Thinking about Collins leaving - If I was in his shoes and I think Dan is leaving for an higher prestige job like Michigan, I stick around and go with him. Better upside I would think in that you don't have to adapt to a new coach, etc. On the other hand, if I'm confident that Dan is staying put, then all bets are off and I'm working on my career by going to a higher prestige job and getting my name in the papers as a hot item etc.
Did Collins leave because he knew Dan wouldn't?
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No. Wont tell u how i know. But he left because he knew this year was a shot at a big move. If we win one more he would be in the running for a head coach position.
I jnew he was gone before the season started. He was devastated when his stock dropped after the bama and om losses. Didnt think he would get a decent offer. Jumped at the first decent one he got.
I jnew he was gone before the season started. He was devastated when his stock dropped after the bama and om losses. Didnt think he would get a decent offer. Jumped at the first decent one he got.
Is part of the reason Dan is staying because he`s acquired a bad reputation for not being able to keep good assistants ?
What "good" assistants are we referring to here? The Manny Diaz project and the 7 NFL players he inhereted? Brian Wilson? Torbush? Mirando? Let's be honest here, Collins brought fire and passion to the job every day, but his defensive philosophy wasn't exactly burning up the field. Our D Line was the bright spot of our defense in both years under Collins, only thing is, Turner actually runs that bunch. Was Collins a young, up and coming assistant? Sure. But the verdict is still out on whether he is good or not. Assistant coaches are a dime a dozen, there's always someone younger, with more energy, willing to take chances and put it all on the line. One common theme is that all of these guys were seen as "good" assistants while under Mullen and most flopped afterwards. From everything I've heard, Mullen can be difficult to work for and extremely demanding of his staff. In other words, he is going to get the most out of you, similar to his philosophy with his players. Perhaps Mullen is the cog that keeps that assistant machine churning so flawlessly?
You can talk about "perception", but let me tell you about reality...money talks. Would you rather coach at MSU for $X or coach at UF/UT/AU for $X+50%? Don't you think the pay structure for keeping coaches at smaller schools is backwards? OM got it right. They overpaid Freeze, but they had to. Why in the hell would any coach want to work at a less prestigious university for less money and less exposure?
This has nothing to do about a "Dan's reputation". The reality is that MSU refuses to pay a premium to keep coaches. SS brags about spending money wisely and not overpaying. Well guess what, other ADs are sniping our coaches because of your penny pinchin' ***. We can sit here and brag about SEC Network money and recent donors. But 17 me running, paying Collins/Diaz/Whoever another $200-400K per year is NOT a big deal in the grand scheme of things. And we still refuse to do it.
This has nothing to do about a "Dan's reputation". The reality is that MSU refuses to pay a premium to keep coaches. SS brags about spending money wisely and not overpaying. Well guess what, other ADs are sniping our coaches because of your penny pinchin' ***. We can sit here and brag about SEC Network money and recent donors. But 17 me running, paying Collins/Diaz/Whoever another $200-400K per year is NOT a big deal in the grand scheme of things. And we still refuse to do it.
One of Mullen's strengths so far has been his ability to identify and select good coaches, whether they stay or not. He deserves a lot of credit for it as well. I still don't know if money is the reason some of them decide to leave but it may be. Starkville for the long term is not a destination for some coaches and their family, whether some of us want to admit it or not.
Got a little news for you. $$$ can`t buy the passion it takes to coach successfully at a high level if said coach is working for somebody he can never please and considers a total jerk. That`s just life. People make lateral moves or even take pay cuts every minute of every day to escape bad managers.
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We pushed Torbush and Wilson out. We let Koening walk if we didnt' encourage him to look. We wisely didn't even try to match Texas for Diaz. We lost Brewer to FSU. We lost Collins to Florida.
I don't doubt Mullen is hard to work for, and maybe it will cost us down the road, but Brewer doesn't seem to dislike Mullen and although we're getting closer, UF is still one of those jobs where you make a 'lateral' move for the same position.
That's part of my point. We have to pay a premium on top of market value to keep people around. I'm not saying Mullen isn't hard to work for. I know for a fact he is. I'm just saying every time someone leaves this "Mullen is an *******" propaganda surfaces. There seems to be a lot of the staff that enjoys working with him.
Maybe he left because *** is an ******* who constantly throws his coaches under the bus, yet he never really blames himself for anything. That's how everyone outside the State bubble sees is.
Flame away because I'm an OM fan, but seriously step away and look at this objectively for 2 minutes. Stay can offer the same amount of money, and he probably has more job security here than at UF where if McIlwain doesn't win, they're both gone.
Flame away because I'm an OM fan, but seriously step away and look at this objectively for 2 minutes. Stay can offer the same amount of money, and he probably has more job security here than at UF where if McIlwain doesn't win, they're both gone.
That's a bit strong to say that he "constantly" throws his coaches under the bus. You're probably referring to the aftermath of the OM game this year which is hardly proof of your statement. He also included himself in that tirade. It's also doubtful that "everyone" outside the State fan base sees it that way. Maybe you need to be objective. Oh that's right, you're and OM fan.
Really??? Go leave the ******** bubble known as Jackson most everyone on here lives in and can't leave and you'll learn something.
In Birmingham, I can tell you Dan's rep definitely does not include any habits of throwing people under the bus. He gets plenty of criticism from the media over here for failing to win the really big games (last year it was failing to beat top tier teams), but he's certainly not viewed as someone that hangs his staff out to dry.
Hell he blamed himself for the play calling in the egg bowl
and tell us about coaches throwing their QB under the bus when things don't go their way
and tell us about coaches throwing their QB under the bus when things don't go their way
Let's be honest. We aren't as arrogant as Ole Miss fans. We know no one outside of the state of Mississippi has any clue or gives a flying 17 about us!
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This article about LSU being a better job than Michigan applies to Mississippi State as well (link)
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...-miles-michigan-lsu-football-coach-recruiting
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...-miles-michigan-lsu-football-coach-recruiting
No that's how everyone in the Mississippi bubble sees it.I've literally only see Mississippi 17ers crow that party line, but hey I'll give yall credit, when you have a party line to parrot you all 17ing parrot it. You do realize Collins was coaching on the Bama squad when McElwain was there right?....
Wow. I had no idea all us State fans only exist in Jackson. Thanks for bringing your world view to this bunch of inbred hicks.
Oh yeah, go have sex with yourself.
Really, in Gulf Breeze FL, every knowledgable fan I know, be it Bama, FSU, AU, whatever have all expressed how much they like Mullen and want him to leave the Southeast because of his success at State, Also how he seems to say exactly what he feels. Most of them were rooting for us against Ole Miss and they all talked about how Freeze seems disingenuous and threw his QB under the bus. Also I guess you missed the press conference after the Bama game where Mullen took most of the blame for playcalling.
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