Allen needs to think about his future.

FrankUnderwood

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I really like Allen and think it's shameful that he didn't play in the 2nd half, but some of y'all are acting like he's Ray Allen. Dude can't dribble, plays mediocre D, and bricked his two 3s tonight.

At this point, he's a spot up shooter and nothing more. Again, he needs more PT because everybody sucks, but he's not all-SEC, let alone AA.

Absolutely nobody thinks he is Ray Allen. Or even very good. But he’s just as good as Askew and askew plays all damn game.
 

megablue

Heisman
Oct 2, 2012
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If Allen does transfer he really needs to look only at those teams with very good point guards. He , at this point, is a good to very good spot up shooter that cannot create his own shot. He needs that good guard to make him valuable to the team he selects.
Cameron Mills scored thirty-one (31) points against Florida once.
 

kennyskywalker34

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Allen is easy as hell to guard. He can’t get a shot off and he can’t create his own shoot. He isn’t strong enough nor have the motor to run off screens like a Murray, Herro , Monk or Quickley.
I agree with you he hasn't been moving and getting open. But he can I have saw him do it in the Miss. State game. Maybe his knee acts up from time to time and he struggles to cut and move for long periods of time or maybe he is just lazy.
 

Eastkybball

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May 7, 2019
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If Allen does transfer he really needs to look only at those teams with very good point guards. He , at this point, is a good to very good spot up shooter that cannot create his own shot. He needs that good guard to make him valuable to the team he
Feel that way about Cal!
You nothing about the game itself apparently. The problem is not Allen, it’s what the coach has done to Allen.
Aww I forgot how soft kids are these days. I remember getting called a f,ing ***** by my coach. Coming from a poor household, no known last name, I worked my *** off to get into the starting lineup. Coach had no damn choice.
 

crazy _legs

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Nov 6, 2001
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Allen is very one dimensional, can't create his own shot, mediocre dribbler and not that good on defense, need more be said? But he's a Kentucky kid .

Askew proves that not all should reclassify to another class , he looks still like a very good HS player.
 

sk73

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Feb 16, 2013
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Aww I forgot how soft kids are these days. I remember getting called a f,ing ***** by my coach. Coming from a poor household, no known last name, I worked my *** off to get into the starting lineup. Coach had no damn choice.
Around here, Orbzut is a known name.
 

CatOfDaVille

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Mar 30, 2007
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Absolutely nobody thinks he is Ray Allen. Or even very good. But he’s just as good as Askew and askew plays all damn game.
They don't play the same position. Do you want Allen to run the point?

Why aren't you complaining that Toppin doesn't get as much PT as Askew?

I'll tell you why. It's because this board has latched onto Allen as this year's "play Richie!". It's the whole "backup QB is the most popular player" mentality.

I said already that I thought Allen should be playing more, and he definitely should have played in the 2nd half last night. At the same time, I'm tired of seeing all of the threads on it.
 
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carolinacat

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Allen needs to develop his handle, and his mid range game. He has weaknesses like virtually every single player in his first year in D1. That certainly goes for every one of his teammates. I believe he is gunshy to take people off the dribble because Cal likes to pigeonhole him as a spot up shooter only. If I were him, I'd transfer to another program vs. being stuck with one who plays favorites with higher rated players and who has little interest (and ability) in developing 3-4 year players. Selfishly, I hope he stays because I like his upside. But if I were advising him, I leave for another program with a coach who can develop him.

As far as Askew, I am astonished that he played 31 minutes last night. He should be getting only spot minutes behind Mintz at the point. He does NOTHING well at this stage of his career. 33% FG, 25% 3 pt FG%, poor assist/turnover ratio, can't guard, and can't hit tough shots.
 

megablue

Heisman
Oct 2, 2012
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Okay. I scored 17 points one time when I was in high school.
. The point is that he was a spot-up shooter, who could not create. He did not play much and nobody bitched about it, but he was good enough to score 31 against Florida. This is similar to Allen’s big game against Miss State.
 

sk73

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. The point is that he was a spot-up shooter, who could not create. He did not play much and nobody bitched about it, but he was good enough to score 31 against Florida. This is similar to Allen’s big game against Miss State.
Cameron Mills is a good comparison to Dante. My point is that Cameron had a point guard capable of penetrating and passing. DA does not have that now.
 

logiUK

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Jan 6, 2016
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Allen isn't really the answer to all of UK's problems. And he really doesn't deserve to be put up on a pedestal as the solution to everything.

BUT... he's also the only shooter on this team. How a team can be constructed with this amount of lackluster shooters is beyond me. I thought the point of the game was to score more points than your opponent. Did this change to "the team that is most athletic" or "the team that drive to the goal more". Is basketball still predicated on scoring more points than your opponent? How do you do that without any shooters on the floor?

This isn't baseball where you can hit a homer and throw a shutout and be guaranteed a win.
 

jameslee32

Heisman
Mar 26, 2009
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Darius Miller, who was instrumental in winning Cals only title, would not have played for him after his freshman year
 

Oneandnotdone38

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He's the best thing this team has on offense. He's not a nba draft pick. But it's inexcusable he doesn't get more burn.

Calipari acts like somebody is better then him? Who? His wonder boys Askew and Boston. There's nobody blocking him. So why doesn't Cal play him more? He has no legitimate argument. Because the only guy that plays defense is Jackson. Everyone else let's Mizzou look like 2017 Golden State. So what's their to lose?
 
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G-PIP

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I really like Allen and think it's shameful that he didn't play in the 2nd half, but some of y'all are acting like he's Ray Allen. Dude can't dribble, plays mediocre D, and bricked his two 3s tonight.

At this point, he's a spot up shooter and nothing more. Again, he needs more PT because everybody sucks, but he's not all-SEC, let alone AA.
No, you're right. Allen is basically a spot up shooter at this point. But I strongly believe that's not all he ever will be. He was more than that in high school, and he can be in college with a little patience , hard work and experience. And I would say the same about him regardless of where he was from. I mean he was one of the greatest high school scorers (not just shooters) ever produced in this state. You can't tell me none of that transfers.

He's a freshman, so I don't expect more. In fact, I'm actually a little surprised that Allen has been as good as he has been this year. I see all kinds of potential there for a really good college basketball player AND one where UK can actually enjoy the fruits of his development because he will likely stick around long enough for us to see it. That's the reason I've wanted Allen to play so much this year - for development. Completely aside from any argument about who is better right now - Allen or Boston or Clarke, etc. - I want Allen to get the most playing time because he's the one I expect to be here next season and might actually then be in a position to help UK be a decent team. While the other guys are expected to be getting better in the professional ranks somewhere. Basically, Allen is just a freshman, and there are no guarantees - but I can easily see a heck of a player in there.
 

LowCountryCat

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I really like Allen and think it's shameful that he didn't play in the 2nd half, but some of y'all are acting like he's Ray Allen. Dude can't dribble, plays mediocre D, and bricked his two 3s tonight.

At this point, he's a spot up shooter and nothing more. Again, he needs more PT because everybody sucks, but he's not all-SEC, let alone AA.
Straw man, nobody said Ray Allen.

And I HAVE seen DA take his man off the dribble and create his own shot. He has the capability. Unfortunately if he cuts wind while on the floor Cal yanks him for the rest of the game, so he's snakebitten.