Anybody still want to point out how "stupid" some of us

[thatsbaseball]

"fickle" MSU fans have been for seeing through this charade of a football program for quite a while now ? If Stricklin has any foresight and balls (for the record I don`t think he has either) he`ll try to get the ball rolling to get Mullen out of Starkville ASAP.

 

[GoToHellOleMiss.sixpack]

Something seems off....

Dan seems to be going through the motions. He seems preoccupied.

Does anyone know of any sickness in his family? Is he suffering from depression? Do you think he's just burnt out?

What the hell is his deal? When things go bad he just bends over and takes it and when things go good he looks relieved instead of happy.

Something is not right.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

For those of you that demanded a blowout against UK

We haven't beat them by 14 or more since '07. They played USC to within 7 at their place. They also kept it reasonably close with Louisville.

Lots of things sucked about last night, but Alabama and aTm are still the only unwinnable games on our schedule.

 

[ShrubDog]

Maybe he is in relations with a cheerleader. Also I dont remember seeing him chewing on his play sheet like this in the past....he is tweeking.

 

[dogfan96]

I was just about to say that...

other than Bama, nobody has really dominated Kentucky. They've been pretty competitive this year.

 

[Dawg1976]

We won't win another game this year. So that makes them all unwinnable.

 

[RealPookieRayRay]

I heard there is a video of him twerking with the team in that big hot tub y'all have. Id be nervous too

 

[thatsbaseball]

Damn Kentucky. Mullen isn`t getting anywhere near this team`s potential out of it mentally or physically. Both he and the team are complacent, uninspired and clueless and the situation is stagnant. Yall need to drop the excuses and open your eyes.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Before the BG game, we wouldn't win another game this year.

Before the UK game, we also wouldn't win another game this year.

I'm guessing that after we beat Arkansas, we also "won't win another game this year."


If suppose if you keep saying it, you'll eventually be right.

 

[thatsbaseball]

 

[Hump4Hoops]

 

[ckDOG]

I think he's comfortable.

Dan seems to be going through the motions. He seems preoccupied.

Does anyone know of any sickness in his family? Is he suffering from depression? Do you think he's just burnt out?

What the hell is his deal? When things go bad he just bends over and takes it and when things go good he looks relieved instead of happy.

Something is not right.

Has a few million in the bank. Nice family at home. More aware of the tough aspects of winning championships at MSU. No better programs trying to hire you away. 6 wins keeps your job. Time to coast and go through the motions....

Mullen could win big here, but we are going to have to pony up the dough to put together a staff of elite coordinators and position coaches. I'm fine with "Year 4 and after" Mullen as long as there are incredible coordinators he can turn the reigns over to for game planning, calling, and inspiring the players. If we have to go the budget route, this calmer and hard headed Mullen isn't going to work out.

 

[fishwater99]

Dan seems to be going through the motions. He seems preoccupied.

Does anyone know of any sickness in his family? Is he suffering from depression? Do you think he's just burnt out?

What the hell is his deal? When things go bad he just bends over and takes it and when things go good he looks relieved instead of happy.

Something is not right.

He's busy counting that $2.7 Million we are paying him. Dan is like Stans 2.0. No adjustments, ever.
Mullen is the worst in game football coach, we either don't make 2nd half adjustments or make the wrong ones.
DAK was moving the ball on the ground in the 1st and what do we do on 1st down in the 1st two series in the 2nd half, pass.
Then he leaves possible points on the board or pinning the other team deep in their territory by always going for it on 4th and 9.

Dan Mullen will never beat a TOP 20 Team, ever.........

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

I have a feeling Mullen is about the Stansburied.

Ok, make that "I have a feeling Mullen is about TO BE Stansburied"

Who is the offensive line coach at Clemson?

 

[Seinfeld]

I won't argue that nor will I say that Kentucky is a bad team, but my thing is that Kentucky simply did not play well enough last night to only lose by 6 and nearly win the damn game. Not even close. They dropped pass after pass, Maxwell couldn't throw it in the ocean at times, and even the announcers kept talking about how many times MSU shot themselves in the foot with stupid penalties or playcalls. It was a game that could have easily been won by three touchdowns, but instead, we were a Kendrick Market shoestring tackle away from losing it.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

As a fanbase, we are entirely too fickle

I get the disappointment and that people are upset. But to me, as long as Dan keeps getting us to bowl games, I don't think he needs to be let go. You can call it "settling" or thinking we are just "poor MSU" or whatever you want, but I don't see it that way. They way I see it, we are 5 years removed from what by any account was a decade of complete misery on the gridiron (end of Sherrill and Croom). That was ONLY 5 years ago, and during that stretch we were all DYING to simply get a coach who would take us to a bowl game every year.

Now, will I be satisfied with 6-6 or 7-5 forever? Maybe not. In my opinion, starting where we were/are, MSU needs to string together a decade of bowl games that includes 2, maybe 3, 8-10 win seasons where we look like we had a punchers chance at the division or league. Once we get to that level, THEN we can say we have made the jump to the next level and start demanding more. We are fighting for our 4th straight bowl appearance. We have NEVER in this history of our program been to 4 straight bowls, and have ONLY been to 3 straight bowls ONCE before (coinciding with our West championship). Hell, we have only been to 17 bowls in the history of our program. Get to one this year, and we have a streak that exceeds 20% of our entire bowl history.

 

[KurtRambis4]

My problem last

night was the management of the game plan. We had an opportunity to pull ahead, comfortably, and stick it to them. Instead, we chose not too by our calls.

 

[coach66]

It was tough to watch last night, uninspired football. It starts and ends at

the top. Time for Dan to step up and be accountable.

 

[johnson86-1]

I get the disappointment and that people are upset. But to me, as long as Dan keeps getting us to bowl games, I don't think he needs to be let go. You can call it "settling" or thinking we are just "poor MSU" or whatever you want, but I don't see it that way. They way I see it, we are 5 years removed from what by any account was a decade of complete misery on the gridiron (end of Sherrill and Croom). That was ONLY 5 years ago, and during that stretch we were all DYING to simply get a coach who would take us to a bowl game every year.

Now, will I be satisfied with 6-6 or 7-5 forever? Maybe not. In my opinion, starting where we were/are, MSU needs to string together a decade of bowl games that includes 2, maybe 3, 8-10 win seasons where we look like we had a punchers chance at the division or league. Once we get to that level, THEN we can say we have made the jump to the next level and start demanding more. We are fighting for our 4th straight bowl appearance. We have NEVER in this history of our program been to 4 straight bowls, and have ONLY been to 3 straight bowls ONCE before (coinciding with our West championship). Hell, we have only been to 17 bowls in the history of our program. Get to one this year, and we have a streak that exceeds 20% of our entire bowl history.

We won't go to a bowl game unless we step up and compete against somebody with similar talent to us. If Mullen does that, most of the criticism will go away.

 

[HD6]

What teams that we have similar talent to are we not competing with?

 

[121Josey]

B-B-B-B-B-B-B-But But But But But But Mullen is a great X's and O's coach.

 

[engie]

You've been right for awhile -- I just didn't want to see it.

 

[engie]

What teams that we have similar talent to are we not competing with?

The phrasing should have been "beating". What teams with similar talent are we beating? But in the most recent sense, Oklahoma St, Northwestern, and OM are all teams with very similar talent that we didn't compete with.

Auburn and LSU are more talented than us -- and were this year. People just didn't want to see it with Auburn after their crash and burn last year.

The problem is -- the teams we've had "similar" talent to in the Mullen regime are outrecruiting us now. So, the gimmes that were Ole Miss and Kentucky either already have -- or are in the process of -- becoming better than us. When it reaches "toss up" phase -- we coach ourselves out of wins.

 

[johnson86-1]

What teams that we have similar talent to are we not competing with?

Northwestern, UM, and I would argue Auburn and Ok St. within the past 12 months. We did compete against Auburn. But if we competed consistently, going back to the egg bowl last year, UM, Northwestern, Ok St., Auburn, LSU, A&M, USCe, and UM are all winnable games. If we competed in all of them and came up empty it'd be one thing. But after shitting the bed against UM, Northwestern, and most importantly, Ok St after having an entire off season to work on our problems, simply competing is not enough for me. He needs to pull one of those wins out.

 

[NCDawg.sixpack]

We haven't beat them by 14 or more since '07. They played USC to within 7 at their place. They also kept it reasonably close with Louisville.

Lots of things sucked about last night, but Alabama and aTm are still the only unwinnable games on our schedule.

I would say Alabama, only. we may have an outside chance against aTM if we can somehow stop Manziel. I think we can move the ball against them if we get the read-option working. that will open up the passing game.

 

[RocketDawg]

Well ... early in the season last year, I remember people were calling for Cohen's head. Actually, I think that went on to some extent close to the end of the regular season.

I realize the two situations are not really analogous, but it does show that programs can be turned around. Perhaps Mullen can pull a rabbit out of the hat. But at the moment, I think we may go 4-8 this year ... with three cupcake wins, and one of those really, really close. The situation is a lot worse than last year.

Maybe we should go ahead and give Mullen his walking papers, hire Hudspeth, and get it over with.

 

[RocketDawg]

Been said before, but it's pretty easy to go to a bowl nowadays. 4 cupcake wins and 2 conference wins will do it. The three that we've been to have been pretty good ... Gator, Music City, and Gator. But unless we go at least 7-5 this year, I don't think we'll get a very good bowl this year. Going to Birmingham isn't really an honor, and the Liberty isn't much better.

 

[Philly Dawg]

I didn't think it was a matter of choice or the calls we made. In my opinion, the issue was too many penalties and poor field position caused by shallow kick offs and poor punts, leading to their being able to pin us back. We screwed it up somewhat in the second half, but I don't think it came from poor decisions so much as poor execution. The coach is ultimately responsible for both.

 

[engie]

I would say Alabama, only. we may have an outside chance against aTM if we can somehow stop Manziel. I think we can move the ball against them if we get the read-option working. that will open up the passing game.

We will be 7+ point underdogs in all of the next 3. We haven't won as a 7+ point underdog in a single game in Mullen's 58 games here. 0 for 58 tells me that our chances probably aren't very good in any of these games.

 

[KurtRambis4]

The call to

put Russell in on the third possession. was dumb and inexcusable.

 

[diddog]

You are right, it is not surprising

Wa are just not that talented. Period. Some of us have been saying this season was coming for years. We haven't beaten a team in the top 50 in almost three years. We are simply mediocre and just barely ahead of Kentucky in the SEC. I predict Kentucky will beat us next year in Lexington if they don't have to start Maxwell Smith again - that guy is terrible. They would have beat us with Whitlow. They are about to sign a stellar recruiting class.
Just read Phil Steele's college football yearbook and see how many guys we have ranked at the top of their positions. Gabe Jackson is about it. We lack elite talent now. In 2010 we had it in spades. See the difference on the field? I do.

Say what everyone wants, but we are no better today than we were in 2008. That is the cold hard truth. We were 2-6 in the SEC in 2008 which is what will be this year. We were blown out by a quality OOC opponent each year. Only difference between 2008 and 2013 is that we lost to La. Tech at La. Tech. We would have lost to Bowling Green at Bowling Green this year too.
In 2008, we lost by 1 to No. 9 Auburn. We lost by 10 to No. 5 LSU. We beat then No. 13 Vandy. We lost by 1 to Kentucky.
This team is no better than the 2008 team, but the HUGE difference is that in 2008, the talent level was moving sharply upward, if you don't believe it, check out our NFL talent from 2009 to 2013. In 2009, our talent would be better than the year before. Same with 2010.
In 2013, the talent level on the team is moving the opposite direction. We have no elite NFL talent on the team except Gabe Jackson.
We are currently ranked 13 out of 14th teams in recruiting this year.
So, how are things going to get better in the future? Not possible. Yes, we could get to a bowl next year with Mullen. Of course. We could go 2-6 in the SEC again and then win 4 cupcake OOC games.
Relative to BCS competition, we have been terrible lately.

 

[was21]

Good level headed post

 

[cheewgumm]

Exactly. You hit it on the head man.

These people that want to be satisfied with 6-7 wins and schedule 4 panzies amaze me. Why even watch football if you're satisfied with that? And why pay someone $3m to do it?

Hell hire Jackson states coach for $100k. He will beat 4 panzies , Kentucky and vandy... Done and done.

Wa are just not that talented. Period. Some of us have been saying this season was coming for years. We haven't beaten a team in the top 50 in almost three years. We are simply mediocre and just barely ahead of Kentucky in the SEC. I predict Kentucky will beat us next year in Lexington if they don't have to start Maxwell Smith again - that guy is terrible. They would have beat us with Whitlow. They are about to sign a stellar recruiting class.
Just read Phil Steele's college football yearbook and see how many guys we have ranked at the top of their positions. Gabe Jackson is about it. We lack elite talent now. In 2010 we had it in spades. See the difference on the field? I do.

Say what everyone wants, but we are no better today than we were in 2008. That is the cold hard truth. We were 2-6 in the SEC in 2008 which is what will be this year. We were blown out by a quality OOC opponent each year. Only difference between 2008 and 2013 is that we lost to La. Tech at La. Tech. We would have lost to Bowling Green at Bowling Green this year too.
In 2008, we lost by 1 to No. 9 Auburn. We lost by 10 to No. 5 LSU. We beat then No. 13 Vandy. We lost by 1 to Kentucky.
This team is no better than the 2008 team, but the HUGE difference is that in 2008, the talent level was moving sharply upward, if you don't believe it, check out our NFL talent from 2009 to 2013. In 2009, our talent would be better than the year before. Same with 2010.
In 2013, the talent level on the team is moving the opposite direction. We have no elite NFL talent on the team except Gabe Jackson.
We are currently ranked 13 out of 14th teams in recruiting this year.
So, how are things going to get better in the future? Not possible. Yes, we could get to a bowl next year with Mullen. Of course. We could go 2-6 in the SEC again and then win 4 cupcake OOC games.
Relative to BCS competition, we have been terrible lately.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Having a coach that is keeping us at a level above UK and Vandy

Is not "the norm" as some of you younger guys seem to think. Give me 6-7 wins most years with a 8 or 9 every once in a while, and that's a serious historical step up for MSU that I would be thrilled with.

 

[smellmyfinger]

He's busy counting that $2.7 Million we are paying him. Dan is like Stans 2.0. No adjustments, ever.
Mullen is the worst in game football coach, we either don't make 2nd half adjustments or make the wrong ones.
DAK was moving the ball on the ground in the 1st and what do we do on 1st down in the 1st two series in the 2nd half, pass.
Then he leaves possible points on the board or pinning the other team deep in their territory by always going for it on 4th and 9.

Dan Mullen will never beat a TOP 20 Team, ever.........

I disagree, he beat the #11 ranked Mississippi State Bulldawgs in their 8th game of the 2012 season.
he beat them so bad they still haven't recovered**

 

[Faustdog]

Yes. You are still a ******* idiot.

 

[thunderclap]

OM will beat us by 2 tds. Then maybe we will once again get serious.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

What's hilarious is that 4-5 years ago every poster in this thread

Is not "the norm" as some of you younger guys seem to think. Give me 6-7 wins most years with a 8 or 9 every once in a while, and that's a serious historical step up for MSU that I would be thrilled with.

would be thrilled with exactly this. But in typical MSU fanbase tradition, the vocal minority is too bipolar to remember this and just how bad it was.

 

[engie]

would be thrilled with exactly this. But in typical MSU fanbase tradition, the vocal minority is too bipolar to remember this and just how bad it was.

Not really. Yes, we would take it over Croom. But the issue now is the lack of effort we are showing on the field, in recruiting, and in game preparation. I would be fine with our record right now if we were playing with tremendous effort, not quitting at halftime, and otherwise just not beating ourselves.

Croom went 12-13 and got fired in his final 2. Mullen is about to go 13-12(IF he beats Arky in Ark) and people are fine with it?

 

[os62]

other than Bama, nobody has really dominated Kentucky. They've been pretty competitive this year.

I know I'm going to get ripped for this, but you aren't seriously trying to rationalize that Kentucky is a decent team/win, are you? They've had ONE win all year long.