Baseball HOF

[FallAmericanDawg]

Since the announcement is tomorrow, who's on your 10-man ballot for this year?

My choices (in no particular order):
Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Craig Biggio
Frank Thomas
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Tim Raines
Jeff Bagwell
Mike Piazza
Jack Morris

 

[Desoto]

Glad to see there is someone else who gets it. We can't keep ALL the juicers out. Some deserve it. For example Bonds over Big Mac and I'm a Cardinals fan. If juicing was to account for 100% of Bonds' success then I guess I could juice and go crack homers. Bonds had all the tools. Big Mac just hit homers.

 

[Desoto]

It's morons like this that are voting. http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...t-be-unanimous-2014-mlb-hall-of-fame-inductee

 

[chew1095]

This mother 17er should have his voting rights completely stripped. There is not one plausible, rational or defensible argument for why Greg Maddux should not be a first ballot HOF. This clown sucks at his job and life.

 

[Palos verdes]

Bonds juiced himself into the record books. Was it worth it? Was it worth it?**

 

[esplanade91]

Mike Piazza is deserving (was deserving on his first try) but idiots are going to keep him out because there's no evidence that he DIDN'T use roids. Baseball HoF has unfortunately hit a point where it's now a joke.

 

[FallAmericanDawg]

Glad to see there is someone else who gets it. We can't keep ALL the juicers out. Some deserve it. For example Bonds over Big Mac and I'm a Cardinals fan. If juicing was to account for 100% of Bonds' success then I guess I could juice and go crack homers. Bonds had all the tools. Big Mac just hit homers.

Bonds was a phenomenal athlete and was born to be a baseball player. Even before all of the allegations, he was was hitting homers, stealing bases, and playing great defense. He's the only member of the 500-500 club (HR/SB). And even if he did use any sort of PEDs, those can't help you actually hit a baseball (hand-eye coordination), and he did so with a 31-inch bat (MLB average is around 34-36). He's a HOFer without a doubt.

 

[FallAmericanDawg]

Mike Piazza is deserving (was deserving on his first try) but idiots are going to keep him out because there's no evidence that he DIDN'T use roids. Baseball HoF has unfortunately hit a point where it's now a joke.

100% agree on all of that. Piazza is the best offensive catcher in baseball history. He'll get in, I just don't know if this is the year. It'll be between him, Biggio, and Jack Morris for the 4th inductee behind Maddux, Glavine, and Thomas.

 

[esplanade91]

Let me say that Piazza definitely looks like a guy who used steroids (bulging veins, freakishly large forearms) but baseball snobs aren't willing to give a guy the benefit of the doubt. Who gives a **** if he's in the HoF? Put him in! It's a sport built around fans and fans loved (still love) Piazza.

 

[FallAmericanDawg]

Personally, I think he's clean. Like I said, he'll get in, it's just a matter of when. Same scenario with Bonds and Clemens.

What makes me mad about the whole PED thing is that people act like those will turn a fringe average ballplayer into an elite ballplayer, and that's just not the case.

 

[esplanade91]

I agree. And just like Billy Larkin just said on ESPN, Pete Rose has a display at the hall, and Bonds, McGuire, and Clemens likely will too... They aren't members and will never be... But they'll be represented in the hall, which is complete bull ****.

Baseball writers are the most pretentious people on the face of the earth. It's as if they think people 200 years from now will look back and see Piazza in the hall and discredit the whole thing just because he was thought to have done steroids.

 

[FallAmericanDawg]

There are guys in the Hall who have worse character flaws than the alleged PED guys. Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, Charles Comiskey, Cap Anson, the list goes on. The greatest of all-time,Babe Ruth, was a known drunk and womanizer. If those guys got in with the "character clause" as part of the voting process, then the steroid era guys need to get more consideration.

 

[DawgsOnTheWing]

I agree. And just like Billy Larkin just said on ESPN, Pete Rose has a display at the hall, and Bonds, McGuire, and Clemens likely will too... They aren't members and will never be... But they'll be represented in the hall, which is complete bull ****.

Not to hijak the thread, but what do you think about Rose? His on-field accomplishments were completely the result of Peter Edward Rose with no assist from PEDs, but his off-field indiscretions keep him out. I used to not feel this way, but I have come to think that as long as the all-times hits leader is not in the HOF then Cooperstown will have somewhat of a tarnished image.

 

[FallAmericanDawg]

Rose is HOFer, whether or not the league ever lifts that stupid ban.