Would you trade secondaries with OM?

[57stratdawg]

I keep seeing their DBs ranked ahead of us which seems pretty crazy considering their questions at CB. I know people point to our S's as questionable, but I feel like Cox, Market, and Hughes is a better group than OM's CBs.

Would any of you OM fans trade with us?

 

[AHSDawg]

They get a lot of brownie points for Prewitt being a 4 year starter. Nevermind the fact that he was pure garbage as a Fr and Soph. I know this will come off as sour grapes but I just do not see it with him. He makes a whole lot of tackles but rarely do they seem to matter. No way is he an AA DB.

Conner is good. That goes without saying. I could not even tell you who their other two are.

 

[PiedmontDawg]

no. 17 no.

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

My thoughts

Nope. I'd take our secondary. The only position groups of there's I would trade for is OL, WR, TE, and K. The hardest call is DL. Overall they might be a little better. But Chris Jones is going to be the best of any. So I'd keep ours solely because of him.

 

[121Josey]

They play with 5 and State plays with 4. State's 4 are better than their 5 top to bottom. State just doesn't have a 1st Team and Freshman AA.

 

[esplanade91]

Prewitt is probably looking at a 2nd day selection if he has another year like last year, but I think a lot of teams are going to go long on them BECAUSE of him and their lack of corners.

Benefits of starting guys before they're ready. He's in the same boat as Clausell. Scapegoat for 2011, backbone for 2014.

But the answer is no, I wouldn't. But that has a lot do with the fact that I think our linebacker corp shores up a lot of the disparity in the middle of the field. Wells is essentially a 3rd safety, and they're all pretty good. That's without saying we're deeper at safety alone. Or that we're top 3 in the conference in corner talent (#2stars).

 

[JungRebel]

I would have traded up until the LSU game last season, not after seeing that game though.

 

[AHSDawg]

Their 1st DL 'might' be a hair ahead but no way their depth is better. We are going to be running through quality and quantity. That will make a huge difference for us in the 4th

 

[Col. Forbin]

No.

 

[opieT]

Cody Prewitt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H57wKdU0aJY

See the :45, 1:10, and 1:40 marks.

 

[121Josey]

I would have traded up until the LSU game last season, not after seeing that game though.

That was kind of embarrassing - LSU completing 25 of 29 passes. I hate that you quit watching State at that point. They did a little better against a Conerly Trophy winning QB, a 2nd Day Draft pick WR, a #1 recruit WR, etc...

Ole Miss Passing
	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR
B. Wallace	26/40	182	4.6	0	3	18.3
L. Treadwell	1/1	19	19.0	0	0	100.0
B. Brunetti	1/2	0	0.0	0	0	24.5
Team	28/43	201	4.7	0	3	-

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That's in-bear-***-ing!

 

[thf24]

No. I'm not sure I'd even trade our safeties for theirs. Conner is a badass, no doubt, but I have a feeling Cox is going to explode this year and show up Prewitt. Combine that potential with Market's/Hughes' smarts and I'm not sure there's much of a gap between those two units (not factoring in OM's third safety, can't remember who plays there).

 

[RebelBruiser]

Just starters, or entire rotation...and before or after we lost 3 of our reserves to season ending injuries?

I don't know much about your depth, but before the injuries, I wouldn't have traded our secondary for many in the country period.

After the injuries, we're a bit thinner, but I still think we can confidently go 2 deep at all 5 positions without a big drop off, though we're going to be relying on a few newcomers in some of those back up roles (Alford, Hampton, Webster).

ETA: And this may be something that's really hard for either fan base to really admit, but both of our defenses should be REALLY good this year. We're both returning a whole lot at each level of the defense, and we both should be on the plus side defensively in the conference. I'm pumped about ours because I can't remember the last time we had the talent and depth at each level of our defense that we do this year.

A lot of our better defenses in the past were weak in the secondary and relied on pressure up front to take the pressure off the back end. We've got a bit of everything this year though for the first time in a long time.

 

[Irondawg]

No - our top 3 corners are legit and IMO better than anybody they have. I was impressed by Conner last year and Prewitt is way better than i thought he'd ever be after his fresh an soph seasons. However Market made some big plays for us last year that weren't highlight films - he just did his job. I believe Cox is going to shine at S but i do admit this could be a area of weakness for us.

Given I value CB's more than safeties I'm taking our guys right now.

 

[dawgstudent]

You realize that was 2 years ago. I'm with you on the fact I'm not completely enamored with him but he is better than he was 2 years ago.

 

[JungRebel]

I meant how our DBs played aGAINST the Tigers. We had a true freshman start in that game who played well and hasn't been mentioned in this thread.

 

[Confucius Say]

Can I have Connor at SS and our corners and Cox. That would be awesome.

But seriously, depends on if your scheme relies more on safeties or corners. They are as good as anybody at safety, and we are as good as anybody at corner (with LSU as possible caveat).

 

[coach66]

Connor and Prewit are exceptional players and give them the edge I would say.

I think we are better at the corners but just my opinion. We are both going to be stout on
defense.

 

[RebelAlumnus]

I think Derrick Jones will be the best corner on either team when the season is finished. Reminds me a lot of J Banks.

 

[Red87]

They get a lot of brownie points for Prewitt being a 4 year starter. Nevermind the fact that he was pure garbage as a Fr and Soph. I know this will come off as sour grapes but I just do not see it with him. He makes a whole lot of tackles but rarely do they seem to matter. No way is he an AA DB.

Conner is good. That goes without saying. I could not even tell you who their other two are.

He led the SEC in interceptions last year and is a unanimous all American.

 

[tb2]

This could be one of the best SPS threads ever. Will definately bookmark.

insert sheep noise here.

 

[121Josey]

I meant how our DBs played aGAINST the Tigers. We had a true freshman start in that game who played well and hasn't been mentioned in this thread.

I thought it was just Mettenberger having an off-night. I sure didn't see the DB's shut anybody else down the rest of the season and they didn't look good against TAMU at home the week before.

 

[BiscuitEater]

OM has lost Tee and another CB to season ending injuries; Kalio is hurt and seems fragile; they run the HUNH that 'can' lead to quick scores & can also mean the D is back out there after 45 sec; unless they have a couple really step up, their secondary depth is huge limiting factor

 

[coach66]

Is he the one that almost made the interception of Dak in the Eggbowl, if so I'm

almost going to agree with you*. Our corners are pretty good.

 

[121Josey]

I think Derrick Jones will be the best corner on either team when the season is finished. Reminds me a lot of J Banks.

Banks wasn't a shutdown corner. State has three shutdown corners, with 2 of the Top 6 returning CBs. Odds aren't in your favor.

Wictory Wed to the Wescue!

 

[coach66]

I don't think Kalio will ever play meaningful minutes. I just don't think he

can take the punishment at this level. He is fast.

 

[RebelAlumnus]

I sure didn't see the DB's shut anybody else down the rest of the season and they didn't look good against TAMU at home the week before.

Using that logic, neither did yours, giving up 446 yards and 5 TDs to Manziel.

 

[RebelAlumnus]

Banks wasn't a shutdown corner. State has three shutdown corners, with 2 of the Top 6 returning CBs. Odds aren't in your favor.

Didn't he win the Thorpe Award in 2012? Do they generally give that to corners that aren't that good? Since you have 3 shutdown corners, I can't wait to see all of them win the Thorpe Award.

 

[AHSDawg]

E.J. Gaines was 2nd with 5. Tell me who he plays for... Stats are such a misleading argument. Hell, Cam Lawrence led the SEC in tackles... And almost all of them were 8-10 yards downfield. Does the fact that he led the conference mean he was the best LB?

And, again, he is being listed as a preseason AA because he is a 4 year starter with a couple of decent stats. If you would like to bet on whether he will be a post season unanimous AA, I will be glad to let you name the amount of money.

 

[coach66]

You are right safeties pick up a lot of junk interceptions whereas corners

rarely do. Example, Williams interception to Prewitt in the Egg Bowl last year. He just threw it up for grabs. Overthrown balls are a safeties best friend.

 

[AHSDawg]

I bet you were the first one applauding Banks winning. And no, Banks wasn't a shutdown corner. He was hardly EVER played one on one. That is a lot of the reason that our former DC is now coaching DL at UGA. Banks was a great player that was played improperly by the coordinator.

 

[RebelAlumnus]

Well, he was a post-season AA last year by the AP and USA Today, so....kinda ruins your argument. I don't think anyone has said he is the most talented.

 

[AHSDawg]

You're right. He was completely better than Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix & Jimmie Ward.

Damn, you are stupid.

He won stat awards last year. yes, I believe this has been covered. Again, if you would take him, that is fine. I am saying ON A MESSAGE BOARD that I would not take him as I feel his stats greatly outweigh how good he actually is.

 

[121Josey]

Using that logic, neither did yours, giving up 446 yards and 5 TDs to Manziel.

Yeah, they had to do something. They sure weren't moving the ball on the ground. I just wonder what Manziel would have put up on the Bears if they couldn't drive a truck through those holes.**

Texas A&M Rushing vs. MSU
	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LG
J. Manziel	14	47	3.4	0	16
T. Williams	6	29	4.8	1	15
B. Malena	9	20	2.2	1	4
B. Williams	1	6	6.0	0	6
-. Team	3	-11	-3.7	0	0
Team	33	91	2.8	2	16

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Texas A&M Rushing vs. TSUN
	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LG
J. Manziel	19	124	6.5	2	24
B. Malena	16	61	3.8	1	10
T. Williams	7	50	7.1	2	18
T. Carson	2	8	4.0	0	8
-. Team	1	-2	-2.0	0	0
Team	45	241	5.4	5	24

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ETA: Wictory Wed to the Wescue!

 

[RebelBruiser]

I thought it was just Mettenberger having an off-night. I sure didn't see the DB's shut anybody else down the rest of the season and they didn't look good against TAMU at home the week before.

Don't you think that's a slightly different animal?

We did manage to limit the big plays with Evans in that game (4 catches for 46 yards), but when you're rushing 3 every down and rushing 3 that are simply trying to collapse the pocket, not actually trying to break through to the QB creating a scramble opportunity, it puts a LOT of pressure on the DBs.

Manziel could make our DBs cover for 8 seconds if he wanted to, and no DBs can cover for that long.

As an aside, your defense gave up 446 yards through the air against A&M. Ours gave up 346. Manziel was 31-39 against us and 30-39 against you. Point being, Manziel's ability created problems for everyone, and if you chose to play him straight up, with pressure, he was going to make you pay with his feet. Most teams simply tried to make him throw from the pocket, which meant he could sit and wait until a receiver came open, which he regularly did.

 

[121Josey]

Didn't he win the Thorpe Award in 2012? Do they generally give that to corners that aren't that good? Since you have 3 shutdown corners, I can't wait to see all of them win the Thorpe Award.

Was he a consensus all-american? Did he even make the AP, ESPN, or SI 1st teams? He was a great CB, but all things even, he wouldn't start on this team.

He called Calhoun the second coming of himself. So, Jones better plan on being in the Thorpe discussion if he's going to be the best at the end of the year.**

Wictory Wed to the Wescue!

 

[RebelBruiser]

I agree with that. I've already preemptively proclaimed him a bust. He's fast, but that's about it.

I did appreciate in the spring game when Mathers broke a really long run, and Moore made up about 10 yards of ground on Mathers to get him from behind before he scored, but that's about it. He's straight-line speed.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Cody ...

He won stat awards last year. yes, I believe this has been covered. Again, if you would take him, that is fine. I am saying ON A MESSAGE BOARD that I would not take him as I feel his stats greatly outweigh how good he actually is.

Had ONE more interception than Nickoe did last season. AND, Nickoe played hurt most of the year; had ACL Surgery in Dec; Nickoe still finished as the active FBS leader in interceptions with 15.

Over the last three years ... Cody has improved; Nickoe had some injuries; still would not trade Cody for Cox during upcoming season. Compare the Prewitt interception with Cox's in the Egg Bowl.

 

[121Josey]

Just waiting for you to address the rest of the season. How did State give up so many more yards to Manziel but finish 22nd in pass defense? TSUN was 36th. I'll hang up and listen.

 

[The Peeper]

Can't think of one single solitary thing much less multiple things that I would want that would come from that **** hole