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fisherscat

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It’s as shocking as it is disheartening. The one and done model and brand has come back to swallow him up and there’s nothing he can do about it. Players crying over playing time, worried about draft status, Brooks addressing the media. Huh?

It’s time. It’s time. Thanks Cal for a pretty good run. But it’s time.
 
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NoDef

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The one and done doesn't work unless you get the best players. We have only had one top 10 NBA draft pick in the last four drafts after having a top 10 in every Cal era draft up to that point. Top players have figured out they can play anywhere and get drafted high. Heck, Georgia had the #1 last year.
 
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I saw this coming after the Noel season. It was becoming clear that we were only attracting certain types of kids at that point. The only kids that even look at UK anymore are the ones who are NBA crazed kids. Ones that who have talent but also want to enjoy college don’t even consider coming here. They just want a UK offer for their resume and that’s it.
 
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dcw62

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Cal hit his Zenith with the 38-1 team,and from then on, its been on a steady decline.Yeah a couple final eight's but when he got outcoached against an undermanned Auburn team in the final Eight,that was when I knew,he probably isn't gonna win another championship here
 
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FishersBlue said:
It’s as shocking as it is disheartening. The one and done model and brand has come back to swallow him up and there’s nothing he can do about it. Players crying over playing time, worried about draft status, Brooks addressing the media. Huh?

It’s time. It’s time. Thanks Cal for a pretty good run. But it’s time.
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Yep , swallowed him up so much that we were one of the top 5 or 6 teams heading into last years tournament. You couldn’t be more wrong. Don’t overreact to this brutal season.
 
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seccats04

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CROCAT said:
Losing Kenny Payne turned a downward slide into a freefall


By the way, I'd give Payne a chance to be a temporary HC, if a home run hire ( Stevens, Donovan ) can't be made. Wouldn't even cost one tenth of Cal's salary, no more OAD crap, players respect him. What's not to like?
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Kenny Payne can barely talk. You think he has enough personality to handle a job like UK? Gillispie proved this job is about much more than just coaching basketball. You are an ambassador and Payne is almost shy in front of the cameras. That won't work here.
 
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catswin

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FishersBlue said:
It’s as shocking as it is disheartening. The one and done model and brand has come back to swallow him up and there’s nothing he can do about it. Players crying over playing time, worried about draft status, Brooks addressing the media. Huh?

It’s time. It’s time. Thanks Cal for a pretty good run. But it’s time.
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Calipari had us a last second shot away from the Final Four and probably a championship in 2017 as a 2 seed. He had us a free throw away from a Final Four and probably a championship in 2019. He had us at what would have been a 2 seed last season. He has totally ruined this program!!
 
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LmdCat

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FishersBlue said:
It’s as shocking as it is disheartening. The one and done model and brand has come back to swallow him up and there’s nothing he can do about it. Players crying over playing time, worried about draft status, Brooks addressing the media. Huh?

It’s time. It’s time. Thanks Cal for a pretty good run. But it’s time.
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I think Cal has become fat in terms of his salary and contract, therefore, I don't think he is putting in the work. He feels untouchable. Before you start telling me about his camp, I know that he makes a lot of noise, but making noise doesn't win championships. His players run the court like a bunch of ants after you destroy their anthill.
 
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CincyUKFan

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ncaaky said:
Calipari had us a last second shot away from the Final Four and probably a championship in 2017 as a 2 seed. He had us a free throw away from a Final Four and probably a championship in 2019. He had us at what would have been a 2 seed last season. He has totally ruined this program!!
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You’re breaking the first commandment bro. The man is your god.
 
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Cawood86_rivals

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ncaaky said:
Calipari had us a last second shot away from the Final Four and probably a championship in 2017 as a 2 seed. He had us a free throw away from a Final Four and probably a championship in 2019. He had us at what would have been a 2 seed last season. He has totally ruined this program!!
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Does UK need to hang some banners for all those "accomplihments" you listed?

They could call it the Almost section. Be pretty cool. Hey everyone look!! We almost won these games. Everybody get a plaque for almost winning these games. Great job almost winning guys.
 
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fisherscatfan_rivals101526

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FishersBlue said:
You can make the argument Cal has tried to change the model but it’s impossible or so it seems.

Maybe he’s motivated to fix this and not leave the program in such a mess. We will see. But just disappointing to think where the program is under Cal.
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Every stop he has been he has left it in shambles. Was hoping it would be different here but looking like it will be the same fate for UK.
 
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IMO, the game has changed on the offensive side over the past 5+ years with a majority of a team's possessions relying on a half court offense. Running good offensive sets with proper spacing, timely screens, and good outside shooters is at premium right now. Cal doesn't have a half court offense and it was once again evident today. Cal's philosophy is to spread the guys on the floor and have someone beat a defender off the dribble. Unfortunately, when you don't have outside shooters, the defense is going to sag and limit the lanes to drive. When you don't run effective offensive sets, you don't get easy buckets, you don't get good looks, you turn the offense into a one on one, and you turn the ball over and over and over. It would have benefited Cal to bring a new face with new ideas to the coaching staff rather than his former players.
 
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UKChamps2012 said:
IMO, the game has changed on the offensive side over the past 5+ years with a majority of a team's possessions relying on a half court offense. Running good offensive sets with proper spacing, timely screens, and good outside shooters is at premium right now. Cal doesn't have a half court offense and it was once again evident today. Cal's philosophy is to spread the guys on the floor and have someone beat a defender off the dribble. Unfortunately, when you don't have outside shooters, the defense is going to sag and limit the lanes to drive. When you don't run effective offensive sets, you don't get easy buckets, you don't get good looks, you turn the offense into a one on one, and you turn the ball over and over and over. It would have benefited Cal to bring a new face with new ideas to the coaching staff rather than his former players.
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Coaching hard. Drinking beer with your buddies easy.
 
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NoDef

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LmdCat said:
I think Cal has become fat in terms of his salary and contract, therefore, I don't think he is putting in the work. He feels untouchable. Before you start telling me about his camp, I know that he makes a lot of noise, but making noise doesn't win championships. His players run the court like a bunch of ants after you destroy their anthill.
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Cal has gotten complacent. Every coaching changed is filled with old friends. I think he is to the point where he likes to sit around and tell old stories and that's why he only brings in old buddies. He is still one of the best in the game, but these kids have figured out they don't have to go to a blueblood to help their NBA stock.. No top ten picks since 2017.
 
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LmdCat

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NoDef said:
Cal has gotten complacent. Every coaching changed is filled with old friends. I think he is to the point where he likes to sit around and tell old stories and that's why he only brings in old buddies. He is still one of the best in the game, but these kids have figured out they don't have to go to a blueblood to help their NBA stock.. No top ten picks since 2017.
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He surrounds himself with assistant coaches that won't tell him what he needs to hear. They only tell him how great he is or simply look the other way. Kenny couldn't take it any longer and got out.
 
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Wildcats1st

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dcw62 said:
Cal hit his Zenith with the 38-1 team,and from then on, its been on a steady decline.Yeah a couple final eight's but when he got outcoached against an undermanned Auburn team in the final Eight,that was when I knew,he probably isn't gonna win another championship here
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underachiever is Cals middle name when you consider all the upsets he has taken at UK especially the tournament games.
 
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TheDude73

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seccats04 said:
Kenny Payne can barely talk. You think he has enough personality to handle a job like UK? Gillispie proved this job is about much more than just coaching basketball. You are an ambassador and Payne is almost shy in front of the cameras. That won't work here.
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I wouldn't care if my coach sounded like Charlie Brown's teacher during interviews. If he won and kept consistency, that's all I'd care about.
 
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FurdTurgason

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NoDef said:
these kids have figured out they don't have to go to a blueblood to help their NBA stock.. No top ten picks since 2017.
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More like they are getting paid at these non blue bloods. Mike Helton, who was president of NASCAR at the time, once told me that you didn't have to worry about the three or four top echelon teams, the ones vying for a title year to year, cheating. They had too much to lose. It was the teams trying to get into that top tier.
 
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LmdCat

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Wildcats1st said:
underachiever is Cals middle name when you consider all the upsets he has taken at UK especially the tournament games.
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I don't recall a single team that Cal has coached that played better than the individual talent on it. It is amazing to realize that most of the players were better AAU and NBA players than they were college players. WHY?
 
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UKChamps2012 said:
IMO, the game has changed on the offensive side over the past 5+ years with a majority of a team's possessions relying on a half court offense. Running good offensive sets with proper spacing, timely screens, and good outside shooters is at premium right now. Cal doesn't have a half court offense and it was once again evident today. Cal's philosophy is to spread the guys on the floor and have someone beat a defender off the dribble. Unfortunately, when you don't have outside shooters, the defense is going to sag and limit the lanes to drive. When you don't run effective offensive sets, you don't get easy buckets, you don't get good looks, you turn the offense into a one on one, and you turn the ball over and over and over. It would have benefited Cal to bring a new face with new ideas to the coaching staff rather than his former players.
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Post of the season plus his hard headed refusal to switch defenses drives me crazy. It is about putting your team in the best position to win and if it means a zone sometimes or full court pressure .. do what you have to do to win.
 
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Mr.Morris said:
Post of the season plus his hard headed refusal to switch defenses drives me crazy. It is about putting your team in the best position to win and if it means a zone sometimes or full court pressure .. do what you have to do to win.
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What is so comical is that Cal yells for the players to run with the ball even though they are not capable at this point without turnovers and then gets upset when they turn the ball over. How long has this been going on?
 
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Wildcats1st

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LmdCat said:
I don't recall a single team that Cal has coached that played better than the individual talent on it. It is amazing to realize that most of the players were better AAU and NBA players than they were college players. WHY?
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that 96 umass team had some good college players but only camby and cal did well. He really built that umass program.
 
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UKfan2151

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I'm not sure Cal can fix this problem at this point. He made too much of a public fuss about loving to send guys to the NBA. So that is the only kind of players he can attract now....kids that already have one foot out the door. Those who can leave. Those who fail to make the draft after one season transfer. These kinds of players have a loser mindset. They expect things to be given to them rather than earned. They are mentally weak. And that is why they suck.

Yet we can't break this cycle because the kids we have coming here these days all have this mindset. Cal would have to come out immediately and start making a big deal in a very public way that any kid who expects to be one and done should avoid UK, that they aren't wanted here. And even then I'm not sure you could change things. There has just been too much of established history to break the cycle. The only way to break this cycle is to completely change the culture of the program. I don't think we can do that as long as Cal is still here.

I hate it. I wish it didn't have to be done. But Cal has to go. And it isn't like he hasn't seen the warning signs. Hell, many of us here have been able to see this coming for years. His stated goals are incompatible with UK basketball. And now we are in a cycle of failure that we can't recover from until we totally change the mentality around this program. As long as Cal remains, all we are going to do is attract these same kind of soft kids seeking instant gratification, rather than the tigers willing to fight for everything they get.

My God, what I would give right now to have a team made up of guys like Pitino's first team here. Those guys were warriors. If they ever cried, it was because they hated losing. It wasn't because any of them were worrying about their draft stock. We need to start bringing in more kids with a blue collar approach to getting things done, the kind of kids we always seemed to have a few of in the days before Cal brought this ****** *** NBA culture here.
 
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NoDef said:
The one and done doesn't work unless you get the best players. We have only had one top 10 NBA draft pick in the last four drafts after having a top 10 in every Cal era draft up to that point. Top players have figured out they can play anywhere and get drafted high. Heck, Georgia had the #1 last year.
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I concur. If Cal was cheating his first 5 years, he needs to go back to it because it’s clear nobody is being punished these days.
 
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