AP moves up UK two lousy spots for beating #3

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I disagree. BYU and especially SMC are better this year than previous years. Gonzaga has 2 games against both in conference. Also Santa Clara, Pacific and San Francisco have teams capable of beating the Zags, especially on the road. I think they lose 3-4 conference games this year.
LOL what a list of crap teams.
 
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toddadams1980

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I don’t care about ranking right now! Let’s see where we stand going into selection Sunday. If we continue to have good ball movement and play the D we are capable of it will sort itself out. Having said that since we both have 3 loses and we have beaten Michigan St and have a another top 5 win we should be ahead of them.
 
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But we are talking about UK and according the the NCAA Selection Committee 8-9 losses for us usually means a 6-9 seed. :mad:

Agreed but it's possible depending on what others do. Purdue was a 3 with a 23-9 record last year, if we have 6-8 losses we are in the 1-3 seed line, depending on outcome of other teams seasons. So 3-5 more losses to answer the question of to get a 2-3 seed. The 2 seeds last year had 5,6,6,6 losses. The 1 seeds had 3,3,5,6
 

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But we are talking about UK and according the the NCAA Selection Committee 8-9 losses for us usually means a 6-9 seed. :mad:
Simply not true, in 2018 we were 24-10 and a 5 seed, 2016 26-8 a 4 seed and 2011 25-8 a 4 seed.

The only time since Cal has been here we have been less that a 5 seed we were 24-10 in 2014 and got the 8 seed. So saying 8-9 losses means a 6-9 is entirely fictitious.

Not to mention this year there will be few if any power 5 teams with less than 5 losses.
 
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Agreed. To earn a 2 seed you have to have 2 seed talent and I am not sure this Kentucky team has 2 seed talent. Hard to lose those 2 games Utah and especially Evansville at home and believe you have 2 seed talent. This team reminds me a lot of the teams that were in the 4/5 seed range for Kentucky in the past few years.
Are you serious are are you just trolling?
 

Bratkartoffeln

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and that after dropping UK 13 spots last week. The AP poll is a total sham and the past 2 weeks are clear examples of Anti UK bias:

https://apnews.com/APTop25CollegeBasketballPoll
Yes, all polls are shams and virtually inconsequential, other than telling some guy in Boise or a recruit in Texas that Kentucky is pretty good. That said, we deserve any blatant disrespect possible, when you are absolutely all over the map in terms of play, and when you lose to two teams about 49 of the last 50 Kentucky teams would have beaten easily. If our guys are worthy, they'll keep moving up. At this point, it's one half and one game at a time...the hole has been dug, now we need to get out of it.
 
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I figured there would be some BS like putting us 15th instead of around 12th where I thought we deserved to be, but 17th after beating #3 LMFAO. Had it been Dook with the same record etc.. they would have moved up at least 8 spots. Mich St with 3 losses at 14th is crazy and Michigan with 3 losses at 12th LOL. Michigan moved way too far up and then got blown out and their UNCheat win doesn't look so impressive now. 2 wins against the Top 5 and 17th is a joke. Especially only moving up 2 spots after taking down #3. That's UK and the voters for you though.
 

Ben101er

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Yeah, some people, for some reason, expected us to jump up to the 13th spot. Even Matt Jones thought we would.

What are these people smoking? Even if we won @ Louisville, we wouldn't jump 6 spots. It just doesn't work that way when you just lost 2 in a row and everyone still remembers Evansville. Nobody is going to forget the Evansville and Utah losses. This is one of the reasons I have been voicing my opinion the last couple of weeks. The Utah loss did it for me. Those two bad losses are going to really sting. All games matter and we gave the voters AND the tournament committee reasons to knock us down however many seed lines they want. There is no reason why we should be losing games to teams like that, not with the backcourt we have and not with a "Hall Of Fame" coach. Now, we're getting exactly what we deserve.

Yeah, Duke lost to SFA, but they didn't follow it up with a loss to Utah.

Lastly, yes, we beat Louisville and everyone feels all warm and fuzzy inside, but it was at home and we still showed we have a lot of flaws.

I hate it, but it is what it is.

Still a ray of sunshine? Santa must have put a lump of coal in your stocking. Kidding aside, I thought we might move up 3 or 4 spots, but the real issue I have is UofL just dropping 4 spots. Auburn should be ranked ahead of them.
 
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It's funny Evansville is a Quad 4 loss for us which is bad, but FHD is only a Quad 2 loss for Dook. We both lost at home and to bad teams. FHD hasn't beaten anyone but Dook and lost to Rutgers and a bad Bama team and are 8-2. Evansville is 8-4. I mean they are both really bad it's just funny how 1 is a quad 4 and the other is a Quad 2 loss. FHD has only been beating teams with a NET around 250-300+ just like Evansville. The NET is really strange. I get the basic concept, but it seems like you are punished much harsher then you are rewarded. edit: Sorry meant SFA not FHD.

Utah is 62nd ahead of Virginia and teams like TN. So if people thought that was a bad loss we really better not lose to any SEC team besides maybe AUB, LSU, FL or ARK. We really need AUB to stay hot and beat them @AUB again this year for a big boost in the NET.
 
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Ben101er

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After seeing the coaches poll, that is just about where I thought we and UofL would be. They have us at 14 and UofL at 8 , with Auburn just ahead of them, at 7.
 
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Simply not true, in 2018 we were 24-10 and a 5 seed, 2016 26-8 a 4 seed and 2011 25-8 a 4 seed.

The only time since Cal has been here we have been less that a 5 seed we were 24-10 in 2014 and got the 8 seed. So saying 8-9 losses means a 6-9 is entirely fictitious.

Not to mention this year there will be few if any power 5 teams with less than 5 losses.
You failed to mention we won the conference tournament those 3 years as well.

What do you think UNC or duke would have been seeded with those same records and as the champ of their conference tournament? I’ll hang up and listen..
 
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Ohio State is a crappy team? I think you didn’t mean to comment that?
Not talking about OSU, but Evansville and Utah are definitely “crappy”. Those 2 losses will keep us out of the top 10 until we rattle off about 10 wins in a row.

Did you seriously not realize who the 2 teams were that I was talking about?o_O
 

kyjeff1

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I don’t care about ranking right now! Let’s see where we stand going into selection Sunday. If we continue to have good ball movement and play the D we are capable of it will sort itself out. Having said that since we both have 3 loses and we have beaten Michigan St and have a another top 5 win we should be ahead of them.
Why should we be ahead of Michigan State? This is a joke right?

Just because someone has tge same amount of losses doesn’t mean both teams are equal.

MSU lost to UK, Duke and Virginia Tech. Nothing wrong with losing to any of those three teams.

UK lost to Evansville at home, Utah and Ohio State.

You can't look at those losses and think both teams should be rated the same.

Let me be clear, losing games to Evansville and Utah SHOUOD mean you fall out of the rankings and don't come back until you reel off a bunch of impressive wins.

We won a game at home in overtime that we were favored in. Big deal.
 

kyjeff1

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Still a ray of sunshine? Santa must have put a lump of coal in your stocking. Kidding aside, I thought we might move up 3 or 4 spots, but the real issue I have is UofL just dropping 4 spots. Auburn should be ranked ahead of them.
UL just took a very talented and desperate team to overtime on their home court, they are where they belong.

If it was reversed and we lost an OT game on the road, we would be pissed if we dropped at all, let alone 2 spots.

Here we are complaining that we're not top 12 when we have two of the most embarrassing losses of the season on our record.
 

kyjeff1

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After seeing the coaches poll, that is just about where I thought we and UofL would be. They have us at 14 and UofL at 8 , with Auburn just ahead of them, at 7.
Auburn has yet to play anyone with a pulse, they shouldn't be top 10.
 

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You failed to mention we won the conference tournament those 3 years as well.

What do you think UNC or duke would have been seeded with those same records and as the champ of their conference tournament? I’ll hang up and listen..
It’s widely known they have the bracket done before the SEC Championship game.
 
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toddadams1980

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Why should we be ahead of Michigan State? This is a joke right?

Just because someone has tge same amount of losses doesn’t mean both teams are equal.

MSU lost to UK, Duke and Virginia Tech. Nothing wrong with losing to any of those three teams.

UK lost to Evansville at home, Utah and Ohio State.

You can't look at those losses and think both teams should be rated the same.

Let me be clear, losing games to Evansville and Utah SHOUOD mean you fall out of the rankings and don't come back until you reel off a bunch of impressive wins.

We won a game at home in overtime that we were favored in. Big deal.
I guess it’s just a matter ir opinion. But we also have a better win than they do.
 

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The problem with all this griping is we did it to ourselves. Don’t lose at home to Evansville and we’re not even having this conversation.
 
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Duke inches up to 2. First time they beat Boston College or Miami on the road they'll jump Gonzaga because it'll be a gutty win on the road and a great coaching effort with such a young team. If they lose they'll stay at 2 because it was a tough road loss against a good team. College basketball and the media that covers it are the most corrupt organizations there is period.

They aren't corrupt. They're just plain friggin stupid. But we did, after all, lose to Evansville.
 

BigKari

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3 loss Michigan State is ranked ahead of UK. Absolutely no explanation for that.
 

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Can’t lose to 2 crappy teams and expect to climb back into the top 10 in a week. Those 2 losses will make it where we have to win many more in a row to get back to the top of the polls.





You can do it if you’re dook or ucheat. I’m not sure that Mich and Mich State deserves to be where they are ranked.
 

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3 loss Michigan State is ranked ahead of UK. Absolutely no explanation for that.

There is an explanation for it. Their losses aren’t nearly as bad as our losses. Yeah, we beat them. But the explanation is simple. We lost to Evansville and Utah.

Net rankings have Kentucky at #44 and MSU at #19.

The good news is this is all meaningless right now
 

Blueaz

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yea. Can’t ***** about only moving up 2 spots after beating #3 at home in OT when ya get beat by two ****** teams prior. The rankings are a reflection of total body of work to this point. I would’ve guessed they’d move up to 14-15 but it’s whatever. Just keep winning.
Wow.
who wooda thunk it? Having a couple of bad losses will hurt a teams ranking
And Cal hasn’t won a tiitle without....:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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kyjeff1

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3 loss Michigan State is ranked ahead of UK. Absolutely no explanation for that.
Because they have 3 losses like we do? Is that why you think they should be ranked 17th or worse?

Did they lose to Evansville and/or Utah type teams?

Here's a hint, the answer is NO. Their losses are to really good teams. 2 of our 3 losses are to below garbage teams.
 

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Worse than i thought lol

Preseason rankings matter. Early rankings matter. Hot L’s matter.

How the team plays matters.

Cant shoot dont score matters.
 

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Naw it only drives unstable people nuts. Every single coach me and my friends have played for in HS and college could care less about where someone puts them in a early poll.

even if he did I’m sure he has above average intelligence to understand that he lost too two teams they had no business losing to then beating a higher ranked team who they were favored to win against and expect to move up much

These are the things that drive me.

I’m sure it drives Calipari, too.

Middle fingers to Forde, Thamel, Bozich and any other non-objective voter.
 
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