This is the real issue- It Can Be Fixed

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Not buying that, because every team is in the same boat, if Cal wasn't so stubborn at running is antiquated crappy offense and looked at his talent and then came up with some schemes to get the ball moving and get players into scoring position this team may have done okay not great but okay, but he keeps ramming that square peg into a round hole and it is not going to work for this team. He has had over half a season and what changes has he actually made, none, we are still running the same crap from day one, it did not work then and why should it work now. You know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting it to somehow change the next time.

I agree. I don't know what the exact change needs to be. If it's in how we talk to the guys when they're here, how we talk to guys when we recruit them, or if it's in how we choose players (like not taking guys who are clearly not going to reach their potential in 1 or 2 years but are still deadset on going pro asap - those guys are detrimental to the program). Guys who come here and ball are going to go pro, that's just reality. Get a guy like Herro that nobody thinks is 1 and done and he performs at the level he did, yeah dude's gonna go. But we need to stop losing guys like Briscoe, Hagans, EJ, Baker, Juzang.
 
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SmyrnaCatFan

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Just look at returned minutes and scoring in Cal era. We returned nothing from last year, even less than 2012-13. We absolutely have to bring people back. It is 100% on Cal to fix this.

I was naive enough to think Boston and Clarke were going to be so good that we could overcome it this year...but they weren't. I hope I am not being naive again, but the ball is in Cals court. No transfers and talk Clarke/Mintz into coming back, our returning scoring % will be in 40s or 50s.


This year: 7.6% of minutes played and 6.0% of scoring return from 2019-20 roster

19-20: 36.8% of minutes played and 27.2% of scoring return from 2018-19 roster

18-19: 32.7% of minutes played and 31.9% of scoring return from 2017-18 roster

17-18: 11.6% of minutes played and 7.4% of scoring return from 2016-17 roster

16-17: 30.9% of minutes played and 24.2% of scoring return from 2015-16 roster

15-16: 21.9% of minutes played and 14.1% of scoring return from 2014-15 roster

14-15: 64.6% of minutes played and 59.3% of scoring return from 2013-14 roster

13-14: 32.3% of minutes played and 31.2% of scoring return from 2012-13 roster

12-13: 7.1% of minutes played and 6.7% of scoring return from 2011-12 roster

11-12: 49.5% of minutes played and 54.2% of scoring return from 2010-11 roster

10-11: 18.4% of minutes played and 13.4% of scoring return from 2009-10 roster

09-10: 62.4% of minutes played and 56.7% of scoring return from 2008-09 roster

30-some years ago the private university where I was teaching had a retention problem among freshmen from fall to spring semesters. We as a faculty made a concerted effort to help freshmen find a reason to stay. Our rationale was that it is easier and more financially viable to recruit the students you already have. This is where a focus needs to be without neglecting new player recruitment. Even a 50% retention rate would be better than what we have experienced over the last few years.
 

HagginHall1999

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Have to give you credit for trying hard.

This is as simple as looking at trends. This board is big into "trending down" well the proof is in the pudding. If Cal returns a good portion of his scoring we usually have great seasons.
 
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anon_013cn8yrfncx2

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Boston, as overhyped as he was, is the team’s leading scorer. That’s what’s wrong.
 
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RKulmer

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OP- don’t you think Cal needs to maybe run an offense? At all? What type of offense is he running this year? What type of offense did he run the last few seasons?

Cal doesn’t really coach- he admitted in his call in show last night. “Go make a play”

But Pat Riley said players from UK are the most prepared for the NBA.
 
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HagginHall1999

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If we return-

Mintz, Brooks, Allen, Askew, Ware, Toppin, Fletcher it equates to 51% of our scoring since 2014-2015 and 4th most in Cal era.
 

RunninRichie

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Because it's fun! I enjoy bringing facts and watching you all meltdown over it, and the illogical arguments you all will formulate and perpetuate to justify you premise are entertaining and comical relief.

To be honest, you all are so bad with computers and IT related concepts that I don't even need a VPN. Lol, @MbergCat was going to have me located using my screen name a few weeks ago. Still waiting to see how he's going to pull that one off. Dude has better odds of regrowing his testicles.

And lastly, I just enjoy the living hell out of talking down to you all and degrading you like the poorly educated, inept, inbred and worthless garbage you Kentuckians are. It's the least I can do!
you were flexing how you were using a VPN and/or your neighbors wifi connection. You think you’re unfindable? LOL
 

cats#1again

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It is a start. There are other issues. Preparing for every team as though we're playing 1993 Temple is part of it. Cal loves rock fights. Slowing down games. The offense is a bunch of dudes taking everybody off the dribble themselves. No defensive change-ups. Over relying on the star system. Giving time to future NBA draft picks with low skill over higher skilled college players. I'm sure people can list a thousand more things.
If you don't have a pg you had better slow it down. Or get boat raced every game
 

That's Nice

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The real issue is our fanbase. Particularly the ones with their political rage they want to inject into everything. It needs to be gutted out. Our players are leaving Lexington despising the fanbase. The coaches and administrators are embarrassed by those same fans and their behavior and are tired of having to excuse them to players, recruits and their families. Good news is the average lifespan in KY isn't that great comparatively, and KY also has a poor healthcare, high obesity rates and high cancer rates. And judging by the amount of prayer request threads and obituary threads posted here daily and weekly, hopefully some of you are meeting that end quickly and won't be around much longer to cause the problems.

What an absolute embarrassment some of you people have become for Rupp, Hall, Kightley and every other reputable person affiliated with UK basketball. They would be ashamed of you!

BS.
 
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RunninRichie

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I wasn't flexing that. I was saying it could be possible and a detriment to identification. You don’t comprehend well, huh?

Do I think I am unidentifiable? Not at all! I think people with a braincell, IT experience and some patience could find me quite easily. I literally do not make it difficult. However, I don't think anyone on here as 1 of those abilities, let alone all 3.
Lead, every VPN provider in the world will respond to a request to turn over their logs about a specified user. I really hope you arent using a free VPN as they typically only exist to harvest browsing information and other little goodies.
 
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Boston, as overhyped as he was, is the team’s leading scorer. That’s what’s wrong.

I looked up some stats on sports reference yesterday:

Out of all players who have attempted 200 shots in division 1, Boston is 171st out of 177 in FG%.

Among players with 10 minutes per game and at least 5 games played, Brandon Boston is #2641 out of 3143 in FG%
 

Cawood86_rivals

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When you show up with a documentary crew, you ain't coming back for a 2nd year. I still cannot believe Cal allowed this to happen.
The issue is what is has been for years. When players return who were big contributors the year before, it usually leads to a good or great year.
The problem is, Cal has fermented a culture of come here and the NBA is what you'll get and get it faster than anywhere else. Kids get questioned on why they are returning. Think about that. Why are you still here?
Until Cal stops that mentality, UK will continues on it's current path.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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100% agree. People want their cake and eat it too. "Cal needs to recruit guys that will stay longer than one year!" Well, we got those guys! This off-season is the most important in Cal's tenure. If we have multiple transfers, then I'm on-board with a potential change because the cycle just continues. BUT this could easily be the turning point for the next 3-4 seasons, in terms of constantly returning players. Askew, Allen, Toppin, and Ware should be locks to return. Brooks SHOULD return. That alone would be a nice core. I keep having this pipe dream of Jackson coming back and vaulting himself into a top 5 pick. If those 6 came back, I think we'd all look back at this year and be thankful. But a lot of big IFs need to play out the right way.
No. Nothing wrong with having one or two OAD players. The point is, you can't have 6-8 every year and think you're going to have cohesion on the team.

Hagans, EJ, and others left because of the culture cal has created at UK. It's the systemic failure of the way things are at UK right now.

Nobody felt Wall, cousins, Davis, Towns, etc were wrong for leaving.

It's the ones I mentioned that create the problem. Teague should have stayed. Young should have stayed. And so on.
 
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That’s what Mike Decourcy was saying the other day on Tom Leach show and with the restrictions from the pandemic, it really hurt this team. No summer to get acclimated with each other and the school plus no exhibition games among other things.
Bogus analysis. Guys can’t shoot and no one can take their man off the dribble. No amount of bonding or getting acclimated will change that.
 
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MbergCat

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Lead, every VPN provider in the world will respond to a request to turn over their logs about a specified user. I really hope you arent using a free VPN as they typically only exist to harvest browsing information and other little goodies.
Have you noticed how obsessed this dude is with my balls? He talks about me regrowing them...does he think I got em cut off by a woodchopper or something? There's a pretty vast difference in infertility and having an empty sack. Lol.
 

RunninRichie

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Lol, naming some of the different groups outright and not the media terminology of "cyber criminals" shows my age? Lol, so how old am I?

Lol, TOR enables anonymous communications via directing Internet traffic through a global volunteer overlay network consisting of thousands of relay points. Probably hundreds of thousands by now, in order to conceal a user's location and usage from anyone conducting surveillance or traffic analysis. TOR was literally created to be non monitored. So no, Google and Facebook and anyone ekse can't track you. They would just be directed back to the last relay point.

Lol, but they can't just get my ISP and this wouldn't constitute cyber harassment. You really should learn laws as well as IT before you continue to embarrass yourself.

It is exactly your level of (or lack of rather) knowledge regarding the situation that lets me know just how safe I am.
no **** thanks for proving my point that tor makes you untraceable.
nobody calls it the "dark web" its called the deep web lmfao.



what an idiot... Also, im aware what you are doing is not illegal I was simply using that as a hypothetical. How may accounts do you have? are you running a botnet to simply have an unlimited amount of accounts? or are you just manually creating emails?
 

RunninRichie

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LMAO, You've been sitting here claiming for last 30 minutes that they could track me using TOR or a VPN. Now you are claiming you have been saying they can't all along?

So then what is the concern? If you know I can't be busted why the hypothetical in the first place? Seems a bit odd.

If you knew what you are doing you would know you don't even need an active email to register. Again, you just aren't very familiar with IT related stuff my man. I can create a new account in lesa than 10 seconds.
vpns are traceable tor isnt........I havent signed up for rivals in a year I dont remember if you dont need an email or not lololo. I gotta give it you, youre a dedicated troll lead.
 
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RunninRichie

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No, again, if you are using an even respectable VPN provider, you cannot be traced. This isn't 2010 we are talking about.

Sad thing is I am not even trolling. I just state facts and insight you all can't refute. I might do it in a less than polite manner, but it doesn't negate the content contained in the statements. When people like to attack, I tend to attack back with statements I know will anger them further. Such as with @MbergCat


Sure you did. It was the same post where I learned about your step-brats.
I just gotta give you another round of applause for your trolling. First it was the poop porn, then you got bill withers banned, then you went on a triade in the politics thread and now youre on two accounts a day. dedication son!
 

cats#1again

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We didn't slow down with Fox. That team could score. SGA, Ulis, and Hagan's are pretty good college PG's. This year we don't have one. We don't get a DeAron Fox every year.
I said if you don't have a pg , you had better slow it down.
We def don't have one this season and he's slowed the game down trying to win with defense
 

LadyCaytIL

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And then you are completely missing the major problem that refs hate Cal and he's earned them hating him. want to win another title... its not going to be with cal , I guarantee it

then the offense......... cal doesnt know offense...... he's always relied on NBA star level talent to carry his dinosaur pathetic offense to wins. gotta get some offensive minds on the staff and let them run a modern offense.

and then recruiting...... cal builds bad shooting teams ........and clogs the lane with 2 and sometimes 3 bigs . And then also recruits guys that protect draft stock and even diallo wanted to be a none and done.
 

Yardeth

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Jan 2, 2007
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We just need to recruit players that don't have parents so Cal won't have to take a kids heart. No parents, hammer the kid when he plays like crap.
 

FrankUnderwood

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I'm just reiterating what your butter face girl always cries to me about when I am giving her the juice you can't provide. You were the one who said they got removed.


Lmaooooo this is lame AF man. You don’t think it’s weird to continue to make new accounts just to fight with people and pretend you have sex with their wives?


I’m going out on a limb here and guessing:

You are single/lonely and lacking physical intimacy and companionship

You are not physically attractive which has always bothered you deep down. You may not be grotesque ugly (but maybe) but you’re simply unattractive and you know it.
 

KyLegacyBBN

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The real issue is our fanbase. Particularly the ones with their political rage they want to inject into everything. It needs to be gutted out. Our players are leaving Lexington despising the fanbase. The coaches and administrators are embarrassed by those same fans and their behavior and are tired of having to excuse them to players, recruits and their families. Good news is the average lifespan in KY isn't that great comparatively, and KY also has a poor healthcare, high obesity rates and high cancer rates. And judging by the amount of prayer request threads and obituary threads posted here daily and weekly, hopefully some of you are meeting that end quickly and won't be around much longer to cause the problems.

What an absolute embarrassment some of you people have become for Rupp, Hall, Kightley and every other reputable person affiliated with UK basketball. They would be ashamed of you!

You should seek help. Seriously.
 

HagginHall1999

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Not sure about that. It would be better. These guys still can't shoot it though. Jackson ans Sarr struggle to score in the post. Still have lots of careless turnovers.

True, but we would have someone to break down defenses and shots would likely be much easier/open. Half the problem now is we shoot a ton of contested shots.
 
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