For me it took 56 seasons.Its meaninglessness. A friend text me, did UK play today? No.
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nonsense, there’s gonna be guys coming here cussing us out and calling us morons. In cal we trust!
The ESPN host opposite of Greenburg said let me speak for BBN "What the HELL is going on?"
This isn't a situation where anyone in the media is thinking UK fans are wrong for their outrage
It looks like we don’t .I watched that Houston team and Kelvin Sampson got 2 and 3 star players to look like 5 stars . Mark Few and Jay Wright have been doing amazing also. They teach fundamentals
It cracks me up to see all the Cal lovers making all kinds of excuses for his poor coaching. Today was embarrassing to Kentucky basketball. Even in the years we start to play better after subpar starts it still seems that we are always behind the 8 ball after bad early season losses. Last year we had a terrible time trying to get seeding up because a early season losses to Evansville and Utah. The way Cal is doing things we will never have a dominant start to finish team as long as he is here. This team just isn’t good and without the ability to recruit the best of the best Cal is just a below average coach. We desperately need a fresh start.
I thought the coach was supposed to build confidence, not an internet message board
I was referring to winning a Final Four - as in being a champion. I see you referred to Final Four games, so we missed each other's meaning.
And I like Hardy because he can shoot. Did our fans ever make that claim about Boston/Clarke?
And I'm for keeping some players while landing one or two elites. That was the formula in 2012 and 2015. This "second fiddle to Duke" stuff has murdered our program, and Cal still won't pay the elites.
we just lost to a winless team that was supposed to be a cupcake.
there is no way to spin this.
there is no way to spin this.
And you didn't even attempt to make an effort to understand what I actually was referring to.
But go for the ad hominem since the product on the floor is indefensible.
I tell ya what’s gonna be a blast. When Clark, Boston and maybe a couple others opt out to prepare for the draft. And I don’t blame Cal for this other than he sure doesn’t seem to be making college basketball much fun for these guys. But I’m really looking forward for that.
You act like these guys just started playing the game. These are players who have played at the highest level of basketball prior to coming to UK and they have the skills to get the job done. If they don't, Cal should never have recruited them. These players aren't playing under any conditions that the rest of college basketball is play under. As players lose their game, Cal is losing his skills and he isn't earning his salary. UK has way too much invested in this program for this type of product.
Sure sure. Yawn. Call me when you get Cal fired. Laughs
Cmon man, you can’t seriously be okay with these results.
Hardy isn't the answer. And 4 final4's in 10 years is still more than we can ask for. No other coach is going to deliver that.. we're in a lull, and maybe we need to have a **** season to return some guys.
My Jets are currently doing this.. Some fans want a win. Why. **** your feelings and **** the win. Bottom out. Look bad. Get the draft pick.. And in our case, let the team look like ****. **** em. I don't care about their draft hopes (despite what some on here think I want to see).. Let them look bad so some of them have no option but to come back.
We won in 2012 because of a lockout. We won games in 2015 because we returned players.
Would you throw away this season for a Final 4 next year?
We could have gotten more out of some of these players' AAU coaches.
Cal really has never had any coaching skills. Except his teams usually played very hard. They don’t even do that anymore.
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If next season included Hardy, yes. He's going to be unreal. I don't typically get excited about particular recruits, but the last few years I was high on the following guys:
Hardy
Tatum
Murray
Kuminga
Cade
Barrett
Jaylen Brown
I'd put Hardy in the same category of instant impact program changer and potential future all-star.
I want to believe you but for 4 years now it’s been different recruiting year, same outcome.
Year after year we read about how great we are going to be when said name players join the team. When they come and we don't play well, we trash them. Why is that?
I just don't think recruits play well when its a brand new team. I think the team around you matters. I've thought this in every sport.. when I talk about Curry having Klay, or Sam Darnold having no one around him.. I think this is EXTREMLY overlooked. You're made by the team around you. Hardy would be a phenom on the 2015 team.. and he'd be a turnover machine this year.
I'll take him, if he really wants to be here.. but I dont think he does. He's going Gleague.
Exactly. And another wrinkle in this.. they usually DO wind up playing well by seasons end.
But we continue to think these top recruits just figure out a new team on day 1. And it just doesn't work that way.
It doesn't matter. UK loses to teams with 3 star athletes. When was the last time someone said a UK team played above expectations?
I have trouble reconciling how a team with at least 3 NBA players for multiple years in a row fail to get past an elite 7.
Define well ? Its somewhere between better than they were when they came and good enough to jump to the NBA but not good enough to win 5 NCAA games in a row.
He said alot but the most striking thing was - "when you come to Kentucky and you do what they did today, there is accountability"
now what that means in his eyes was unclear.
He said what every UK fan would be saying about another team with our talent level who looks like they were just introduced to the game.
Okay. And what do we do with that? Is it inevitable that our guys leave after one or two years - to transfer, overseas, or NBA?
Why are we one of the only elite programs that has atrocious player turnover? Does the staff sell anything beside "fastest NBA prep" around?
Can they land kids by telling them that some of them are likely 2-3 years because they lack real present-day talent? I have my doubts.
We can all diagnose the problems, but it's not our fault that the system isn't working anymore. We're not paid to fix it, and your optimistic notion that a bad/mediocre season will lead to more players coming back has proved historically faulty already. The Knox team was mostly underachieving all year, and we still lost Gabriel, Vanderbilt, Diallo, SKJ, Wynyard and ultimately Green anyway.
Last year saw the departures of Hagans/EJ. They both chose the professional netherworld of overseas ambiguity over anything UK could offer for a third season. That's sickening to me and Cal and the staff need to do a better job of mitigating that sh*t when they're out recruiting the next crop of delusional 17 year olds.
To whom much is given much is expected. Year after year, UK has way too much talent to perform at the level we do. I use to complain about our rankings, but honestly, we were given more than we deserved based on past performance.
I can't get into all of that. I've talked about so many reasons why a brand new team, no matter how talented, is still unlikely to win a final 4, especially with the hurdles we have this year. You can find them if you search my posts.. clearly others are that keyed in to what I say lol .. so it aint that hard to find.
All I can say is that Coach K is doing the same thing, and he doesn't have a Final4 either. What's funny about him, they keep canceling his games. Or HE keeps cancelling them. Smart move.
If we don't like the system, thats fine. I agree. I dont think its a great system right now, especially with how recruiting has gone.
Those final fours seem like years ago cause well, they were. First 5 years cal was on fire. He normally does put it together for a decent run but not final 4. Next year will be the same. We don’t have any Studs that can walk in a dominate.
Actually I’m not sure this team will put it together. We don’t have a PG that can not turn it over and distribute the ball.
Nobody got their wish, we just saw what was happening long before you oblivious fools did.
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