conference where there are only a few programs that will typically be good each year(UCLA and UA. Include Utah this season and replace with any other program on a given year).
They are a sleeping giant without much of a barrier(none, really) to entry.
Getting a coach that can pull in talented recruits on a consistent basis is really all they need- there is plenty of everything else.
What a program did or didn't do 30-40 years ago has absolutely no bearing on what it is doing now and how it can do in the future.
Florida never won an SEC title until the end of the 80s. They didn't win an SEC Tournament title until the mid00s. What they did or didn't do back in the 60s had no bearing on that.
This is what I don't get....
When the talking heads take shots of Starkville. I believe Goodman also made a crack when the news first broke about Howland going from Santa Barbara to Starkville other than the one above. The one above actually made more sense than the first one. At least it was comparing the athletic programs to one another. The first one was comparing Starkville to Santa Barbara.
What I don't get is are we talking about vacation and or residential destinations or are we talking about head coaching opportunities?
If Goodman is talking about vacation or residential destinations I side with him 100%. I'd would rather take up residence in Santa Barbara than Starkville any day if I had the finances to do so. But if we're talking about a man going to a job that will consume pretty much his entire time devoted to coaching, recruiting, traveling, so on and so on, why make these comparisons? It makes no sense.
Now when Howland gets some down time, all he has to do is plop down his credit card and pay for a flight to his home in Santa Barbara and he can prop his feet up on his deck, sip a cold beverage of his choice and watch the waves come in.
But to knock Starkville...and truthfully I get it. Starkville is not all that even though it has made great strides the past decade or so. It kind of reminds me of the leadership of MSU....until we got in some new blood...Fogelsong, the Ninja, Dan, etc, etc. we were just kind of blowing in the wind....which ever way the wind blew is how MSU athletics went so to speak. Now we have some leadership with a vision of where they want to go. The town of Starkville is similar to me. We're finally seeing, and honestly could use even more, but we're seeing a plan in place and strides to get to where it wants to go.
That was my beef with Goodman. Why take a shot of the town that a program is in compared to where the new head coach was coming from? It had nothing to do with the hire; nothing to do with the basketball program, nothing to add to the main topic of the day, which was Howland and Miss. State.
I'm actually glad to see some of the post below talking about the comparison of the programs of Miss. State and Ariz. State. That is worth talking about. Not comparing Santa Barbara to Starkville.
When the talking heads take shots of Starkville. I believe Goodman also made a crack when the news first broke about Howland going from Santa Barbara to Starkville other than the one above. The one above actually made more sense than the first one. At least it was comparing the athletic programs to one another. The first one was comparing Starkville to Santa Barbara.
What I don't get is are we talking about vacation and or residential destinations or are we talking about head coaching opportunities?
If Goodman is talking about vacation or residential destinations I side with him 100%. I'd would rather take up residence in Santa Barbara than Starkville any day if I had the finances to do so. But if we're talking about a man going to a job that will consume pretty much his entire time devoted to coaching, recruiting, traveling, so on and so on, why make these comparisons? It makes no sense.
Now when Howland gets some down time, all he has to do is plop down his credit card and pay for a flight to his home in Santa Barbara and he can prop his feet up on his deck, sip a cold beverage of his choice and watch the waves come in.
But to knock Starkville...and truthfully I get it. Starkville is not all that even though it has made great strides the past decade or so. It kind of reminds me of the leadership of MSU....until we got in some new blood...Fogelsong, the Ninja, Dan, etc, etc. we were just kind of blowing in the wind....which ever way the wind blew is how MSU athletics went so to speak. Now we have some leadership with a vision of where they want to go. The town of Starkville is similar to me. We're finally seeing, and honestly could use even more, but we're seeing a plan in place and strides to get to where it wants to go.
That was my beef with Goodman. Why take a shot of the town that a program is in compared to where the new head coach was coming from? It had nothing to do with the hire; nothing to do with the basketball program, nothing to add to the main topic of the day, which was Howland and Miss. State.
I'm actually glad to see some of the post below talking about the comparison of the programs of Miss. State and Ariz. State. That is worth talking about. Not comparing Santa Barbara to Starkville.
Sorry, by 'recently', I was referring to the last 5ish years. No, I don't have some hard cutoff for what I consider recent. 8 seasons?
Look at the last 3 years of their program to ours. Recent history points in ASU's favor. Look at the last 8 years, still in ASU's favor.
Why is it funny to say they have the ability to be a top 4 program in that conference? What other teams, besides UCLA and Arizona, are poised to be so much better year in and out?
Why is it funny to say they have the ability to be a top 4 program in that conference? What other teams, besides UCLA and Arizona, are poised to be so much better year in and out?
As far as Goodman saying Tempe was a better pick than Starkville, I imagine it was based on the following:
1) Tan legged short short wearing co-eds
2) Arizona Cardinals
3) Ski resorts, mountains nearby
4) High income areas (residential and commercial)
5) Closer to California where he has a house
What he missed is that the ASU basketball program and athletic program sucks, and the SEC is stepping up its game big time with SEC Basketball. I think he knows that now.
1) Tan legged short short wearing co-eds
2) Arizona Cardinals
3) Ski resorts, mountains nearby
4) High income areas (residential and commercial)
5) Closer to California where he has a house
What he missed is that the ASU basketball program and athletic program sucks, and the SEC is stepping up its game big time with SEC Basketball. I think he knows that now.
You're forgetting Oregon, Utah, Stanford, and *historically* (that word is being thrown around a lot) UW. Not factoring in USC which is actually in Los Angelos, trumping ASU's mere being one state over from Los Angelos, and has infinite resources compared to ASU and has proven they're willing to use them for basketball... Just not wisely.
Debating ASU's relevance in basketball to the Pac-12 would be like saying "well, why WOULDN'T a coach leave _____ for Kentucky football? They've had a #1 overall pick, they've beaten Bama in the last weekend, and hypothetically speaking they COULD be a top 4 team in their conference due to their relative closeness to southern high schools."
The only argument with some merit behind it is Howland has coached D1 basketball in Arizona before and had success there. Don't blame him for passing on a middle rung (liberal assessment) Pac-12 school for a middle rung SEC school who's demonstrated very recently to back a winner, regardless of where it is.
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