Programs With Most NCAAT Wins 2010-21
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Don't see Alabama, Ark, or Texas Tech on that list. Three blue bloods missing is amazing. Oats, Musselman, and Beard expoased at failures.
If you look real close, you can see 3 other schools have won 2 titles a piece in that time frame, while the gold standard only won one.
Can you see that? Don't have to squint.
Spoken like IU fans in the 90’s trying to convince others that Bobby Knight will turn things around and get more final fours
Not talking seed although that’s relative. Talking about Vegas on game day. 2014 clearly the 8 seed was made for TV. Cats should have been seeded higher than UConn.
31 wins. 5 more than anyone else. FARR CAL!!!!
Per fanbase capita BBN has the most dopes of any other program. Like this win total it's not even close. Hey look, another thing we are #1 in. Add it to the list.
But but but Wisconsin. 2015. roflmmfao
Per fanbase capita BBN has the most dopes of any other program. Like this win total it's not even close. Hey look, another thing we are #1 in. Add it to the list.
But but but Wisconsin. 2015. roflmmfao
The higher just on that point would be the favorite. UK is rarely an underdog in games, so I doubt they were in these games.
Well, we will all get to see if the Cal that did that still exists. Lots of talking by Cal. Talk is cheap.
The only "change" I see right now is we're divesting of OAD freshman in favor of OAD transfers.
We'll see how much that improves team maturity and results in better W/L ratio & success in tournament play.
I'm still a fan of growing a few players inside our program over 3-4 years.
Maybe there is a balance to be struck for a combination of OAD freshman, OAD transfers plus multi-year continuity players.
GBB!
We'll see how much that improves team maturity and results in better W/L ratio & success in tournament play.
I'm still a fan of growing a few players inside our program over 3-4 years.
Maybe there is a balance to be struck for a combination of OAD freshman, OAD transfers plus multi-year continuity players.
GBB!
I hope he can right the ship as well. I think he can, but what I think doesn't matter much. He's being given the opportunity to right the ship because he's earned that chance. If he does right the ship, I'm hoping the ones who are wanting him to be fired today (at least the reasonable ones) will support him and the team.
There is no question the game is experiencing a paradigm shift right now. It actually began at least 2 years ago, I'd say. With high school players being able to go straight to the league, there is no way to avoid it. The immediate impact, dominant freshmen like Anthony Davis and even Karl Towns, are becoming a rare thing. Cal has said he sees this. Multi-year players will now be the norm and one and done a rarity. Guys coming in need to be prepared to stay 2 seasons, in my opinion, at the least. They need to know they're not failures for staying at UK longer than 1 season and they also need to know that guys in the next recruiting class won't necessarily take their minutes if they keep working and earn their time. Everyone should be on equal footing, depending on skill and hard work, not based on stars by their names. I hope this is where we're headed.
I think the majority of those who want Cal fired want it for reasons that have zero to do with basketball.
Most who are unhappy don't want him fired, they want him to change his coaching methods.
Sure seems last year has been brushed away like it never happened, but years ago are treated as if they just happened.
I think most of us recognize that run from 2010-2015 was epic. I would have fought anyone that tried to tell me Calipari wasn't the top coach in the sport, even in 2015 after the Wisconsin loss. So with that amazing run, I'm in no way surprised that we still lead this statistic taken out over the past 11 years. But we lead it because of that first 5 years without question.
The question most of us have is, is that Cal gone? Can we get back to that? That's still to be determined.
I think there are some like that, for sure. They've wanted him gone practically since the day he became the head coach. They were against his hire to begin with.
But there is no question, more have joined the chorus against the man. I think the one and done aspect is a big reason, the NBA as a goal for players is a big issue, and mainly just a terrible season like the one we just experienced has soured many and they're just mad.
We can all twist numbers to make them fit any agenda. It’s done everyday in all facets of business, politics and life. I read it in several posts in this thread. But but but.......
The takeaway from the OP in my opinion is that relatively large time period, including our worst season ever and a NIT appearance, Kentucky still reigns supreme on tournament record. So, with that in mind, we can be pissed about this season and move forward with the hope that next season we will be back on track adding to those numbers.
The takeaway from the OP in my opinion is that relatively large time period, including our worst season ever and a NIT appearance, Kentucky still reigns supreme on tournament record. So, with that in mind, we can be pissed about this season and move forward with the hope that next season we will be back on track adding to those numbers.
BBN is upset. As well they should be after a 9-16 year. That would have been true in 1950, 1990, today - will be true (hopefully) in 20 or 30 years. No getting around that. Still, this board does not present an accurate picture of BBN relative to Cal. I've told this story before: late in Tubby's tenure, when his approval rating on this board was very very low, the Courier Journal conducted a poll, and found that Tubby's approval statewide was above 90%. What's happened over time is the malcontents - the ones who just don't like Calipari - have taken over. How many of the old names don't even show up anymore? At some point, you say to yourself - why? Why am I spending time on this board, arguing with strangers, about something like this? I'm not going to be convinced by them, I'm not going to convince them, so why?
In the end, 4 groups have merged:
1. as you say, some never liked Cal. Relatively small group IMO
2. very upset about 9-16 (just about everyone)
3. done with One and Done (large group)
4. folks pissed off over the anthem kneeling (big, bigger than you think, it's a red state)
To me, 1 is immaterial. 3 and 4 are what makes folks so mad - and that anger then fuels criticism about everything. I mean, Calipari has more NCAAT wins than anyone, was picked Coach of the Decade a mere season ago - but if you defend him in any way, you're a Cal worshipper or nut dangler. It's like we're talking about Billy Clyde or someone - you can't defend a HoF coach or else you have some defect? It's crazy.
You're right but it can also make a lot of sense. If you're bouncing around year over year to fit an agenda, maybe. Like if I was a Presidents Club Award winning sales rep and over the course of 2010-2021 I had won multiple sales awards and they were, say 2010, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2020, my performance reviews with my manager would go very well as I had demonstrated repeatable success over the years and ultimately was very, very consistent in my success.
Now if my manager and I sat down and I had the same amount of accolades and success but it was all entirely front loaded, I can assure you the conversation would look different. The question would be, what has changed, and what are you going to do to fix it?
So you have to hope Calipari’s manager had that conversation and has some influence. Ha
On the other hand, self-starters and self-motivators don’t need the manager much, if at all. They influence their own outcomes regardless of outside influences. That’s my hope in this case.
I'm not necessarily Cal NEEDS his manager to have this conversation to change anything.
My point is more to the people that are saying "look at the results as a whole and ignore trends", no one in any business would do that. Or shouldn't
Nope....but they do count. Cal does alot of talking about Gold standard and eating first. HE does it. He's the one who brought up catching and passing UCLA. HE did.
Welp, in his time here. Nova. UCONN, and dook have gained on UK in titles. Sorry facts bother you.
Tournament Wins Since 2016:
1. Few 17
2. Wright 16
3. Williams 14
4. Self 12
5. Altman 11
6. Beard 10
6. Bennett 10
8. Calipari 9
8. Krzyzewski 9
10. Beilein 8
10. Boeheim 8
10. Drew 8
10. Hamilton 8
The list I'm looking at has 82 names with at least 1 NCAA tournament win (and, obviously, a bunch more with 0). So, on the one hand, Calipari is in the top 10 during what is obviously a downward trend. I suspect if we looked at great coaches over time, they all have ebbs and flows, and being in the top 10 during a valley, well, that says something positive. On the other hand, K and Cal have recruited better than anyone during this time. Surely the 2 of them can see the One and Done model doesn't really work - if the goal is to get to final fours and win titles. If you have a really great class, and you are the only school playing the OAD game, that will work out well (if you have a great coach that can handle it). But if you're talking about a not great class of kids, or especially if you now have 2 schools playing the game and the G League taking it's share of kids to boot......it won't work. Not consistently anyway. I am hoping Calipari can remake himself in this regard at the young age of 62. Will not be an easy thing to do.
1. Few 17
2. Wright 16
3. Williams 14
4. Self 12
5. Altman 11
6. Beard 10
6. Bennett 10
8. Calipari 9
8. Krzyzewski 9
10. Beilein 8
10. Boeheim 8
10. Drew 8
10. Hamilton 8
The list I'm looking at has 82 names with at least 1 NCAA tournament win (and, obviously, a bunch more with 0). So, on the one hand, Calipari is in the top 10 during what is obviously a downward trend. I suspect if we looked at great coaches over time, they all have ebbs and flows, and being in the top 10 during a valley, well, that says something positive. On the other hand, K and Cal have recruited better than anyone during this time. Surely the 2 of them can see the One and Done model doesn't really work - if the goal is to get to final fours and win titles. If you have a really great class, and you are the only school playing the OAD game, that will work out well (if you have a great coach that can handle it). But if you're talking about a not great class of kids, or especially if you now have 2 schools playing the game and the G League taking it's share of kids to boot......it won't work. Not consistently anyway. I am hoping Calipari can remake himself in this regard at the young age of 62. Will not be an easy thing to do.
^^^One more thing about that list of wins since 2016. Cal has recruited well since 2016 (based only on rankings), but K has nearly dominated. Maybe not to the extent Calipari did from 2010-15, but pretty close. To see him with only 9 wins during that time is pretty amazing. Think of the names: Kennard, Ingram, Tatum, Giles, Bagley, Trent, Duval, Carter, Reddish, Barrett, Zion, Hurt, Carey, Johnson. When Cal was dominating that way, he won 23 NCAA games in 5 years. At this point, K is probably the greatest coach of all time. But with a mere 9 wins in that time period, that's pretty disappointing.
So, in other words, fire him. Seems reasonable.
In just the last 5 terrible (you'd think that by some around here) seasons, we've lost in the EE to the eventual champs in overtime in what many refer to as the Higgins Game.
In 2019, we end up in the Elite Eight, again, but this time have to face a VERY good conference opponent for the 3rd time in less than a month.
Last year we ended the season 17-3, won the SEC by 3 games and the season was stopped. No reason to think another EE or further appearance was a good possibility.
0-0 from 2020-2021
people can pick any time period to fit their cause.
Love your avatar. One of my favorite series of all time.
He has shown the ability to be very successful. Maybe he can get back there. It requires change. You give him a chance to change.
I completely agree with that.
Maybe i stretched you statement of "In 2022 it doesn't. Coming off a 9 and 16 year" further than you intended.
I was just trying to say those years mean less now than they did in 2016. Those are still great accomplishments but there needs to be a commitment to get back to that.