Gonzaga got blown out by 20 points by a 3 loss Michigan squad. The rest of their games were against high school teams. The annual Gonzaga love-fest in the polls starts to get old.
AP moves up UK two lousy spots for beating #3
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Rankings mean nothing right now, and please stop with the anti-UK bias nonsense. Some of the fans have such a complex about being disrespected they lack the ability to think rationally. We haven’t been a good team this year, and other than name alone, we don’t deserve arbitrary bumps.
I agree. Just last week our fans were on here saying we sucked and didn't deserve to be in the Top 25. Now that we beat UL, everyone is mad because we aren't #1.
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These will be the 1-2 seeds
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Gonzaga
Kansas
Duke
OSU
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Oregon
Baylor
UL
MSU
UK #3
UNC #8
Memphis #4
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Gonzaga
Kansas
Duke
OSU
2
Oregon
Baylor
UL
MSU
UK #3
UNC #8
Memphis #4
Evansville and Utah beat us, does that mean they should be ranked ahead of us?
You smoked a lot of weed today if you think UNC is making the tournament, MSU is a 2 seed and OSU a 1 seed.
OSU is going to start falling down to earth, their pre season ranking is legit, they just benefited from everyone else sucking early.
MSU isn't getting any healthier. Langford is not coming back this year, they are going to take a beating in the BIG this year.
UNC is going to lose every tough game they play. If they do make the tournament, they'll be a 12 seed.
We won at Washington, at Arizona, we beat Oregon and destroyed North Carolina.. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. You are embarrassing yourself.
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I predicted 17 if teams above us didn’t lose. Not going to jump many if they keep winning
Cats have to beat all the weak sisters of the SEC on the road and win every home game. Texas Tech also a must.
Else don’t expect high poll rank or high NCAA seed.
Cats have to beat all the weak sisters of the SEC on the road and win every home game. Texas Tech also a must.
Else don’t expect high poll rank or high NCAA seed.
Arizona won’t be legit until they fire Sean Miller and Washington is wayy too inconsistent
But we are talking about UK and according the the NCAA Selection Committee 8-9 losses for us usually means a 6-9 seed.
So using your logic, teams like Liberty, San Diego State and Auburn should be the top seeds if the NCAA Tournament started today?
And all records are created equal? Would you say a team from the Sun Belt conference with 5 losses deserves a better seed than Kentucky in the NCAA Tournament?
It's not just about wins and losses, it's about who you have played. Even after playing and beating MSU and Louisville, we have have the 257th SOS out of 355 teams.
Both Arizona and Washington have legit AA candidates / lottery picks too in Manion and Stewart
Yes and I also think we will get dinged for the SEC sucking as a whole. It’s weird that playing in a far weaker conference doesn’t hurt Gonzaga as much as it hurts us.
Correct and honestly, this team wasn't ready to play real games for whatever reason. I'm glad our SOS wasn't any tougher than 257, because 2 bad losses is bad enough, we don't need anymore than that.
That’s not true. Gonzaga rarely loses games in conference play. It's very well known that Gonzaga would drop seed lines if they lost any games in conference play. They know they have to walk the tight rope.
It's media bias against Kentucky they made us lose to Evansville and Utah....please this team is lucky to be ranked in the top 20
But it turns out even that Stephen F Austin loss was not as bad as we originally thought. They're actually pretty good and have a solid NET ranking at 55th.
By comparison, Evansville is 214th.
When the committee gives us a nine seed you can thank the Evansville and Utah games they can use that to drop Kentucky as they want. and if they can get away with it they'll send us to the NIT
The margin for error in conference play is almost 0
The margin for error in conference play is almost 0
I agree that this year your OOC schedule has been up to par, i also think however that in most years the Zags get way to free a pass for how easy their conference schedule is. That being said i do think this year you have a good a shot as anyone to reach the final 4 if i was picking teams right now.
I would honestly hate to be a Gonzaga fan. All your decent games are in November and December and then boom, almost 3 months of garbage before the big dance.
That can’t help to play such awful teams for that long and then try to make a run in the tourney.
That can’t help to play such awful teams for that long and then try to make a run in the tourney.
Oregon, Washington, and Arizona are pretty good high school teams. oh and I forgot North Carolina they may be a high school team.
I think we all understand it's not just about records especially considering schools not in the Power 5 conferences. However, the SEC and ACC are equal or at least a lot closer than the SEC and a smaller conference. My point is UNC and Duke have seem to get the benefit of the doubt come seeding time despite the amount of losses where as Kentucky does not get that same advantage. Just look at the 3 previous years.
2017
Kentucky 29-5
Conf Reg & Tournament Champ
Head to Head win vs UNC
11 game win streak heading into the tourney
2 SEED
UNC 27-7
No Conf Championship
1 SEED
2018
Kentucky 24-10
Conf Tournament Champ
5 SEED
UNC 25-10
Loss to Wofford, Miami & NC State at HOME
No Conf Championship (11-7 in conference)
2 SEED- ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
2019
Kentucky 27-6
Head to Head win vs UNC
2 SEED
UNC 27-6
Loss at HOME to UL by 21 points
No Conf Tourney Champ
1 SEED
Show me a team out of the 256 teams ahead of us that have played the # 1, 2, & 3 (at the time) ranked teams in their first 12 games? and we went 2-1 in those games.
Yes, the other games have not been world beaters and lost 2 games we shouldn't, but there isn't much difference with teams between 75-200 in the net rankings in the sense where a good Top 25 team should win those games. However, in the computer rankings and SOS in regards to all these different models weight it as a huge difference. And as Duke and UNC has shown, it doesn't matter who you lose to, it's about who you beat.
How many teams have better wins than the 2 Kentucky has right now with Mich St and UL?
Why are you still using Michigan State in your argument like they were actually a legit #1 team? Why? They are barely top 25 and without Langford, they will never sniff the top 5 the rest of the season.
You asked me to Show you a team out of the 256 teams ahead of us that have played the # 1, 2, & 3 (at the time) ranked teams in their first 12 games? and we went 2-1 in those games… . now I want you to show me another top 25 team with a home loss as bad as Evansville PLUS a second loss to a team as bad as Utah. I'll wait right here while you look.
UK lost a tight one on a neutral floor to Ohio State (who just lost to West Virginia) and eeked out a win at home over #3 Louisville. Cool, I'm not much into losses, but I guess the OSU loss was okay [sick]and yeah, beating Louiville is a really good win, but come on, don't try to pass off the Michigan State win as a win over a #1 team because some dudes thought they would be something they are not.
When you lose at home to Evansville, then follow it up with a loss to a god awful Utah team, you get what you deservel losses to OSU and a win over an overrated MSU team won't wash them away.
The Louisville win was a step in the right direction.
"At the time" means nothing. In fact, the AP rankings always mean nothing.
The only rankings that matter are the current NET rankings, and Michigan State is merely 19th ...so who cares where some sportswriters taking guesses put them pre-season.
The current NET rankings that have Mich St 19th, but Kentucky 41st? How are they 22 spots higher? or the likes of Wisconsin, Rutgers, BYU & Minnesota well ahead of Kentucky as well without better wins and just as many or more losses. I know it's early, but this is what I don't like about the computer models just as much as people don't like the AP polls early in the season.
FSU- Losses to Pitt & Indiana without a win against a Top 25 team is 24th in NET rankings
Virginia- Blowout loss to Villanova and a HOME lost to South Carolina
Texas Tech- Losses to Creighton, Iowa, & Depaul in a row. They loss 3 games in a row.
Also, if a loss to a team like Evansville is so crippling then how does Duke move up back to #2 in the AP poll from 10th after only 6 wins with 5 of those against mid-tier teams at best and Mich St after their loss to SFA? No one even discusses that game anymore.
UNC got a 2 seed in 2018 with 10 losses with 7 of those in conference and losses to Wofford, Miami & NC State at HOME. Do you think Kentucky would get that treatment?
Because wins over the likes of Fairleigh Dickinson, Utah Valley, Lamar, EKU and Mount St. Mrys do nothing to help you in the NET. And a loss to 214th ranked Evansville will cause your NET number to take a huge drop.
Michigan State has played a considerably better overall schedule with fewer bottom rung dregs. And losses to Duke and UK do not cause your NET to drop nearly as far as losses to Evansville and Utah.
I think Cal may need to re-think how we schedule with the NET now being so important to seeding. There's no NET upside to playing those bottom of the barrel schools that we've loading up on in recent years, and a loss to one crushes your NET number.
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You’re kidding right? Florida State lost to Pitt, Virginia lost to South Carolina and Villanova, Texas Tech lost to Creighton… .. how in the world are any of those losses anywhere near close to a home loss to Evansville and a loss to Utah. Are you not understanding how bad those losses are?
You're probably one of those that told me and several others to pipe down after the Utah loss because we were "complaining" about losing and we shouldn’t do that, because we will be better in March and also because December losses don't count. Well, they do count and people like you are now seeing the damage that those awful losses caused.
Lastly, you asked why Duke is #2 after their loss to SFA and we fell to 19. Are you not paying attention? I mean, how do you not get this? Duke fell to #10 after their SFA loss, we fell to #9 after the Evansville loss. Fair enough right? Do you not know what happened after that? You do realize we followed that Evansville loss with a loss to a terrible Utah team, then lost the next game to Ohio State. NOBODY should be complaining about our #19 ranking.
Do you know what Duke did after their loss to SFA? Yeah, they didn't lose bad games. In fact, tgey haven’t lost at all. They also went into East Lansing and totally ripped Michigan State a new butthole, then went to Virginia Tech and smoked them by 14. So you tell me, where would you rank them? Everyone is losing.
If UK didn’t drop two games in a row after the Evansville loss, they would be sitting at #2.
Stop looking at everything through blue glasses, we're lucky we're even ranked and Duke is where they should he. Comparing losses to Pitt and Villanova to losses to Evansville (at home) and Utah is really bad.
Since their loss at home to Duke, they have played Rutgers, Oakland, Northwestern, Eastern Michigan, & Western Michigan (4 of these are 175 and higher in the NET rankings). The only notable games other than their losses are UCLA and UGA, which are both terrible. If the computers like Mich St schedule and wins and losses 22 spots better than Kentucky, then that ranking system is broken IMO.
The computers have made it so analytical where some teams can work the system to their advantage without having to be truly tested and are able to get a better ranking or seed without passing eye test
Jeez, you make it sound like even the computers are out to get us. Look, the NET is a completely objective system, it has no bias, I'll take it over the votes of some fatass sportswriters any day.
And everybody knows the rules, the only way to "work the system" is play good teams, which seems fair to me. The No. 1 way to rise in the NET is to beat teams with higher NET rankings, and the No. 1 way to fall is to lose to teams with a lower NET number.
And, unfortunately, we have a whopper of a bad one with a loss to 214th ranked Evansville. It takes quite a few wins to regain the ground ceded by a loss to No. 214.
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The problem with your theory is, Michigan State didn't lose to any of those bad teams you listed. We did. That's the thing you keep leaving out of your comments. Both programs played a bunch garbage teams, but the difference is, we lost to two of those bad teams, MSU didn’t.
Their losses are at least to respectable teams. How do you not get this?
If Michigan State lost to Evansville and Utah, you would lose your mind if they weren't outside the top 50 in NET ratings.