Smart from OSU just pushed a fan!

[DerHntr]

Damn. That is going to be on an ESPN loop for a while. He fell into the crowd under the goal. He then jumps up and confronts some old, fat white guy. That guy must have said something pretty bad. The old guy then puts one hand in Smart's face and Smart shoves him.

 

[JungRebel]

Loved watching fatass realize he was going to be all over the WWL.

 

[ArcherSPS]

the old guy is a notorious douche at TTU games apparently

 

[ReadyReady]

Where's 'Nardo?

 

[JungRebel]

Fate appointed them.

Eta: tubby smith coaches Texas Tech?

 

[snoopdog]

My wife and I disagree, but I defend Smart here...

the old guy is a notorious douche at TTU games apparently

This fatass deserved it I would almost guarantee you. And I am usually the first to call ******** on the player in this instance. while I defend the right for a fan to be rowdy, there is a limit to what is over the line. You can google this incident and find out the fan is probably a wannabe instigator.

 

[57stratdawg]

 

[FlotownDawg]

Disagree strongly with this

This fatass deserved it I would almost guarantee you. And I am usually the first to call ******** on the player in this instance. while I defend the right for a fan to be rowdy, there is a limit to what is over the line. You can google this incident and find out the fan is probably a wannabe instigator.

Players absolutely can't go into the stands to confront fans. That's how riots get started (see Ron Artest Pacers Pistons brawl from about 10 years ago). If a player attacked every fan who swore at them or called them names, there'd be a fight every game. Smart is a known hothead. Fan could've yelled "You suck Smart" for all we know. Not fair to assume he yelled racial slur or something bad like that.

 

[esplanade91]

Here's how I see this,

If this was an MSU player and he landed in the crowd and when one of the Ole Miss fans treated him like that (they would, even if they try to act like they'd be southern gentlemen) even if he was on this current team, I'd be happy he shoved him. Actually, I would have wished he punched him. Smart is easily the greatest OSU player of all time, so this is like ~Jarvis landing in a crowd. He's not the greatest, but he'd be treated the same way. If Sword landed in the crowd, same ****. Again, I'd all want them to act the same way.

But if Henderson landed in our crowd, we'd do the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if worse happened. We'd be branded as ******** and Henderson would be suspended by the SEC.

It's all relative. If you're a fan of the guy, it was the right move. If you're against the guy, he should be suspended and banned from NCAA sports.

Personally, I'm glad he shoved him. Fans are there to spectate, and anything other than yelling should be rewarded with an ***-kicking. These ***** *** 60 year old fat *** white guys show up to games close to the sidelines yelling everything they can think of because they know these guys can't touch them.

For those of you who aren't aware, Smart is a top 5 pick.

 

[ReadyReady]

No words will justify assault.

Top 5 pick/best player doesn't mean ****. Being pissed is one thing, turning something into a physical altercation is, and has always, something entirely different. Completely indefensible IMO .....

 

[esplanade91]

No words will justify assault.

Top 5 pick/best player doesn't mean ****. Being pissed is one thing, turning something into a physical altercation is, and has always, something entirely different. Completely indefensible IMO .....

Assault? That was hardly a hard shove. Technically I guess you could call that assault, but I see that being a hard case to take to the courts. A shove.

 

[WrapItDog]

Same Fan Here @ 30 secs

 

[57stratdawg]

Maybe you know more than I do about this, but from the video you can't see the fan do anything wrong at all. Plus, it's not like Smart lands in his lap; he gets up and takes two steps towards the fan. Cannot do that at any level.

 

[snoopdog]

******** on assault...

No words will justify assault.

Top 5 pick/best player doesn't mean ****. Being pissed is one thing, turning something into a physical altercation is, and has always, something entirely different. Completely indefensible IMO .....

This fan got what was coming to him. Again, 99 percent of the time I defend the fan. In this case, I believe this fatass got what he was asking for.

 

[tuku 2]

Orr admitted he said something he shouldn't have

 

[ReadyReady]

Yes, assault. Not trying to be technical, just saying that Smart came after the guy and initiated contact. I guess if we're technical about it, that makes it battery and not just assault.

If yelling obscenities at a player is grounds for being shoved by one, I guess I should be glad Chuck Hayes or even Marcus Campbell didn't have Smart's short fuse. If he can't handle people yelling anything they feel like yelling at him during a game, he's probably in the wrong line of work.

 

[ReadyReady]

To clarify, it's not assault because the guy had it coming?

 

[ArcherSPS]

I again think of one word that justifies it

 

[snoopdog]

It wasn't assault because..

To clarify, it's not assault because the guy had it coming?

It was a quick push. If that is assault then we have a big problem with our judicial system. But, from what I read after the fact, the old white man called smart the "n" word. But since I don't want to sugar coat it, apparently he called him a ******. How is that for your little assault argument.

 

[tuku 2]

The guy's a known troll

Assault? Probably. He ran his mouth and got pushed.

 

[snoopdog]

If this is assault, then we have fourth graders...

Assault? Probably. He ran his mouth and got pushed.

Committing "assault " every day on the play ground. ********! If I were an African American player and some white prick called me a ****** from two feet away, he would be lucky that all I did was push him.

 

[ReadyReady]

It's not like I'm trying to have the guy prosecuted. I think both of the characters involved here are clowns, and there's no defending what some people will say at a sporting event.

Just my opinion still, but if a word - even the N word - sets Smart off like this, again, I think he's in the wrong line of work. He can get up and have the guy thrown out of the arena, they can push to have his season tickets revoked, etc. but it's a safe bet that there is a guy just like this in every arena Smart will play in from here on out.

 

[JungRebel]

On the replay Smart, while being restrained by his teammates, is saying "You called me a n*****," pointing at the fan. Hard to say how he should react if that is indeed the case.

Michael Wilbon will explode.

(Or my lip reading skills may not be good. Someone else take a look.)

 

[tuku 2]

I was just going by the definition

FWIW I thought the old guy deserved it
/bitchesgetstitches

 

[snoopdog]

While I honestly believe in your sincerity....

It's not like I'm trying to have the guy prosecuted. I think both of the characters involved here are clowns, and there's no defending what some people will say at a sporting event.

Just my opinion still, but if a word - even the N word - sets Smart off like this, again, I think he's in the wrong line of work. He can get up and have the guy thrown out of the arena, they can push to have his season tickets revoked, etc. but it's a safe bet that there is a guy just like this in every arena Smart will play in from here on out.

I get tired of the "legal" definition of things. If this is assault then I am cyber bullying you right now. That is how ridiculous "assault" is in this case, in my opinion. From a legal perspective, what if I posted a video from you tube of about 20 white kids surrounding a black kid and taunting him and calling him a ******. What if the black kid pushed one of the bullies about the same as smart did. Would this be assault? I am seriously dissappointed in people defending the old man dickhead in this situation. Again, I can assure you, 99% of the time I would rake Smart over the coals.

 

[JungRebel]

Deadspin article: http://deadspin.com/oklahoma-state-star-marcus-smart-shoves-opposing-fan-in-1519195538

 

[ReadyReady]

Didn't mean to get hung up on the word "assault". The only thing I have a prob with, personally, is athletes coming into the stands after people. Call it whatever you want, but that's a line that just can't be crossed IMO.

I originally said "no words justify assault," but I agree the apparent racial element of the guy's comments really pushes that like nothing else could. Even if it were justified, it still makes me nervous as a sane fan who doesn't use racial slurs. If the environment at a game is such that players feel justified in coming after fans, maybe the problem of fans losing their minds or being within reach of the players needs to be addressed first.

 

[JungRebel]

I really don't think this is going to become a common occurrence.

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

What?

I get tired of the "legal" definition of things. If this is assault then I am cyber bullying you right now. That is how ridiculous "assault" is in this case, in my opinion. From a legal perspective, what if I posted a video from you tube of about 20 white kids surrounding a black kid and taunting him and calling him a ******. What if the black kid pushed one of the bullies about the same as smart did. Would this be assault? I am seriously dissappointed in people defending the old man dickhead in this situation. Again, I can assure you, 99% of the time I would rake Smart over the coals.

So, if we aren't going to use the "legal" definition of a "legal" term, then what definition are we going to use?

Yes. He did commit assault. No, you are not cyberbullying. Yes, the kid in the video committed assault. This isn't a difficult concept.

 

[Mjoelner]

Players absolutely can't go into the stands to confront fans. That's how riots get started (see Ron Artest Pacers Pistons brawl from about 10 years ago). If a player attacked every fan who swore at them or called them names, there'd be a fight every game. Smart is a known hothead. Fan could've yelled "You suck Smart" for all we know. Not fair to assume he yelled racial slur or something bad like that.

This X1000! I don't give a **** what the guy said because it doesn't matter what the guy said. The player caused the physical confrontation. According to all of you, Marshall Henderson would have been in the right to jump into the stands and throw punches several times over the past two years. Unbelievable!

 

[archdog]

Didn't mean to get hung up on the word "assault". The only thing I have a prob with, personally, is athletes coming into the stands after people. Call it whatever you want, but that's a line that just can't be crossed IMO.

I originally said "no words justify assault," but I agree the apparent racial element of the guy's comments really pushes that like nothing else could. Even if it were justified, it still makes me nervous as a sane fan who doesn't use racial slurs. If the environment at a game is such that players feel justified in coming after fans, maybe the problem of fans losing their minds or being within reach of the players needs to be addressed first.

I agree with Smart on this one. There is heckling and then there is being an ******* that should get his *** kicked. Smart should have used his pull to get this guys season tickets revoked at TT. Even after the shove. I still don't know why the team doesn't take matters into its own hands with someone sitting in floor seats. One bad pass could allow a player to go wildly diving onto the stands. Once the said player is there, make sure you lead with a punch to the balls or a poorly positioned knee. Make sure you tell him that was for the slurs as you do everything in your power to help the piece of **** up. Then wave your hands in the air for the trainer.

I watched 42 last night. F racist.

 

[Chesusdog]

He should have learned from the Cocaine Cowboy. The correct response is to throw up the double birds.

 

[hatfieldms]

If something racist was said....

....which I'm guessing it was, I don't blame Smart. It blues my mind that people think that just because they are in the stands of a sporting event they can say what they want to these athletes. It is ridiculous

 

[patdog]

That's the key. He went after the fan. The fan didn't shove him first. The announcers were right, that's an easy technical, and the player probably should have been thrown out. Tech should probably take that guy's season tickets away too, or at least move him away from the floor.

 

[DerHntr]

After waking up to the **** storm that I thought I'd see, it appears everyone on TV thinks that he should have been ejected. I don't disagree because it was a bad move on his part and it would have been for his own safety at the end of the game.

No one seems to have an opinion on that jackass fan though. His *** would be on a short leash if I was the AD and I'd consider moving him higher up.

What would y'all do with the fan?

Also, stop with the OM law argument on assault. You 17ing ambulance chasers drive me nuts sometimes.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Is there any proof of what the fan said ?

 

[Dawg1976]

....which I'm guessing it was, I don't blame Smart. It blues my mind that people think that just because they are in the stands of a sporting event they can say what they want to these athletes. It is ridiculous

Agree. But the officials should have ejected Smart because you cant have players going into the stands even though the fan was in the wrong. TT should ban the fan from future bb games. People can't continue crossing the line at sporting events.

 

[hatfieldms]

When smart got in his face....

.....you could see the old man saying " sorry " so he obviously said something

 

[WrapItDog]

Texas Tech Fan Extraordinaire Jeff Orr says this article about the guy.

http://today.ttu.edu/2010/03/texas-tech-basketball-fan-extraordinaire/

 

[Chappy.sixpack]

If they determine what the fan said and it warrants action against him, then do it! But Smart must be suspended and I don't care what the fan said - period! You cannot allow that type of behavior! To use a movie scene...

Picture a player diving into the stands and a fan saying something revolting to him. The player walks over to the fan and shoves him. Ask yourself what should be done?















Now suppose the player is Marshall Henderson