Back to my post from yesterday...
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Wow, just went back and read the original thread. Wow again.
On the topic, I too get a laugh out of your athletic department using TSUN on Twitter. Obviously, they've made it part of their marketing strategy to not refer to Ole Miss by name. I'm good with that.
On the topic, I too get a laugh out of your athletic department using TSUN on Twitter. Obviously, they've made it part of their marketing strategy to not refer to Ole Miss by name. I'm good with that.
Wow, just wow. What is even funnier is your constant need for publicly validate yourself. If you were as indifferent as you claim, you would not be here.
The wow just wow group-think hive-mind of every idiot in that slaveship sub-thread yesterday is the funniest part of this whole deal. Arguing over racism is for pawns.
The wow just wow group-think hive-mind of every idiot in that slaveship sub-thread yesterday is the funniest part of this whole deal. Arguing over racism is for pawns.
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More successful than AL, AU, So Car, and Clem? Cause that's who my post was about.
There is a different formula for Mississippi schools than there is for Alabama and Auburn. And really, for South Carolina and Clemson too. First of all, Alabama and Auburn are on a different wavelength. Second, many Georgia and North Carolina players look at Clemson as almost an in-state school, and to a lesser extent South Carolina. I believe it is easier to recruit Florida from there as well - ease of being near Atlanta. Bottom line, they have a better location in which to recruit quality out-of-state players from fertile areas.
In Mississippi, it has always been about who wins the battle instate. Your 2013 recruiting class was the exception to the rule. If you could do that consistently, you would have an argument, but you simply cannot. I truly hope Hugh Freeze opts for out-of-state rather than in-state.
There really is not another comparison out there similar to MSU and Ole Miss. We are pretty unique. Not many states with 3 million people product the football talent that Mississippi does.
In Mississippi, it has always been about who wins the battle instate. Your 2013 recruiting class was the exception to the rule. If you could do that consistently, you would have an argument, but you simply cannot. I truly hope Hugh Freeze opts for out-of-state rather than in-state.
There really is not another comparison out there similar to MSU and Ole Miss. We are pretty unique. Not many states with 3 million people product the football talent that Mississippi does.
So the numbers show one thing, but MS is the exception because it's unique. Got it.
Who's been more successful: AL or AU? USCe or Clem? State or TSUN?
None of those percentages you posted is anywhere near 63%.
And Bama hasn't been the same Bama over the past two season.
Yep. That's the point. The numbers show there's an outlier, and it isn't TSUN, USM, AL, AU, So Car, or Clem.
I know it's "our state" and all, but I really don't care where our recruits come from. If we can get the top ones in the state, great, take them. But if we need to go next door to get more like Dak, I'm all for that too. I'll just let Dan do his thing though. He seems to have it figured out. Just win with whoever you get and I'm happy.
Actually, if you look at the numbers that way, it works in bear fan's favor. South Carolina has dominated Clemson, and has less in-state players.
My original post was comparing the two schools. You then showed the #'s for those schools I am assuming to make the point that those schools match what Ole Miss does. So the connection was there to say Ole Miss should be as successful as Alabama, Auburn, etc. And I replied back with State is more successful than Ole Miss using the in-state strategy.
Those states have different circumstances, so the numbers do not really apply equally.
Unfortunately, MS does not have as ideal of a location and/or population as AL or SC. Both of those states have almost 5 million people and are closer to Georgia. Not apples to apples.
Unfortunately, MS does not have as ideal of a location and/or population as AL or SC. Both of those states have almost 5 million people and are closer to Georgia. Not apples to apples.
I agree. But in the case of MSU and Ole Miss, the easiest way to get the best players possible is from the state of MS in general. Obviously you will need some out-of-state help, but it is not wise to put the majority of your emphasis there unless it is an extraordinary circumstance, such as Ole Miss' 2013 class (they had the tie to Nkemdiche).
Not seeing that connection. The numbers show TSUN, USM, AL, AU, So Car, and Clem are doing it one way, and MSU is doing it a different way. Nothing more, nothing less.
Dominated head-to-head, except this year, and probably next year, and possibly the next year. Are those numbers from the bear over 5 years or just this last recruiting class? USCe is on the downward stumble. When you look at the overall records, they are about even.
What's the point? You hand picked the numbers you wanted to show as outliers. I see no numbers on Texas, Florida, Georgia, Tenn, etc., etc. What you did is took some spaghetti noodles and threw them against the wall and hoped they stuck.
So if anything TSUN and MSU should be signing fewer in-state kids than AL, AU, So Car, and Clem because AL and SC have a significantly higher population than MS.
No, it means we must sign MORE of the majority, since there ARE less.
Then you have the reality that MSU's and/or Ole Miss' ceiling is not as higher as those other 4 schools. Just a fact.
So, you either sign the majority of MS kids, or you recruit like those other 4 do. Which one do you think is easier?
Then you have the reality that MSU's and/or Ole Miss' ceiling is not as higher as those other 4 schools. Just a fact.
So, you either sign the majority of MS kids, or you recruit like those other 4 do. Which one do you think is easier?
Exactly. Because State has the best facilities and the best looking co-eds and the grandest football tradition and biggest pocketbooks to buy recruits in all the SEC. State can get whoever they want, whenever they want, so no need trying to keep the best recruits in-state - at MSU. We'll just go and get a lesser athlete from another state who really wants to come to State instead of the Sunbelt conference.**
What the 17 are you talking about? Where did I say get lesser players? I just said I want the best player we can get, regardless of where they come from. Of course it's important to recruit in State. If the best player we can get is in MS, great. But, if the best player we can get is in North Dakota, I don't give a ****, let's sign him.
I don't know about all that, but if there was ever an outlier to American society in general, it would be the folks up at TSUN
The state of South Carolina is actually a really good comparison. It's a larger state, but in terms of the talent it produces, it produces a similar number of NFL draft picks, which you can translate on down to assume it produces similar numbers of decent college talent.
South Carolina and Clemson also have to split that pool.
There isn't enough talent for either of those programs to rely strictly on in-state kids and be able to compete at a high level consistently, so they both go out of state a good bit.
That's the same situation here. You've got the option of recruiting B-list guys (that sometimes turn out to be better than expected), or you can go out of state. Just like the state of South Carolina, you will never produce a consistently high level program by recruiting almost all Mississippi kids, unless you could somehow completely shut the other program out.
And that's not happening for either of our programs, just like it's not happening in South Carolina.
You can settle for the lower ceiling where you may have a shot once every 4-5 years to put together a veteran team that can put together a very good season, but you'll have to take mediocre results a good bit in the in between years if you're going to rely heavily on in-state talent in a state that doesn't produce enough.
If you want to do like South Carolina did (have 3 straight 11 win seasons or something like that), you have to go out of state and steal some top prospects from other places to supplement.
Mullen is a good football coach. That's why he's been delivering decent results with his recruiting strategy, but you're going to get more often than not have teams like your 2011, 2012, and 2013 teams with his recruiting strategy, which isn't bad, but it's an acceptance of a lower ceiling.
South Carolina and Clemson also have to split that pool.
There isn't enough talent for either of those programs to rely strictly on in-state kids and be able to compete at a high level consistently, so they both go out of state a good bit.
That's the same situation here. You've got the option of recruiting B-list guys (that sometimes turn out to be better than expected), or you can go out of state. Just like the state of South Carolina, you will never produce a consistently high level program by recruiting almost all Mississippi kids, unless you could somehow completely shut the other program out.
And that's not happening for either of our programs, just like it's not happening in South Carolina.
You can settle for the lower ceiling where you may have a shot once every 4-5 years to put together a veteran team that can put together a very good season, but you'll have to take mediocre results a good bit in the in between years if you're going to rely heavily on in-state talent in a state that doesn't produce enough.
If you want to do like South Carolina did (have 3 straight 11 win seasons or something like that), you have to go out of state and steal some top prospects from other places to supplement.
Mullen is a good football coach. That's why he's been delivering decent results with his recruiting strategy, but you're going to get more often than not have teams like your 2011, 2012, and 2013 teams with his recruiting strategy, which isn't bad, but it's an acceptance of a lower ceiling.
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