Wiseman on leaving memfus
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I know it. I’ve seen Dirk rep UK a lot. Would’ve loved to have added him to the BBN. Wiseman made his bed now he has to lie in it. Don’t expect to feel sympathy from anyone when you can’t be your own man, can’t make your own decisions, and can’t see the forest for the trees.
If/when he gets that fat NBA contract, they won’t give a crap and will not have learned anything. The way of the world - no accountability and very few lessons learned.
Just when I think the conversation couldn’t get worse, someone starts talking about politics.
This, Penny took full advantage of this kid to further his own career, knowing full what he was doing was wrong. Wiseman and his family trusted him. Penny flat out lied and decieved them.
I kind of feel sorry for Wiseman, but he made his choice knowing what had happened. So did his family.
Honestly, I doubt he has “studied” anything since 4th grade.
Watching YouTube highlights isn’t studying
Get off the millennials won’t work myth. It’s just not true.No one paid for my tuition or expenses in life. Someone start me a go fund me since I had to work, the four letter word all millenials are scared of.
What kills me, is all the talking boobs on gameday thinks that Wiseman got screwed, because Penny wasn't the coach when he gave Wiseman that money, are they that nieve or are they told what to say by ESPN. The fix was in on firing Tubby, hiring Penny, and getting Wiseman to Memphis long before he received the payment.
If Wiseman came here, those coulds turn into woulds
Penny is a booster
he knew the rules when he gave them the money
his parents had to have known they were breaking NCAA rules by taking money
even at 17/18 you know the difference in right and wrong
i give none of them a pass
he knew the rules when he gave them the money
his parents had to have known they were breaking NCAA rules by taking money
even at 17/18 you know the difference in right and wrong
i give none of them a pass
I don’t give Wiseman a pass, but have no particular ill-will towards him either. He made bad decisions, trusted the wrong guy and paid the price.
Penny on the other hand has built his career off Wiseman and, while Wiseman has lost valuable experience and likely draft stock, Penny seems to have gotten away scot-free. Penny is making millions off a kid he likely cost millions. One is a little more aggravating than the other.
Yep. there is a brain dead moron in every threadJust when I think the conversation couldn’t get worse, someone starts talking about politics.
Career? Not quite...he tried...Penny will be gone soon...Memphis State has never been very bright
i did say Memphis state wasn't very bright (they just got lucky in Cal)
What's that saying? a blind squirrel...
I know what you mean, but Memphis is not devoid of have some success in the tourney before Cal. Cal took them to higher levels though. Great coaches do that.
If you had a Mount Rushmore for the 4 dirtiest, cheatingest coaches in college basketball, Penny Hardaway would be on it. Don't think that a cheater like this cheats only this one time & that's it. You don't think that a top-10 recruit from New York (Moussa Cisse) moved to a **** hole like Memphis to play high school basketball because Memphis is such a wonderful place. Or where the high school he's at now has such great academics. You can take to the bank that Penny & Memphis paid for Cisse to move there.
They would.
But the NCAA is very clear that a loan based on future pro earnings is a violation of amateurism (at least their definition of amateurism). This is the same problem Cliff Alexander ran into at Kansas.
The NCAA was going to make sure the $12K came only from Wiseman or his parents and only through legitimate means. Once it became apparent that they could not pay the NCAA penalty through various bagmen schemes is when Wiseman withdrew from classes.
The tragedy in all this is he would have been eligible at Kentucky even with this payment. So long as it was only this payment.
I personally still don't understand that. What difference does it make that he was a booster or not one. Wiseman and his family moved to Memphis when they clearly couldn't afford to do so. Who does that? Well a potential #1 pick that the college wants to keep near by. We that sounds like the classic definition of receiving a benefit as a player to me. The fact that he even had the opportunity to salvage his eligibility ridiculous. It shouldn't matter that Penny wasn't a booster at the time. The Wiseman family was clearly cashing in on his basketball talents. That should automatically make him ineligible. I still don't understand why he could even do that if Penny wasn't a booster.
Could you imagine if Cal would have gotten Edwards and Wiseman to come here? Too bad other teams cheat. The NCAA really needs to do something about the rampant cheating, but it doesn't look like they will. I mean Penny got caught paying Wiseman and nothing has happened to Penny or Memphis.
I don’t fully understand the rule or the reasoning, but AAU and HS coaches are allowed to provide financial assistance.
Eric Bledsoe’s coach paid his rent. John Wall’s coach covered his travel (only became a problem when the coach certified as an agent).
The problem for Penny/Memphis was that Penny was clearly a booster for Memphis having played there and made large donations to the athletic dept. Even with the moving expenses paid by Penny, Wiseman would have been eligible at 346 of the 347 D1 schools.
There must have been something changed that I missed then. I knew they could cover some expenses related to the high school or team travel. But paying for a kid to relocate to a different school? That doesn't come across as covering expenses to me. That's more of a cash benefit than covering expenses. Someone paying $13k for a recruited athlete to move closer to the school recruiting him so the school has an advantage. I just can't reason that out. That has to be a violation no matter what.
Only for that school (Memphis) though. And only because the payment came from a booster.
I think the NCAA was skeptical that moving expenses would cost $13k. I’ve moved several a few times even across the country and it’s never been near that much.
Same can be said for all athletes that end their collegiate careers. That doesn't negate that they were, nor the time and energy it took to achieve that level.
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The NCAA rules are vague, capricious and "selectively" enforced. The manual, if that's what you call it, is the size of a phonebook. When my niece played at UK I was informed by her Dad that if I visited her on campus that I was not allowed to buy her a meal or even give her a birthday present as it would be a violation. This kind of BS is over the top yet UNC is allowed to get by with fake classes for years.
Depends, some go on to grad school, med school or so forth. Others pursue a professional career in their respective sports, such as what Wiseman is doing. Just because your capabilities limited you to poor career opportunities does not mean that is the only option for everyone else.
United States Air Force was a poor career opportunity. Gotcha! :airplane::americanflag:
I highly doubt you were in the military, but even if so, yes, military careers can be a waste just like any other career choice. All depends on what you did and what you made of it. How many countless homeless or indigent veterans do we have in the USA today?
Well, you're wrong. You have no argument. You just look like a tool. How about I show my retirement certificate signed by the POTUS?
Lol, your anger is telling me I'm not. If you are, you sure aren't representing it very well.
Sure, go ahead. Provide your SSN and mothers maiden name, too, so I can verify you are legit.