seems these are synonymous is the eyes of many people. It is true that I am a "lifer" and sometimes have been known to *****. However, I am proud to be a lifer. Many opinionated people can say whatever they want, but not all of them can say they are lifers. My dedication to MSU has been and will remain beyond loyal. I hope everyone here can say the same thing when they become "lifers". Have a good weekend, and if possible, please post a baseball score when you hear it.