Skyy Clark opts out

BourbonBalz

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Not sure the point you are trying to make?

A lot of D1 African American Athletes come from low-income families. These families typically are cramped in housing increasing the likely hood of Covid. Low-income families also do not eat healthy (shocker) which increases multitude of health issues.

Simply stating it's on their overall heath and activities is really simplifying things when it goes much deeper.

This is a better article and more in depth on what I just tried to explain - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...rs/coronavirus-infection-by-race/faq-20488802
You actually just described my point, that being that it isn’t inherently about race. It’s about not eating healthy and not being healthy overall. It’s about being in close proximity to too many people. It’s about how many people you come into contact with on a daily basis (type of job, hanging out, etc.). None of these things are inherently based simply on a person’s race. It’s their living conditions, jobs, socio-economic standing, etc. It’s not specifically about race.
 

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The NFL has world class testing, monitoring, and healthcare to go along with million dollar salaries. That amount of money provides options that most of the population can't access.

If they get sick or take it home to family, they're on their own. Add that to packed ICU s, new more deadly more infectious virus variants. The risk v/s benefits just don't add up the same.
 

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You actually just described my point, that being that it isn’t inherently about race. It’s about not eating healthy and not being healthy overall. It’s about being in close proximity to too many people. It’s about how many people you come into contact with on a daily basis (type of job, hanging out, etc.). None of these things are inherently based simply on a person’s race. It’s their living conditions, jobs, socio-economic standing, etc. It’s not specifically about race.
Bingo.
 

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High schools don't have anywhere near the same safety protocols the NCAA or the professional leagues have. Combine that with teenagers, being teenagers AND accounting for some high schools being more strict than others (Nashville schools are still virtual while surrounding counties are in school with no county mask mandates like Nashville) and I would say its MUCH more dangerous to play high school ball right now than any of the higher up leagues.

And they're still looking at the long term affects of getting it. It may have even played a part in the Florida player collapsing earlier this season. They font know. So SC & family may have just decided there was little upside in continuing.
 
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I'm not sure I can agree with that.

High school/college kids travel one time per week with one road, one home game/week. Unless they're playing in a tournament, their travel regimen isn't that drastic.

In addition, there are usually only 10-15 guys on their roster. NFL teams almost 50 players and dozens of trainers, coaches, etc. More people = greater chance to get sick, and yet the NFL did fairly well.

It's rather odd.
Agree, also NBA anyone?
 
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But again, there’s nothing to support it’s actually about race. It’s about the overall health of a person and their activities. Did you not actually read the article in regards to why?
You can't necessarily separate race from culture in this instance. Is there a racial genetic component (like Sickle Cell Anemia)....too early to tell. But the crowded housing, lack of access to healthy foods and medical care in African American communities lends itself to more susceptibility to Covid. It's really not surprising or that hard to comprehend.
 
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Jesus just left Chicago....and he's spreading Covid on a bus to New Orleans.

Jesus just left Chicago
And he's bound for New Orleans
Well now, Jesus just left Chicago
And he's bound for New Orleans
Yeah, yeah

Riding on the City of New Orleans
Illinois Central Monday morning rail.

Fifteen cars and fifteen restless riders
Three conductors and twenty-five sacks of mail
All along the southbound odyssey
 
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You can't necessarily separate race from culture in this instance. Is there a racial genetic component (like Sickle Cell Anemia)....too early to tell. But the crowded housing, lack of access to healthy foods and medical care in African American communities lends itself to more susceptibility to Covid. It's really not surprising or that hard to comprehend.
Again, none of which inherently has anything to do with skin color. I’m not saying a higher percentage of black Americans don’t fall into the situations you’re describing. I’m simply saying it doesn’t have anything to do directly with a person’s skin color. It’s not that hard to understand or comprehend.
 

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Again, none of which inherently has anything to do with skin color. I’m not saying a higher percentage of black Americans don’t fall into the situations you’re describing. I’m simply saying it doesn’t have anything to do directly with a person’s skin color. It’s not that hard to understand or comprehend.
If those things disproportionately affect a race of people, it seems plausible enough to me to say that there’s a racial factor in it.
It seems like semantics to agree that these issues do disproportionately affect African-Americans, but then say that it isn’t a race issue because it’s actually things (poor diet, close proximity, access to healthcare) that disproportionately affect low-income African-American people. It’s just talking in circles to say the same thing.
 
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If those things disproportionately affect a race of people, it seems plausible enough to me to say that there’s a racial factor in it.
It seems like semantics to agree that these issues do disproportionately affect African-Americans, but then say that it isn’t a race issue because it’s actually things that disproportionately affect low-income African-American people. It’s just talking in circles to say the same thing.
I think what he's saying is that just because a person is black doesn't mean the virus is any different for them than it is for a white person.

Yes, of course crowded housing conditions, poor diet, etc can, and probably does play a part, but race, in and of itself isn't a factor. ( At least so far as we know at the present.)
 
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I think higher rates of covid in black population is a function of more black people having jobs where they can’t work from home, typically in service industry, and a higher percentage of black people work these jobs than white people as a whole.

In other words, it’s a working class problem and by percentage more black people are working class than white people, thus have a higher rate.
 
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I think what he's saying is that just because a person is black doesn't mean the virus is any different for them than it is for a white person.

Yes, of course crowded housing conditions, poor diet, etc can, and probably does play a part, but race, in and of itself isn't a factor. ( At least so far as we know at the present.)
Bingo! I would suspect it has a very similar effect on very poor white areas. Or Hispanic areas. It’s simply NOT directly a skin issue. Our players, as do most division 1 athletes, live in extremely good conditions. They’re probably less likely to be affected than non-athlete students.
 
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Again, none of which inherently has anything to do with skin color. I’m not saying a higher percentage of black Americans don’t fall into the situations you’re describing. I’m simply saying it doesn’t have anything to do directly with a person’s skin color. It’s not that hard to understand or comprehend.
You can't definitely assert that as fact.
Is it possible that race in and of itself has no link to Covid mortality? Yes--- but it is waaaay too early to definitely say that. More scientific studies are needed.
It IS A FACT that people of color are getting this at higher rates and at higher mortality rate.
Again....That is an indisputable fact.
Why that is happening is pretty obvious on the surface (Densely populated housing units, more reliance of crowded public transportation, less access to quality food, inability to tele-work and less access to good medical care).
Different races are effected by some medical conditions more severely than others. It may or may not later be linked to genetics. Only time and more scientific studies will tell.
 
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If those things disproportionately affect a race of people, it seems plausible enough to me to say that there’s a racial factor in it.
It seems like semantics to agree that these issues do disproportionately affect African-Americans, but then say that it isn’t a race issue because it’s actually things (poor diet, close proximity, access to healthcare) that disproportionately affect low-income African-American people. It’s just talking in circles to say the same thing.
You're describing conditions that have nothing to do with skin color. Why do you qualify your statement with "LOW-INCOME" African-American people? Are HIGH income AA people less affected? In that case, how do you know that LOW-INCOME NON-AFRICAN-AMERICAN people aren't ALSO disproportionately affected?

Be careful with your answer; YOU are the one bordering on racist comments here.
 

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I think higher rates of covid in black population is a function of more black people having jobs where they can’t work from home, typically in service industry, and a higher percentage of black people work these jobs than white people as a whole.

In other words, it’s a working class problem and by percentage more black people are working class than white people, thus have a higher rate.
To an extent yes. I don’t think it’s a “working class” issue, but more of a type of job and social issue. To my knowledge, not a single medical professional has ever said the virus infects or is more severe simply based on skin color. That’s all I’ve said. Other issues, primarily health and interpersonal interactions, are the main culprits and these issues cause the differences in racial infection and death rates. I mean the whole thing started in Wuhan, China. I highly doubt there are many black Americans there.
 

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To an extent yes. I don’t think it’s a “working class” issue, but more of a type of job and social issue. To my knowledge, not a single medical professional has ever said the virus infects or is more severe simply based on skin color. That’s all I’ve said. Other issues, primarily health and interpersonal interactions, are the main culprits and these issues cause the differences in racial infection and death rates. I mean the whole thing started in Wuhan, China. I highly doubt there are many black Americans there.
Just stated why. Also, it’s a huge jump in logic to suggest Clark opting out has anything to do with race. It’s because when you play and travel you interact with a lot of people. It’s not because he’s black. I realize you specifically didn’t claim that, but good god people... You all need to get out more.
 
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Just stated why. Also, it’s a huge jump in logic to suggest Clark opting out has anything to do with race. It’s because when you play and travel you interact with a lot of people. It’s not because he’s black. I realize you specifically didn’t claim that, but good god people... You all need to get out more.
I wasn’t even talking about Clark. I’m simply responding to infection rates based on race. I couldn’t care less whether he plays the rest of the season. I think it will hurt him from a basketball standpoint, but that’s his choice and his alone.
 
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Just stated why. Also, it’s a huge jump in logic to suggest Clark opting out has anything to do with race. It’s because when you play and travel you interact with a lot of people. It’s not because he’s black. I realize you specifically didn’t claim that, but good god people... You all need to get out more.
You realize no one claimed that but you figured you’d bring it up anyway? OK. Tells me all I need to know.
 
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I think I remember Ralph dalton fan saying this kid would always make sure he is in the spotlight.

not too excited about him tbh
 
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You realize no one claimed that but you figured you’d bring it up anyway? OK. Tells me all I need to know.
Actually, that’s exactly what led the thread in this direction. Read it back yourself. And I think poster’s intention was in right place, but it’s not because Clark is black.
 

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You're describing conditions that have nothing to do with skin color. Why do you qualify your statement with "LOW-INCOME" African-American people? Are HIGH income AA people less affected? In that case, how do you know that LOW-INCOME NON-AFRICAN-AMERICAN people aren't ALSO disproportionately affected?

Be careful with your answer; YOU are the one bordering on racist comments here.
High income people of any race are likely less affected due to access to more resources. Sambowieshin said what I was trying to communicate more effectively than I did. These issues affect minorities more in this country and can be backed up with plenty of evidence. These issues likely do impact low income people of all races, but minorities disproportionately suffer from this. It’s also entirely possible (or not) that there is a component of the virus that affects races differently. We don’t know enough about it to be sure, but the early data would suggest that it’s possible. I’m sorry if i wasn’t clear or came across a way that I didn’t intend.
 

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Actually, that’s exactly what led the thread in this direction. Read it back yourself. And I think poster’s intention was in right place, but it’s not because Clark is black.
Not by me and that’s where you directed your response.
 

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Again, none of which inherently has anything to do with skin color. I’m not saying a higher percentage of black Americans don’t fall into the situations you’re describing. I’m simply saying it doesn’t have anything to do directly with a person’s skin color. It’s not that hard to understand or comprehend.
You are correct, but many people are very vested, either emotionally, financially or both in a victim/oppressor dynamic and must blame everything on "racial injustice", if we can point the finger at one group of people and blame them for all of societies ills, then we can continue in perpetuity with the victim culture. I believe that black people; rich, poor and in between are just as able and capable of making smart living, eating and lifestyle choices as anyone else. Sadly, many believe that black and brown people are helpless victims that can't succeed on their own merits and need government intervention for their entire lives.
 

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You are correct, but many people are very vested, either emotionally, financially or both in a victim/oppressor dynamic and must blame everything on "racial injustice", if we can point the finger at one group of people and blame them for all of societies ills, then we can continue in perpetuity with the victim culture. I believe that black people; rich, poor and in between are just as able and capable of making smart living, eating and lifestyle choices as anyone else. Sadly, many believe that black and brown people are helpless victims that can't succeed on their own merits and need government intervention for their entire lives.
Bingo. Its easier to chalk all of your problems in life up to things out of your control, rather than just taking responsibility for not bettering your situation.
 
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You are correct, but many people are very vested, either emotionally, financially or both in a victim/oppressor dynamic and must blame everything on "racial injustice", if we can point the finger at one group of people and blame them for all of societies ills, then we can continue in perpetuity with the victim culture. I believe that black people; rich, poor and in between are just as able and capable of making smart living, eating and lifestyle choices as anyone else. Sadly, many believe that black and brown people are helpless victims that can't succeed on their own merits and need government intervention for their entire lives.
Unfortunately it has been a booming industry for decades from a political, economic, and social aspect. One party has convinced people that the world is against them and that victimhood is the only way. It’s really a shame, but millions have bought in to it. Frankly, if I was a minority, I’d be offended by that dynamic.
 
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It’s always great to recruit guys who don’t love the game rather guys who simply see it as a means to an end
 

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You are correct, but many people are very vested, either emotionally, financially or both in a victim/oppressor dynamic and must blame everything on "racial injustice", if we can point the finger at one group of people and blame them for all of societies ills, then we can continue in perpetuity with the victim culture. I believe that black people; rich, poor and in between are just as able and capable of making smart living, eating and lifestyle choices as anyone else. Sadly, many believe that black and brown people are helpless victims that can't succeed on their own merits and need government intervention for their entire lives.
Idealistic mumbo jumbo. Supposed to be inspiring I guess. But I think you don’t understand what people mean when they say covid affects some demographics more than others.
 
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@BourbonBalz we get your point. Covid doesn't attack a particular race. Although a poster did point out that certain races are pre-dispositioned to certain diseases that Covid can attack. Which is a fair point.

Obviously yes if your poor you likely have the same conditions as any race. I think we can all agree there. However in Clarks case and many other recruits are typically in these bad situations.

And I'm out.
 
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I don't like this new term, "opt out."

It seemingly means, "Quit during Covid." Was the quitting in fact due to concerns over contracting or spreading Covid? Who knows, but you can quit anything now and there is a ready-made excuse.

Now that I think about it though. I need to start using it. It works.
 
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