Mac McClung at Georgetown

kl40504_rivals

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Truth? His skin color. That being said he is a 5’11 shooting guard. There’s no way he’s remotely close to 6’2 and he has no discernible point guard skills. But he is flat out awesome. But I definitely think there was an element of racism regarding his low ranking.
He is much closer to 6'2" than 5'11. I am 6' and I have stood beside him and he is definitely close to 6'2.
 
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TheOtherGreatOne

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Yes and it worked out well for him. Sometimes it does and sometimes, well this

Ervin Stepp from Phelps High School in Pike County holds the national high school two-year scoring record with a 50.3 average.


he started out at EKU, transferred to a lower level as competition was too stiff there
I remember Ervin Stepp, and there is a big difference between Ervin Stepp and McClung
 
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JC CATS

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I remember Ervin Stepp, and there is a big difference between Ervin Stepp and McClung
The great benefit we have is we have seen how they can do. What 3 star should Cal take this coming season? I will be impressed if you can tell me the 3 star that is going to burst on the scene next year
 
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JDHoss

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Mac should have went to ETSU. The Bucs would be 12-1 with only a close loss at Kansas and would wreck the rest of the SoCon with him. FAAAAARRRRR STEVE FORBES!!!1!
 

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Mac should have went to ETSU. The Bucs would be 12-1 with only a close loss at Kansas and would wreck the rest of the SoCon with him. FAAAAARRRRR STEVE FORBES!!!1!
Mac is much better at Georgetown. Since he will probably never play in the NBA he wanted an education from the best University possible. That is the main reason he chose Georgetown with influence from his parents. His father is a Judge and his mother is a teacher.
 
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ukalum1988

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Maybe Cal should have looked at this kid. A three star guard from a small town in Southwest Virginia. He is a sophomore and has averaged 25 points per game in the last five games (all wins) and has been named Big East player two weeks in a row. He is the all time leading scorer in Virginia High School basketball. Sometimes the stars don't mean everything.
Late to the thread, but if Cal doesn’t see a kid as a OAD he ain’t gonna recruit him, except maybe to bolster the teams GPA / graduation rate.
 

Catzman

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Impressive for him.

But what are we supposed to do, start recruiting every 3 star too on the off chance they turn into a Mac Mclung? Wed run into duds 20 times to every 1. Its impressive and he was under rated as a recruit for being a 6'2 white kid despite his hops. But I'm not wanting Cal to stop going after the best of the best just for a diamond in the rough. There are thousands of players who put up stupid high numbers in high school and do jack in college.

And Cals already recruiting multi year players. Juzang. Allen. Flecher. Herro and Booker and SGA were recruited to be multi year players. Players we want to be multi year players from Kentucky like Kyky Tandy or whatever dont want to come here and ride the bench. It's a damned if you do and damned if you dont situation.
 

JDHoss

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Mac is much better at Georgetown. Since he will probably never play in the NBA he wanted an education from the best University possible. That is the main reason he chose Georgetown with influence from his parents. His father is a Judge and his mother is a teacher.

I was being facetious. The Bucs still have a nice team regardless. If they can win the SoCon tournament, they could be a scary 1st round matchup for someone.
 

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But I'm not wanting Cal to stop going after the best of the best just for a diamond in the rough.

Once again, it is not an either/or choice. Have you guys not noticed that we left three extra open scholarships this season? And that we leave extras open nearly every year?

Cal does not have to "stop going after the best of the best" to occasionally take a chance on a potential diamond in the rough. He can do both, he's just choosing not to (for the most part).
 
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TFCat11

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Obviously Cal, Roy, K, and Self should all be fired. Pretty easy to see none of them know how to recruit since every one of them chose to have an underperforming 5* instead of McClung.
Finally, someone who recognizes the importance and gravity of the situation! We’ll call it, The McClung Massacre! Off with their heads I say!
 

JASUN74

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Problem is those 3 star kids want to play from day 1. They don’t want to wait around a year or two for their shot. It’s not as easy as offer and they will come. They’d rather go where they will get the immediate playing time. Times have changed, this isn’t the 80s and 90s anymore. The days of playing sparingly freshman and sophomore years and contributing junior and senior years are few and far between. These kids want to play, not ride the pine at a major program. That’s what people seem not to understand.

I hear what you’re saying, but out of the thousands of kids playing High School Basketball every year, they’re definitely a few that would give everything for a chance to come to Kentucky’s Basketball Program and develop into a good player. . I mean that’s how 90% or more of the other Schools have to do it, we should be able to talk one here and there to come here.

It is what it is I guess with the highly ranked kids, who’s people are telling them they’re the best ever walked and they are NBA BOUND. LOL. It’s the other kid who wants to work for it that we need here and work for a spot.

Just my thoughts about it, it’s not going to happen but I’d just personally rather have a big Junior or Senior who’s fought for three or four years to get his time than having three or four unused Scholarships every year!! It’s almost a crime to not use every one you can!! Somewhere out there is a couple Kids who have dreamed of playing at UK. I would bet everything that if we were allowed to fill 50 spots every year we could fill every one of them.
 
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kl40504_rivals

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I was being facetious. The Bucs still have a nice team regardless. If they can win the SoCon tournament, they could be a scary 1st round matchup for someone.
They have a very good team and a very good coach. I am afraid that this may be Forbes last year at ETSU. He will be in high demand soon.
 

JC CATS

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Obviously Cal, Roy, K, and Self should all be fired. Pretty easy to see none of them know how to recruit since every one of them chose to have an underperforming 5* instead of McClung.
What about Bennett? He is from Virginia and if he went there they would probably bust out for like 60 points now and again
 

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Once again, it is not an either/or choice. Have you guys not noticed that we left three extra open scholarships this season? And that we leave extras open nearly every year?

Cal does not have to "stop going after the best of the best" to occasionally take a chance on a potential diamond in the rough. He can do both, he's just choosing not to (for the most part).

Filling those 3 spots with a bunch of projects means we have less room for elite prospects the following year. That means if we have players who underperform or get injured or whatever and decide to stay, we have to monitor who we go after the following year. Do you really want a couple projects in place of, say, Banchero deciding to reclassify?

Hagans
Quickley
Maxey
Juzang
Allen
Whitney
Brooks
Sestina
Montgomery
Richards

Assume we lose Maxey, Sestina, and 3 of Hagans/Quickley/Whitney/Brooks/Montgomery/Richards. Thats 5 scholarships. But it could honestly be as low as 3 or as high as 8. But let's say 5. We have 6 commits for next year meaning we have 2 free spots. Were still after Brown, Banchero, Omoruyi (spelling) Kuminga reclassifying, etc plus theres always late bloomer, unexpected reclass, and grad transfer. You want to limit all those options to a no name 3 star on the off chance they do anything?

And it's not to say Cal hasnt tried. Baker transferred. Green transferred. Juzangs young. Allen is hurt. SGA blew up. Herro blew up. Booker blew up. And we have a few guys next year in Ware, Fletcher and Askew who aren't considered OAD guys. I'd rather have Quickley, Hagans, Poythress, WCS type multi year guys than diving all the way down to 3 star shots in the dark. I'm all for multi year guys too but the chances of Mac Mclung being that good that fast are slim.
 
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I hear what you’re saying, but out of the thousands of kids playing High School Basketball every year, they’re definitely a few that would give everything for a chance to come to Kentucky’s Basketball Program and develop into a good player. . I mean that’s how 90% or more of the other Schools have to do it, we should be able to talk one here and there to come here.

It is what it is I guess with the highly ranked kids, who’s people are telling them they’re the best ever walked and they are NBA BOUND. LOL. It’s the other kid who wants to work for it that we need here and work for a spot.

Just my thoughts about it, it’s not going to happen but I’d just personally rather have a big Junior or Senior who’s fought for three or four years to get his time than having three or four unused Scholarships every year!! It’s almost a crime to not use every one you can!! Somewhere out there is a couple Kids who have dreamed of playing at UK. I would bet everything that if we were allowed to fill 50 spots every year we could fill every one of them.
The 90% of other schools who do it that way don’t go to 7 elite 8s in 10 years or 4 final fours either tho. You can’t have your cake and eat it to. Times have changed, young kids mentality isn’t like it was when that used to be how it was done. You either have to adapt with the times or be left behind. Cal has adapted and for good reason, fans can complain all they want but it is what it is.
 
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JASUN74

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The 90% of other schools who do it that way don’t go to 7 elite 8s in 10 years or 4 final fours either tho. You can’t have your cake and eat it to. Times have changed, young kids mentality isn’t like it was when that used to be how it was done. You either have to adapt with the times or be left behind. Cal has adapted and for good reason, fans can complain all they want but it is what it is.
Again, you make some great points, I’m just saying the only reason is because Cal isn’t trying to get those kids. Not because we couldn’t get one to come here. Just too many to say every single player thinks exactly the same way. Shoot , I’ve got 4 Nephews around that age and all four are night and day different in every way. Surly to god one or two kids out of thousands would want to come to the University of Kentucky to play Basketball!! Even if they knew they’d have to work for it!

I’ll just chalk it up to my opinion I guess. You have a good one brother. Going in for seconds before they start putting it in the fridge. Haha. Merry Christmas to you.
 
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One really amazing/curious thing about the last decade is this: we’ve had teams full of 5 star players who are typically told the sun revolves around them since they were in the 5th grade. They come here and minutes, points and everything are less than they’re used to or what they could have had at just about any other school. And despite that mix, which could be toxic, we’ve had very very few chemistry issues in Cal’s time. It’s amazing, and no one really makes the point.

You think maybe he doesn’t often go after 3 and 4 stars and the reason he lets scholarships go unused has something to do with that? I’ve spent enough time in AAU now to know even 3 and 4 star kids have to be managed. It’s likely hard enough dealing with the egos and entourages of the 5 star kids.

Just musing really......
 
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I live near Gate City. I've been a Kentucky fan for 50 years and understand our talent level. Mac is high energy and could play significant minutes on this team. However, Cal would never look at a three star four year player.

Love the ChurchHill, TN area and have some good friends that work at Eastman. I think that these are the kind of kids that UK is truly missing and the fans love to cheer for within the program.
 

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Problem is those 3 star kids want to play from day 1. They don’t want to wait around a year or two for their shot. It’s not as easy as offer and they will come. They’d rather go where they will get the immediate playing time. Times have changed, this isn’t the 80s and 90s anymore. The days of playing sparingly freshman and sophomore years and contributing junior and senior years are few and far between. These kids want to play, not ride the pine at a major program. That’s what people seem not to understand.


This isn’t entirely accurate. A 3 star kid isn’t going to come in immediately and start on tons teams that have Jr and Sr 3* and 4* guys. Granted it’s different than places like UK, Duke, KU etc but still...
 

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My gripes w/ Cal are few and far between, but this might be the one that irks me the most. Passing on recruiting a lot of really good COLLEGE players!

Yeah, UK obliviously needs the elite talents, but there’s always room for the McClung’s of the world.

I’d honestly trade straight up, him for one of Cal’s 5* this season.

there's more than 1 of the current 5 stars that that fit that description

There's 2 in the current group of high school seniors in KY that could play & contribute for UK, but neither got much of a glance
 
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bnewt

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Jeez, man, you are missing the point people are making in this thread. NOBODY is saying we should recruit three stars instead of five stars. Instead, it's whether we should occasionally do so instead of leaving extra available spots EMPTY.

This year we have only nine healthy scholarship players on our roster (at least until Allen returns). That poses a potentially serious depth problem. And the only reason we have that problem is because Cal chose to leave three extra scholarships unused.

Other power programs deal with that issue by occasionally offering lower ranked guys in addition to their higher ranked guys, NOT instead of. And that's often worked out well, not just by providing depth, but by some who develop into outstanding players.

But Cal is far less willing to do so. Seems he'd rather have a thin roster.

The 5 stars look good on paper, but most, if not all high school kids are lacking the fundamentals. All they care about is the high flying dunk. "Basketball" players must be added to balance out the ones that can do nothing but dunk. That is the current problem, lack of fundamentals, which includes being able to shoot. If you can't score, you can't win.
 
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I saw him last year against Fern Creek. He is a freak athlete with great leaping ability and handles. I dont know why he was only a three star . Maybe his shot was not very good idk. I thought he looked like a very good player and a future pro to me.
 

wildcatdon

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Cal would never look at a 3 star player. When he gets a 4 star he never plays them or runs them off. They usually leave because they never play. Leash is too short. Cal’s system is flawed because doesn’t recruit the type of players to run it. Our point guard needs to be super quick and a decent shooter and be able to contain a dribbler. Fox and Ulis and Teague late in the season were the only ones who could do that. SGA late also but the roster is too imbalanced. No viable post players. Cal is too stubborn and inflexible for his own good.
 

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Cal would never look at a 3 star player. When he gets a 4 star he never plays them or runs them off. They usually leave because they never play. Leash is too short. Cal’s system is flawed because doesn’t recruit the type of players to run it. Our point guard needs to be super quick and a decent shooter and be able to contain a dribbler. Fox and Ulis and Teague late in the season were the only ones who could do that. SGA late also but the roster is too imbalanced. No viable post players. Cal is too stubborn and inflexible for his own good.
Too stubborn and inflexible but named coach of the decade. Sounds like an oxymoron to me.
 
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TortElvisII

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Maybe Cal should have looked at this kid. A three star guard from a small town in Southwest Virginia. He is a sophomore and has averaged 25 points per game in the last five games (all wins) and has been named Big East player two weeks in a row. He is the all time leading scorer in Virginia High School basketball. Sometimes the stars don't mean everything.

Cal hater.
 

TFCat11

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there's more than 1 of the current 5 stars that that fit that description

There's 2 in the current group of high school seniors in KY that could play & contribute for UK, but neither got much of a glance
Yes! That’s why I’m excited to see D. Allen get some clock SOON! Scoring machine extraordinaire!
 

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Name me 10 3-star players that would have contributed for us by the end of their Sophomore years (well past our fanbases expectations, mind you).. and I'll name you 500 that wouldn't.
Well lets see Xavier Tillman-Michigan State/ Corey Kispert- Gonzaga / Luka Garza -Iowa / Zhaire Smith-Texas Tech / Nicholas Claxton-Georgia / Naz Carter-Washington / Jamal Bey-Washington / Christian Bishop-Creighton / Tyrese Haliburton-Iowa State / Mac McClung-Georgetown / Rylan Jones-Utah / Caleb Mills-Houston / Joel Ayeye-Gonzaga / Zach Norville Jr.-Gonzaga / Yoeli Childs-BYU / Carson Edwards-Purdue / Jalen McDaniels-San Diego State / Killian Tillie-Gonzaga / Cameron McGriff-Oklahoma State. That's a lot more than 10 that could contribute at Kentucky. There are players all over the country that can play, even if you think there is not, unless they have 5 stare listed by their name.
 
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Well lets see Xavier Tillman-Michigan State/ Corey Kispert- Gonzaga / Luka Garza -Iowa / Zhaire Smith-Texas Tech / Nicholas Claxton-Georgia / Naz Carter-Washington / Jamal Bey-Washington / Christian Bishop-Creighton / Tyrese Haliburton-Iowa State / Mac McClung-Georgetown / Rylan Jones-Utah / Caleb Mills-Houston / Joel Ayeye-Gonzaga / Zach Norville Jr.-Gonzaga / Yoeli Childs-BYU / Carson Edwards-Purdue / Jalen McDaniels-San Diego State / Killian Tillie-Gonzaga / Cameron McGriff-Oklahoma State. That's a lot more than 10 that could contribute at Kentucky. There are players all over the country that can play, even if you think there is not, unless they have 5 stare listed by their name.

LOL. I can't tell you how many times over the years I've seen LineSkiCat get his *** handed to him like this in response to his little challenges. You'd think eventually he'd figure out those type posts tend to backfire.
 

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Well lets see Xavier Tillman-Michigan State/ Corey Kispert- Gonzaga / Luka Garza -Iowa / Zhaire Smith-Texas Tech / Nicholas Claxton-Georgia / Naz Carter-Washington / Jamal Bey-Washington / Christian Bishop-Creighton / Tyrese Haliburton-Iowa State / Mac McClung-Georgetown / Rylan Jones-Utah / Caleb Mills-Houston / Joel Ayeye-Gonzaga / Zach Norville Jr.-Gonzaga / Yoeli Childs-BYU / Carson Edwards-Purdue / Jalen McDaniels-San Diego State / Killian Tillie-Gonzaga / Cameron McGriff-Oklahoma State. That's a lot more than 10 that could contribute at Kentucky. There are players all over the country that can play, even if you think there is not, unless they have 5 stare listed by their name.

..And then compared every other 3-star player who amounted to nothing.

Not to mention, half those 3-stars are playing at mid majors or non-factor power conferences.

Face it, Kentucky isnt a 3-star program. Half the above guys would be crucified by our fanbase and rightfully so. Its so easy to look at an underrated recruit in hindsight and think "well why didnt we get gim?!". It doesnt work that way.
 
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