A prediction and a confession

irishcat1965

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I really like the makeup of this roster so far. But I have no idea how far they will go in March yet. What I’m really excited about is the number of basketball players and shooters on team instead of a group of ultra athletes who happen to play basketball. There have been way too many players like that on Cal’s teams lately.
 
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bucsrule8872

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The team we have this year is a whole lot better balanced and has more depth. Last year not having a PG (or guards in general) that could get us into the offense and get penetration killed anything we tried to do. UK will be very good this year, 24-25 wins or more is the norm, so that is what I predict and expect. We have not just depth, but veterans who have performed on the big stage before, and most importantly, a PG (actually 2) that can get the offense going. The 21-22 UK team will be very good, now I do not EVER predict banners or making to the final game, as they are very tough to achieve, but a deep tournament run is very likely. There is not one weakness for this years team, and most importantly, we DO NOT have to rely on 4-5 freshmen to carry the load. IF TY TY is not ready day 1, fine, Wheeler is. Same for the other stud freshmen they have veterans ahead of them. This year, actually the freshman are not expected to dominate the starting lineup. If Ware, Toppin, Brooks, and Allen show any improvement at all, this team will be a very tough, we know what we are getting out of Oscar, Kellan Grady, CJ Frederick, and Wheeler. Damian Collins, Ty Ty Washington, and Hopkins do not have to burden the bulk of the load. They can progress like a normal freshman and come on at the end of the year. Get Mintz back he just adds to the amount of riches this team will possess. By the way, I expect Ty Ty to be a special PG along the lines of previous elite guys. Maybe not Fox, Ulis, or Wall good, but very much Hagans, IQ, or Brandon Knight good. We are literally two deep at every position. Why some of you are not excited about this team, I just do not understand. Save the "well we are coming off of a 9-16 year", blah, blah, blah. You know damn well that WILL NOT happen again.
Hope you are right, but I am tempering my expectations. It sounds like we are not that far off from each other. I doubt we will be 9-16 bad, but we probably won’t be Final Four/championship good either. 20 wins is a realistic expectation with the turnover we have from a 9 win season and all the new pieces that have to mesh together. It could take time for them to gel.
 

kyjeff1

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What worries me most about next years team is we will have very experienced players but not much when it comes to KY experience. Their is a huge difference playing at Iowa or Davidson compared to RUPP and 23000. Living in a BBN fish bowl isn’t for everyone.
Simply put, Cal has been playing a system that relies on NBA talent to make plays by out athleting everyone, whether he had the horses or not. It’s a canned system that no longer works and it certainly won't work with this roster.
It's time he focuses on winning college basketball games by using systems and schemes that work in college. He has the roster for it, now he just has to change most of what he has been doing for 15 years. He has to change or this won't work.
 
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kyjeff1

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Why is UK always rebuilding? What’s wrong with maintaining a roster? If you are happy with 20 wins, then you are part of the problem.
Exactly, this coach has been here 12 years now, he is the highest paid coach, has the best facilities and the best fanbase, there should be no rebuilding, especially with the transfer portal.

Calling it a rebuilding year bails Cal out and I refuse to do that. He chose to run a one-and-done system that invites the wrong mindset by the players needed to run it. Some want to win, but when you stand to make millions, all you want to do is stay healthy for the draft. A fat NBA contract trumps college accomplishments every time and Cal knows this.
I really hope he has moved on from this crap and decides to win with traditional college lineups.

That doesn't mean Tubby ball either. Jay Wright has no problem winning with college players and neither did Baylor last year and UVA in '19.
 
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kyjeff1

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LOL! In no way am I happy about a 20 win season. However, given that the team is coming off a 9 win season, I think it is a realistic goal to win 20 this season. Expecting a title, while possible, is not being realistic.

I am not condoning this being the norm, just that we need to scale back our expectations a bit until our revamped coaching staff has a chance to get some better players.

Why do I feel like I am always in the middle between the two extremes?

One side is convinced we are winning #9 this time and going 40-0 in the process. That’s unrealistic most years, but especially this one.

Meanwhile, some think we are doomed from the start and will be lucky to win a game.

The truth, as usual, will likely be somewhere in between. I expect a decent season in a rebuild year, but I am not happy with that. Just being realistic.
The way I look at it, Cal will be starting from a much better position than he has in almost every season he has been here. He doesn't have to teach a bunch of freshmen how to walk and chew gum at the same time.

He has all season to get a bunch of very good veteran players to win college games and make a deep tournament run.

Theoretically this should be one of his best teams, he just has to run a system that caters to college players and not a bunch of isolation plays that require uber athleting guys to beat teams single handedly.

He has a really deep and experienced roster in 21/22, so I see no reason why this team would only reach 20 wins. That would be another failure IMO.
 
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kyjeff1

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I get what you're saying regarding expectations, but IMO with Cal, I just don't think one season translates to the next. Basically I don't think 9 wins last season translates to anything this upcoming season. We pretty much have brand new teams every year. I think he's built a stronger roster and staff than what we've had in a while, and I expect a return to the mean (the mean of the last 5-6 years that is). Last year was an outlier, an aberration.
A+ post, very well said. He has been here 12 years and with the exception of 1 team, he has had to start from scratch every year, the only difference this time is he has very talented and experienced players. Last year has nothing do do with 21/22
 

kybassfan

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Simply put, Cal has been playing a system that relies on NBA talent to make plays by out athleting everyone, whether he had the horses or not. It’s a canned system that no longer works and it certainly won't work with this roster.
It's time he focuses on winning college basketball games by using systems and schemes that work in college. He has the roster for it, now he just has to change most of what he has been doing for 15 years. He has to change or this won't work.
If you suggest it, it’s absolutely the worst option imaginable. No basketball knowledge in the least.

I hope to see Cal return to his roots. Blistering defense. Deliberate, high percentage attacks on the basket. Just enough 3 pt shots to keep things honest. Low turnovers. Oh and blistering defense if I failed to mention it.
 

kyjeff1

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If you suggest it, it’s absolutely the worst option imaginable. No basketball knowledge in the least.

I hope to see Cal return to his roots. Blistering defense. Deliberate, high percentage attacks on the basket. Just enough 3 pt shots to keep things honest. Low turnovers. Oh and blistering defense if I failed to mention it.
Did you have a happy Mother's day Ellen?
 
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Panthur

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I don’t even need to see any particular results this season. I need to see:

—Actual basketball players on the floor
—Some kind of offense that doesn’t shoot itself in the foot. I don’t even care if it’s modern as long as it’s effective
—Some variation in defense so opponents can’t coast on autopilot
—politics out of basketball
—Some signs of building towards championship-level rosters in the future, either authentic top-tier OADs again or guys below that who are actual effective D1 basketball players starting to stick around

I get all of that and I’m happy, record be damned
 

Montana81

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I kind of thought everyone’s expectations going into last season were a little unrealistic. You’re not going to field a top 5 team after replacing 90% of your minutes played from the previous season.

That said I never thought a Calipari coached team could be as bad as we were. I thought we’d end up with somewhere between a 4 and a 7 seed.

With this team...I don’t think expectations to go from 9-16 to a title contender in one off season is reasonable. We have a lot of nice parts. But last season should have tought people that those parts need some time playing together too. You not only need experience but you need guys that have been in the program. We have experience, we don’t have a lot of guys that have been with the program long.

I hope I’m wrong though. Because I do like the overall makeup of the roster. Point guard again appears to be the lone possible weakness.
 
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I don’t even need to see any particular results this season. I need to see:

—Actual basketball players on the floor
—Some kind of offense that doesn’t shoot itself in the foot. I don’t even care if it’s modern as long as it’s effective
—Some variation in defense so opponents can’t coast on autopilot
—politics out of basketball
—Some signs of building towards championship-level rosters in the future, either authentic top-tier OADs again or guys below that who are actual effective D1 basketball players starting to stick around

I get all of that and I’m happy, record be damned
Great post. I’d like it 10 times if I could. I don’t expect to go from 9-16 to a contender in one season. As long as there are signs we’re building towards more long term stability I’m happy. If we lose 6-9 players at the end of the season again...well...then I’ll just be patiently waiting for Calipari to move on.
 

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Going off any season from our past, what evidence do you have that supports us only getting 22 wins? 1.. We have a completely dif team with completely dif coaches from this past season. 2.... We have the most experience on a roster we've ever had. 3... We have 2 of the best pg we could have brought in. 4.... It's not going to be a pandemic riddled season in which a brand new team can't learn each other. We were already at a disadvantage from every other team in the ncaa because no other team was completely new.
So out of everything cal and his coaches have proved to you in 11 seasons, you're gonna forget about and believe this past year is the norm?!?
 

Montana81

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Going off any season from our past, what evidence do you have that supports us only getting 22 wins? 1.. We have a completely dif team with completely dif coaches from this past season. 2.... We have the most experience on a roster we've ever had. 3... We have 2 of the best pg we could have brought in. 4.... It's not going to be a pandemic riddled season in which a brand new team can't learn each other. We were already at a disadvantage from every other team in the ncaa because no other team was completely new.
So out of everything cal and his coaches have proved to you in 11 seasons, you're gonna forget about and believe this past year is the norm?!?
Under Calipari, in 12 seasons we’ve had seasons where we’ve lost 11, 11, 12, and 16 games.

It’s not at all unreasonable or unrealistic to think we could lose double digit games coming off our worst season. Most programs take multiple years to rebound from a season like last.
 
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Bkocats

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All depends on some decisions this coming team and coach/ coaches make....
This
There is reason to be cautiously optimistic
There is bigger reason to not get hopes up too high. It’s going to take more than simply changing some staff and getting players to return; and having more college-experienced players join us
 

Bkocats

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Exactly, this coach has been here 12 years now, he is the highest paid coach, has the best facilities and the best fanbase, there should be no rebuilding, especially with the transfer portal.

Calling it a rebuilding year bails Cal out and I refuse to do that. He chose to run a one-and-done system that invites the wrong mindset by the players needed to run it. Some want to win, but when you stand to make millions, all you want to do is stay healthy for the draft. A fat NBA contract trumps college accomplishments every time and Cal knows this.
I really hope he has moved on from this crap and decides to win with traditional college lineups.

That doesn't mean Tubby ball either. Jay Wright has no problem winning with college players and neither did Baylor last year and UVA in '19.
I’m an attempt to be fair to Cal:
The first few years of the OAD were wildly successful. it was a new concept and he had the corner on it. But it became a self-perpetuating monster that grew out of control. And Cal did not know how to stop it, or was too complacent to do so. I don’t know
2013 was the first red flag.
After 2015 I think Cal became desperate. Some of it was our expectations, tbh. I was here...and reading the comments some made about incoming players needing to know everything right away were crazy. There was no margin for error
All that being said, however, the current state of the program IS on Cal
I won’t have a problem calling this a rebuilding year if We can look back and see that Cal has truly started rebuilding our program in such a way to ensure future success

btw speaking of 2013, someone on another thread (or was it this one?) said that Askew was our worst point guard. I have to disagree; we are forgetting Ryan Harrrow. Askew at least showed up
 

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Under Calipari, in 12 seasons we’ve had seasons where we’ve lost 11, 11, 12, and 16 games.

It’s not at all unreasonable or unrealistic to think we could lose double digit games coming off our worst season. Most programs take multiple years to rebound from a season like last.
Most programs aren't uk and cal
Most programs you are referring to don't have the firepower to go out and get whoever they want.
 

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Under Calipari, in 12 seasons we’ve had seasons where we’ve lost 11, 11, 12, and 16 games.

It’s not at all unreasonable or unrealistic to think we could lose double digit games coming off our worst season. Most programs take multiple years to rebound from a season like last.
2011 we lost 9 and went to the final 4. Lost 11 and went to the title game. Reg season losses meant nothing then and still don't. That being said, if our fans can't look at our incoming roster and know the difference from last year, that's on them. By mid December nobody in the country will want to face UK.
 

kyjeff1

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I’m an attempt to be fair to Cal:
The first few years of the OAD were wildly successful. it was a new concept and he had the corner on it. But it became a self-perpetuating monster that grew out of control. And Cal did not know how to stop it, or was too complacent to do so. I don’t know
2013 was the first red flag.
After 2015 I think Cal became desperate. Some of it was our expectations, tbh. I was here...and reading the comments some made about incoming players needing to know everything right away were crazy. There was no margin for error
All that being said, however, the current state of the program IS on Cal
I won’t have a problem calling this a rebuilding year if We can look back and see that Cal has truly started rebuilding our program in such a way to ensure future success

btw speaking of 2013, someone on another thread (or was it this one?) said that Askew was our worst point guard. I have to disagree; we are forgetting Ryan Harrrow. Askew at least showed up
Yeah, Harrow quit, Askew at least gave 100% every time he stepped on the court.

The thing about 21/22 is, we're still going to lose most of the players after the season, so we're going to have another new team in 22/23. so it's really tough for me to buy in on a rebuild year and I don't get the feeling Cal is in on the idea of a rebuild year either.

If Cal was bringing in a bunch of 3 and 4* kids that were going to be here for 4 years, a rebuild is the way to go, it would stink if Cal went that way, I like what he's doing right now and it tells me he's looking to win right now.

Rebuilding with 1 year transfers just makes no sense and there's no reason for a rebuild when the players are as good as they are and the team is as deep as it is.

Cal has flipped the roster every year he has been here, with the exception of 2014/15. He has taken freshmen and won big with them, so I have to believe he could do really good things with this roster (which is still being added to), but, that is going to require him to change his offense and parts of the defense. He can't just run strictly isolation, he’s going to have to run pick-n-roll, high screens, back cuts and lots of outside shooting.

After 20/21, I believe he's ready to make those changes. If he doesn't and we still lose most of the team after another 10 loss season, well, he'll have to deal with the fallout.

It’s great to see you posting here again, I really value your takes.
 

kyjeff1

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Everyone that knows more basketball than you is not named Ellen little Jeffy. I hoped you could tell men from women at this point.
I wish you did post some sort of basketball knowledge Bass, but the truth is, you never do, all you do is attack people that are critical of Cal.

You talk about others not having basketball knowledge, but all you are is a hall monitor, why don't you show us some of that knowledge you claim to have.

I call you "Ellen" because all you do is defend Cal, like he is your husband. If you stopped policing the board, you wouldn't get crap from so many here.
 
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Yeah, Harrow quit, Askew at least gave 100% every time he stepped on the court.

The thing about 21/22 is, we're still going to lose most of the players after the season, so we're going to have another new team in 22/23. so it's really tough for me to buy in on a rebuild year and I don't get the feeling Cal is in on the idea of a rebuild year either.

If Cal was bringing in a bunch of 3 and 4* kids that were going to be here for 4 years, a rebuild is the way to go, it would stink if Cal went that way, I like what he's doing right now and it tells me he's looking to win right now.

Rebuilding with 1 year transfers just makes no sense and there's no reason for a rebuild when the players are as good as they are and the team is as deep as it is.

Cal has flipped the roster every year he has been here, with the exception of 2014/15. He has taken freshmen and won big with them, so I have to believe he could do really good things with this roster (which is still being added to), but, that is going to require him to change his offense and parts of the defense. He can't just run strictly isolation, he’s going to have to run pick-n-roll, high screens, back cuts and lots of outside shooting.

After 20/21, I believe he's ready to make those changes. If he doesn't and we still lose most of the team after another 10 loss season, well, he'll have to deal with the fallout.

It’s great to see you posting here again, I really value your takes.
Very good points. And I agree
I did not state what I meant well: when I said “rebuilding” I meant change of philosophy..how he coaches and how he retains and develops the freshmen/sophomores.
The transfers are necessary right now to have a team that wins games while doing the above.

and thank you. I just try to stay realistic is all.
 
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I wish you did post some sort of basketball knowledge Bass, but the truth is, you never do, all you do is attack people that are critical of Cal.

You talk about others not having basketball knowledge, but all you are is a hall monitor, why don't you show us some of that knowledge you claim to have.

I call you "Ellen" because all you do is defend Cal, like he is your husband. If you stopped policing the board, you wouldn't get crap from so many here.
Like I said. Can’t tell the difference between men and women. Doesn’t know basketball. That’s Jeffy. Spews tripe. Whines if he’s not coddled.
 
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kyjeff1

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Very good points. And I agree
I did not state what I meant well: when I said “rebuilding” I meant change of philosophy..how he coaches and how he retains and develops the freshmen/sophomores.
The transfers are necessary right now to have a team that wins games while doing the above.

and thank you. I just try to stay realistic is all.
We are definitely on the same page. There is so much that has to change. His offensive philosophy is #1, but he also needs to play the players that give UK the best chance to win the game, not the guys who need to develop for the next level right now. That problem was glaringly obvious last season and was such a bad look for Cal.
 
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Montana81

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2011 we lost 9 and went to the final 4. Lost 11 and went to the title game. Reg season losses meant nothing then and still don't. That being said, if our fans can't look at our incoming roster and know the difference from last year, that's on them. By mid December nobody in the country will want to face UK.
If you have the mentality that regular season losses don’t mean anything you’re stacking the deck against yourself. 2011 and 2014 are the exception not the rule. They’re falling further and further into the rear view as well. And even back then they were still the exception. Nearly 70% of title winners since the field expanded to 64 teams have been 1 seeds.

A 1 seed should be the goal for the regular season every year. No it’s not going to happen every year. But 0 for 6 also shouldn’t happen either.

We won’t be a current top 5 program anymore as long as he continues to try and put together a team that way. He needs to find talented kids that are also willing to stick around longer than 1 or 2 seasons.
 
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I’m an attempt to be fair to Cal:
The first few years of the OAD were wildly successful. it was a new concept and he had the corner on it. But it became a self-perpetuating monster that grew out of control. And Cal did not know how to stop it, or was too complacent to do so. I don’t know
2013 was the first red flag.
After 2015 I think Cal became desperate. Some of it was our expectations, tbh. I was here...and reading the comments some made about incoming players needing to know everything right away were crazy. There was no margin for error
All that being said, however, the current state of the program IS on Cal
I won’t have a problem calling this a rebuilding year if We can look back and see that Cal has truly started rebuilding our program in such a way to ensure future success

btw speaking of 2013, someone on another thread (or was it this one?) said that Askew was our worst point guard. I have to disagree; we are forgetting Ryan Harrrow. Askew at least showed up
the sad part is that Harrow was far more talented, he was just not right between the ears

the 2012 class showed that every class is not the same
minus Noel there was not a sure fire NBA player in the class

Cal followed the next year up with a huge recruiting class
there was a lot of talent in that class

after 2015 top talent started scattering out, not to mention Duke started getting some of the players we were getting

i agree with everyone that Cal needs a player base
the biggest problem is, will they transfer
record number of transfers this year and going forward it is not going to slow down with the new rules


GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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If you have the mentality that regular season losses don’t mean anything you’re stacking the deck against yourself. 2011 and 2014 are the exception not the rule. They’re falling further and further into the rear view as well. And even back then they were still the exception. Nearly 70% of title winners since the field expanded to 64 teams have been 1 seeds.

A 1 seed should be the goal for the regular season every year. No it’s not going to happen every year. But 0 for 6 also shouldn’t happen either.

We won’t be a current top 5 program anymore as long as he continues to try and put together a team that way. He needs to find talented kids that are also willing to stick around longer than 1 or 2 seasons.
You are also referring to a game that doesn't resemble today's game when you refer to "since the field expanded".
I know it's not what you want, or alot of our fans want, but getting better by January is all that needs to happen.
I'm not saying I prefer this, but he's proven as long as you have the talent to learn,you can go deep in the tournament.
 

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If you have the mentality that regular season losses don’t mean anything you’re stacking the deck against yourself. 2011 and 2014 are the exception not the rule. They’re falling further and further into the rear view as well. And even back then they were still the exception. Nearly 70% of title winners since the field expanded to 64 teams have been 1 seeds.

A 1 seed should be the goal for the regular season every year. No it’s not going to happen every year. But 0 for 6 also shouldn’t happen either.

We won’t be a current top 5 program anymore as long as he continues to try and put together a team that way. He needs to find talented kids that are also willing to stick around longer than 1 or 2 seasons.
Top talent doesn't stick around
Anywhere
Unless they are a failure and don't have a choice
 

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Top talent doesn't stick around
Anywhere
Unless they are a failure and don't have a choice
Talented and top talent are two different things. Top talent doesn’t stick around. I agree. But plenty of kids that are talented enough to become great college basketball players do.
 
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Top talent doesn't stick around
Anywhere
Unless they are a failure and don't have a choice
The problem with our current culture is that if they’re NOT an immediate success, then they are a failure. Nevermind that, most of the time, even the most talented need development and time to grow
 

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The problem with our current culture is that if they’re NOT an immediate success, then they are a failure. Nevermind that, most of the time, even the most talented need development and time to grow
I understand that I'm just not sure it could change at uk. It's not uk or the coaches that view them as a failure. It's their peers, and to a degree the fans. All I've heard is how bad askew was, Boston was. We don't want them returning.... Automatically assuming their 2nd season will be exactly like the first. A finished product after one bad season. The very next thread you talk about how you want it to be like the old days and kids stay lol. Some will laugh at that, but that's because they don't want to take responsibility, and they're spoiled from our one and done success
 

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Right now, Cal is at a crossroads. I have confidence that he will come through this a better coach and UK will be a better program, but it will take time. This year will tell us a lot about the program. Is Cal willing to make further changes in his system? We shall see.
 

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If you suggest it, it’s absolutely the worst option imaginable. No basketball knowledge in the least.

I hope to see Cal return to his roots. Blistering defense. Deliberate, high percentage attacks on the basket. Just enough 3 pt shots to keep things honest. Low turnovers. Oh and blistering defense if I failed to mention it.
Maybe I'm telling my age but I enjoy it more when the Cats hold a team to 40 points than when we score 100.
Watching your team smother another is fun!

smother another; I kill myself
 
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I understand that I'm just not sure it could change at uk. It's not uk or the coaches that view them as a failure. It's their peers, and to a degree the fans. All I've heard is how bad askew was, Boston was. We don't want them returning.... Automatically assuming their 2nd season will be exactly like the first. A finished product after one bad season. The very next thread you talk about how you want it to be like the old days and kids stay lol. Some will laugh at that, but that's because they don't want to take responsibility, and they're spoiled from our one and done success
You may be right.
But this IS the core that needs to change
If Cal does his part...quit showcasing what deems is NBA talent, play the players that actually do the work, actually advise against making the jump unless sure fire lottery (I really can’t fault anyone leaving early for that reason) and go ahead and get a few that ARE 3-4 years for continuity of nothing else
Then we as fans need to do ours; quit the senseless bashing of players, recognize that some need a longer time than others to get it, and learn some patience

but Cal has to change the culture; swallow his ego and get back to basics. He created a monster, now he has to tame it or destroy it
 
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Maybe I'm telling my age but I enjoy it more when the Cats hold a team to 40 points than when we score 100.
Watching your team smother another is fun!

smother another; I kill myself
Definitely nice to watch the team suck the air out of the gym. The basketball skill needed to run down the floor and jack threes is minimal. Watching a good team defense is a thing of beauty.