Now that kids are allowed to hire certified agents, is part of the recruitment process going to be meetings with agents and presentations of NIL income expectations?
NIL question regarding the recruiting trail.
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I do not believe so. The basis of the NIL is that the athlete does this on their own and the university cannot promise nor help in securing NIL deals. They can simply help them through any questions pertaining to what they can and cannot do, I think what you're going to find is NIL companies popping up everywhere and kids will sign deals with those companies that will then represent them in all NIL deals and provide valuable information as to what schools have the best track record for players making the most money. It's going to be a weird first year or 2, then will straighten itself out imo.
The athlete is not on their own... they can hire their own agents/representation. Pretty sure that the OP meant that the Coaches will end up having to meet with a recruit's rep(s)... and while not promising NIL deals in the meeting... the discussion of opportunities and how it's worked with previous players will be common.
Coaches are no longer salesman for the program/University... they are middlemen in the purchasing of players.
Coaches are no longer salesman for the program/University... they are middlemen in the purchasing of players.
I don't really care one way or the other about NIL for today's players. It will be interesting to see what kinds of unforeseen consequences pop from it though. With the concerns the Heat have shown about Tyler Herro and his desire to be more of a celebrity than being his best on the court, I'm wondering how kids even younger are going to handle this with no agent. As long as the games and the competitiveness aren't affected by it, it's fine. But when kids start putting their image\brand above the team and it starts affecting that, what happens then?
Precisely. This just switched to pure business at least with 4* and 5* kids. @bthaunert and @420grover, I think you're missing my point. I never said the school was securing or promising NIL deals. However, they better be prepared to both explain and demonstrate what they may expect based on data from UK and other schools as best we can determine it. Kentucky's NIL specifically prohibits the school from preventing players from hiring agents. If that is true, why would any kid listen to a pitch that doesn't include reasonable expectations. This is Pandora's Box problem number 1. To do this correctly, UK will have to hire dozens of new people raising the athletic department budget by millions. @IFerg1969 , they can and certainly will hire agents. The top kids would be foolish not to.
I expect it to become even more complex with agents shopping "unpromised packages" for players at schools. This will quickly get beyond the scope of nearly all players and their families, that's where the agents will come in. Money will quickly become a majority factor in recruiting.
Not sure I was missing the point as I just think it’s going to play out differently. I agree that A lot of players will have representation. I just don’t think those representatives will be accompanying high school kids on recruiting trips. I think they will have enough information to say, “Signing with Kentucky will give you the ability to make around $$$$$ during your time there”, and that will be the information given to them by their reps. The university can also provide information on what past players have made. The top kids will already have deals on the table before they even choose a school.
What’s going to be interesting is the first kid who transfers from a school and publicly says, “I’m leaving XX school because I was told I could make $100,000 on my recruiting trip and that didn’t happen.”
Well, at some point we're going to have to deal with agents in the recruiting process. An ugly proposition.
You are being sarcastic right? That has already been going on for decades with CBB recruiting.
Yep. I'm sure they will all have NIL dedicated people now working with college kids. Smart for the agency to get in early on these kids.
I was more talking about having the agent at a recruiting visit for the purpose of NIL. Personally, I don't think that's going to happen...but I've been wrong before.
This stuff is happening fast and it’s looking like all the major P5 schools are as ready as anyone. I’m not sure how they are going to do it. I’m sure the top 25 kids will have endorsements ready and add some when they sign a loi. I’m sure some brands will follow schools. And I mean only in popularity not a pay for play kind of deal.
Agents are involved in CBB recruiting. They get runners who help them. Often direct them to programs where it's assured they'll sign with the guy once they leave school. There are as many runners/agents at big time AAU events as there are college coaches.
Well, which agents are we interacting with thru runners?
CAA, Klutch, ASM, RocNation, etc........You name an agency or agent they have their hands in CBB recruiting.
Well, you know better than I but it's about to be a direct relationship.
Nothing will have to change at all. The fact the NCAA said you can speak with any agent, just can't take perks is what is laughable--that's been the rule. So then they turn around and selectively punish players/programs when they find out about benefits is a joke.
Then again most don't realize the reason the players want their cut isn't just about their rights, it's the fact players found out the NCAA is not taxed on any of the billions they make as they are seen as a "non profit" organization. They are as big of a cartel as there is. Literally think of all the TV deals and events they rake in $ for length of time and not one cent is taxed. But what they players will make will be. It's a great life lesson for these guys in how $ is great but wealth puts you in position to control things and no matter what they make off NIL, NCAA still wins.
I dont agree with you on this at all. At any rate, top players will hire agents before they even reach college. Dealing with them directly will be part of recruiting.
I'm sure they will abide by that like they have all those years before....
I doubt much changes. An agent is there to negotiate deals, not get involved in every decision. If there’s not a commission to be made, you’re probably not going to see them much. But even if that did change, a direct relationship isn’t necessarily a bad thing and make actually be preferable.
If I’m a coach, I think I’d much rather deal with an agent directly that with a shady AAU intermediary or a runner or a family member with their hand out. And an agent, unlike a runner or AAU coach, is a fiduciary who’s legally obligated to act in the student athlete’s best interest.
I'm repeatedly trying to tell you that it's that way now and has been for a LONG time (specifically in CBB recruiting). Don't ask more or you won't like the answers. lol
I wasn't talking about that, at all. Pay attention to what you wrote. I couldn't care less about liking answers. Am I supposed to cower or something? Don't count on it.
Not at all but you keep saying the schools will have to directly deal/interact with agents and I've repeatedly told you they have already been doing that for decades. This will be nothing new and if anything it'll be an advantage for a program like Kentucky.