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seriously? ***Yea we are so stacked There is just no room for "freakish athletes" 5* All-Americans on this team.
Is he still a 5* All-American after averaging 4 points per game as a freshman in the SEC, then having a pedestrian JUCO season? After his JUCO coach said that he still needs to work on ball-handling and perimeter skills to be able to play D1 basketball?
Why would we sign him when he brings to the table neither of the two areas we desperately need to improve in? I don't care how high he can jump, he can't shoot and can't defend the post. Thankfully we used that spot on a guy who can do both instead of chasing another athletic but undersized 4 who had a lot of stars next to his name two years ago.
Why would we sign him when he brings to the table neither of the two areas we desperately need to improve in? I don't care how high he can jump, he can't shoot and can't defend the post. Thankfully we used that spot on a guy who can do both instead of chasing another athletic but undersized 4 who had a lot of stars next to his name two years ago.
Have you seen Pollard Play? You are a Coach 34 Minion. To say Pollard couldn't help our pitiful *** team is stupid
I tried to find some youtube highlights of Dante and he looks ok. Has a nice SET shot 3 pointer and has some hops and athletic ability. But after the video was done, a Tookie Brown one was on the other videos to watch. That kid is gonna be fun to watch. He's 5 foot nothing, but he is gonna be a player. If there was a highlight video for Dante, I didn't find it. The one I saw had a few plays on it. Not worth linking really.
We need someone who can make a damn 20 foot open shot whether he is an athlete or not. There were guys in the tin gym back in the day that could outshoot anyone on our current team. Those 1/21 or 0/15 from three point range games were brutal to watch this season.
I don't know if
he could or couldn't help our team, but I do know he's a loooooong way from his AA days, and they don't mean **** today.
he could or couldn't help our team, but I do know he's a loooooong way from his AA days, and they don't mean **** today.
Ouch.
I've watched a few clips, but I'm mostly going off the word of his most recent coach who, again, says he needs to improve his shooting and ball-handling to be effective at the upper-D1 level. And I'm not saying in the slightest that I unconditionally wouldn't want him. I would have been thrilled had we been able to sign him Ray's first year, or last year if, hypothetically, it was possibility. But now when we actually have limited roster space, I'm much happier we took a guy who can shoot and defend the post. If we had another spot and Pollard wanted to come, I'd say sign him up in a heartbeat.
I've watched a few clips, but I'm mostly going off the word of his most recent coach who, again, says he needs to improve his shooting and ball-handling to be effective at the upper-D1 level. And I'm not saying in the slightest that I unconditionally wouldn't want him. I would have been thrilled had we been able to sign him Ray's first year, or last year if, hypothetically, it was possibility. But now when we actually have limited roster space, I'm much happier we took a guy who can shoot and defend the post. If we had another spot and Pollard wanted to come, I'd say sign him up in a heartbeat.
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Actually it would have to be Newman's big man 5 star buddy from Milwaukee who we are creating a spot for.
It isn't. He is a 2*/unrated recruit. We can, even in our current state, get that type of perimeter player anytime. We can wait until next spring and get 100 of those guys. Scott may turn out to be something incredible, but as of now no site that has seen him is impressed.
I thought this was going to be about Bear Wilson. Heard he wasn't going back to basketball, despite the insistence of some on this board and others that he would be a solid player for us.
And that mentality is why we suck. So are telling me that there is no room for athleticism on the team. Do you think its possible that maybe he had rough last couple of years because his mom is a nut case? Maybe he needs a good coach to take him under his wing and bring out his potential that is obviously there somewhere.
A rough couple of years because of his mom being crazy? His entire first year at Bama where he barely registered a stat line was before his mom even pulled the little kidnapping scheme.
Which 2 of these 3 would you prefer as your power forwards? All stats are "second year" JUCO stats. Here's a hint -- 2 are the guys we've signed in the past 2 classes that people have widely complained about -- the 3rd is Pollard.
A)
11.9 PPG
19.6 PP40
7.2 RPG
2.2 APG
73.4% FT
52.2% FG
28.6% 3P
14 blocks
29 steals
1.0 A/TO %
B)
12.0 PPG
? PP40
6.3 RPG
1.0 APG
64% FT
59.4% FG
0.0% 3P(0-2)
24 blocks
28 steals
0.6 A/TO %
C)
15.2 PPG
30.7 PP40
6.9 RPG
0.8 APG
75.7% FT
61.7% FG
43.3% 3P(29-67)
26 blocks
33 steals
0.4 A/TO %
We've got 2.5 PF's on the active roster. 3.5 if that's what Black ends up being. That spot is filled at this point....
I would completely agree IF we had another open spot. We had one left (and we had to pull a 2015 scholarship to open it up) that we needed to fill with a shooter. I was not been clear that I would love to have Pollard IF we could spare a spot for him at this point in time. But we made the right choice by taking a guy we know can shoot instead of pursuing Pollard.
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What the 17 are you saying here? We had to pull a 2015 scholarship to open a spot for this coming season? Er??
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I'm sure it's MSU's fault that his mom is crazy -- and he is alot more 3* than 5* in reality. Stansbury would have fixed these problems like he fixed so many off the court issues over the years**
I'm sure next year Pollard will magically "get over" his mom being crazy -- and suddenly learn to dribble and shoot a jumpshot -- and go for 30 and 15 for the Miami Heat...
Pollard is NO BETTER than either 4 we've signed in the last 2 classes. I don't understand why that reality is so inconvenient for people?
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Was it 3 wide open jump shots? Or 4? For his entire highlight video? How many contested jump shots? Hell, the only reason he made those were because guys treated him as a center and backed off.
It's hilarious to me that you are beating the Pollard drum because he can dunk -- and basically advocating that over 40% of our total roster be power forwards. And we are supposed to go on pretending that you actually know basketball after that?
Off the court issues can affect play on the court. I don't understand why that reality is so inconvenient for people? And did I say we needed him when Stans was here? NO I thought we were talking about the depleted grasping for any talent team that we have now. If he gets a fresh start who the hell knows what he could do? At one point SOMEBODY saw some kind of potential in him that is why he was rated so damn high. Please tell me that you don't or ever plan to coach any organized team sport. You have to look past the 17'n surface sometimes you know...I don't understand why that reality is so inconvenient for people?
1- why is he suddenly a 4? Why cant he be a wing?
This is a quote from his JUCO coach when evaluating his game and options next season- "He can't be 6-8, 200 pounds and play inside. He has to have a perimeter, mid-ranged kind of game."
2- I am fine with taking a 3* JUCO player that is athletic, has shown they can impact the college game 2 years prior(once next season starts), has only gotten better, and was a damn 5* McDAA.
Everybody understands it. That reality isn't inconvenient for anyone.
Huh? I just showed you that he's NO BETTER than either power forward that we've recruited in the last 2 classes. That's based on what he's actually done. Not what happened in la-la land and when Paul Jones evaluated him because he was playing for Kemper County and can jump out of the gym.
How many fresh starts does he need before we can figure this out?
Had one at Bama. Struggled. Total scoring contribution equal to somewhere in between Jacoby Davis and IJ Ready last year. Rebounded about like Fred Thomas and worse than Sword. Was 2 of 16 from 3. Transferred out.
Had a second one at Scooba. Was decent. Total contribution slightly less than Travis Daniels and Johnny Zuppardo. Two guys that Ray recruited with no fanfare.
Is probably going to get his third one at Troy -- or may get another shot at a high major somewhere. But no big programs are knocking down his door. He's taken no OVs yet.
A 5* top 20 player in the country off his second year of school should be discussing the NBA lottery out of JUCO. Not having a discussion on whether or not he can be decent at the D1 Level.
That tells us what?
I'm pretty good at that. I was the one that said Thomas was eventually going to turn into a shooter when half the people here wanted him cut. But there is NOTHING there saying that Pollard should have ever been a 5* -- nor is there anything saying he's magically going to dominate D1 after he failed to dominate it the first time -- failed to dominate JUCO -- and his own JUCO coach said he had to learn to shoot and dribble to have a prayer of success at the next level.
I sure hope you don't plan to ever coach at any level when your evaluations of players are simply to see the number of stars assigned to their name and assuming how good they are and what their potential is -- instead of evaluating them yourself -- or even looking at a stat sheet after 2 years in college.
Josh Gray --- we can have this discussion. He's a headcase -- but that kid is tremendous. Pollard -- no.
Did you watch the video? Kid was 0 of 2 from 3 ON THE YEAR in JUCO. At Bama? He was 2 of 16. You really need an explanation of why he can't play the 3? Hell, in the video he has something like 13 dunks, 3 layups, and makes 4 wide open, gimme, uncontested jumpers. People backed off him on the perimeter in JUCO and begged him to shoot. He responded with 2 three point attempts all season.
Exactly.
He's too small to play to his current skill set. His coach just defined that for you.
Has shown this in what way? With his 3.9pt, 3.1reb average while at Bama?
His spot just got taken by Zuppardo. That should tell you all you need to know. We'll see where he ends up and how he performs.
Yes. Prior to Zuppardo's commitment, we had twelve scholarships filled. Two players (Roq and Bloodman) are leaving after the coming season, which would have put us at ten, hence three 2015 commits. After adding a late commit this year, we now will only have two scholarships available for 2015 signees, so we had to drop an offer.
Zuppardo signed with us. He is going to play for us in the upcoming season. Zuppardo will play with Johnson and Bloodman.
You have your seasons all mixed together.
2015 recruits have nothing to do with Zuppardo, unless you are saying that we would have banked that scholarship for next season. If that's what you are saying, you don't get CBB recruiting numbers. We could continue to have 3 committed for 2015 still since there is a good chance someone would leave or be pushed out based on statistics across the country right now.
A wing doesn't have to shoot well from deep. That just means they aren't a lead guard and they aren't a post player. There are essentially 3 positions in college basketball- ball handler, wing, post.
Corey Brewer is terrible at shooting. He is an excellent wing. Go figure. And don't go all engie on me and start spouting off Brewer's 3pt % vs Pollard. Brewer is better, I already know. He is better, but still awful and 3pt shooting is not part of his game for a reason.
Was his spot taken by Zuppardo because he is worse? Or was it taken because of his past? I am not sure how you can claim its for sure because he is worse.
Corey Brewer is terrible at shooting. He is an excellent wing. Go figure. And don't go all engie on me and start spouting off Brewer's 3pt % vs Pollard. Brewer is better, I already know. He is better, but still awful and 3pt shooting is not part of his game for a reason.
Was his spot taken by Zuppardo because he is worse? Or was it taken because of his past? I am not sure how you can claim its for sure because he is worse.
And DJ Gardner was a Parade All American...
No gnashing of teeth when Stans ran him off prior to a game here though. And he put up better stats in JUCO than Pollard did. Makes for quite the interesting double standard...
I'm not blaming Pollard's "hype" simply on Paul or anyone else -- I'm saying all the recruiting sites got it wrong based on pure athleticism shown primarily on dunks and in highlight videos that has never translated to the actual game against decent competition and certainly not at next level. He's not a 5* now -- and if he isn't after 2 years of college -- he never really was -- if we are being honest with ourselves.
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