has anybody else joined me on the anti-collins train yet? that guy is a clown.

[engie]

i have already had my say on mullen. we have a lot of problems going on right now, and the statistics indicate that we fired a coach so that we could hire a worse one.

im simply bringing up the fact that we have serious defensive problems in addition to the offensive problems that everyone recognizes. its not his 3rd game, its his 4th game and all of his losses indicate a similar pattern. im just talking about what nobody else wants to talk about and admitting what nobody else wants to admit.

wish in one hand, **** in the other. see which one gets filled up first.

And initial statistics indicated Cohen was worse than Polk too!!1!1 Hell, 2 years worth of statistics indicated that. God forbid you had been here to tell us this after every game...when many of us knew better even then.

 

[Shamoan]

our team is giving up over 50% on 3rd down conversions, the TOP is totally irrelevant to getting off the field. its about making the other team go 3 and out.

seriously, are you ok with us having a WORSE FBS scoring defense, a WORSE FBS 3rd down efficiency, and a WORSE ypg allowed? that is what we have thus far with collins. at worst, you can say its too early to tell, but that data says you are dead wrong. as i have said before, i hope i get slapped down like a ***** by collins and what he is able to do with the defense, but comparable talent has proven that collins is anything but some defensive savior and in fact, he is more incompetent thus far than his predecessor who was fired for being incompetent.

 

[Shamoan]

you cannot be serious.

in that case, lets wipe the mans slate clean....after all, we had major injuries in the secondary and redmond is still suspended. lets give the man a few seasons to incorporate HIS talent...

wtf? enough with the excuses. defend his statistics if you feel necessary, but dont make excuses for the man.

this guy........

Dont include his bowl game? if anything it IMPROVES his standing considering he had 2 2nd round draft picks playing in his secondary....until the banks injury. wtf people? i feel like im taking crazy pills.

 

[Shamoan]

wow...i guess i do have a problem when king of diatribes is telling me my post is too long.

hell, i hope i do look like a fool when its all said and done. that would mean our defense has turned a complete 180.

all im saying is that these two were cut from the same cloth. the stats back that up. are they limited? sure, but its all we have to go on and the talent level that we will be playing will be at a MUCH greater disparity than what we are currently seeing.

if a quarter of the season has gone by and the schedule only gets tougher yet our stats are WORSE than the previous coach's stats, im not sure how we can read into that other than negatively. 4 games is a large enough pool to make generalizations...after all, its the only data we have.

 

[MagnificentBastard]

The only stat that matters is scoring defense. We are 28th in the nation and 3rd in the SEC in scoring defense. We held Auburn to 10 points under their average of their other games and we held Oklahoma St under 36 points of their average when they aren't playing us. The idea that 3rd down conversion stats somehow trumps points scored may be the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted on this board.

 

[Shamoan]

apparently you havent read a single word i have typed in the last 24 hours.

if you get nothing else from this, understand what i am about to say:

WE RANKED 32nd LAST YEAR VS FBS OPPONENTS IN PPG ALLOWED (fanbase in an uproar...coach sucks, fire coach)
WE CURRENTLY RANK 36th THIS YEAR VS FBS OPPONENTS IN PPG ALLOWED (fanbase is pleased...coach is good, lets make excuses for being worse than we were last year)

not only that, we have given up more total yards under collins than what we did under wilson (FBS) AND wilson's 3rd down efficiency was better (FBS). (it was still atrocious, but it was better)

im assuming you glazed over when you saw a wall of words, not that i blame you, but that wall was packed with info.

 

[Shamoan]

so, coaches should be given enough time to prove their worth. how long should we have given wilson? man only had 2 years, but to everyone that will tell you, including me, he sucked donkey balls.

 

[operch]

"because it really bothers me that our defense cant get off the 17ing field."

Possession Time

MSU 34:23 / Auburn

25:37

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MSU 38:53 / Alcorn 21:07
MSU 34:07 / OSU 25:53

So time of possession in games that Collins has been in charge actually can't be your argument, unless you feel that it should have been way more one-sided than that. On average, our defense was on the field nearly 12 minutes a game less than our opposition. I think that our problems fall pretty squarely on the offense. Just say that for whatever reason, you don't like Collins and leave it at that. Your reason, as stated above clearly can't really be your reason...

That stat says we need a points per minute scale.

 

[121Josey]

our team is giving up over 50% on 3rd down conversions, the TOP is totally irrelevant to getting off the field. its about making the other team go 3 and out.

seriously, are you ok with us having a WORSE FBS scoring defense, a WORSE FBS 3rd down efficiency, and a WORSE ypg allowed? that is what we have thus far with collins. at worst, you can say its too early to tell, but that data says you are dead wrong.

Sadly, you don't understand football numbers. That's certifiable. Getting off the field is correlated with ToP. Sometimes we play an offense as apathetic as State's who has no idea how to avoid a 3-n-out. But for most teams, one failed 3rd down conversion is a welcomed site.

Did you happen to hibernate during the entire 2012 season? And to address your argument on lack of pressure, do you not understand that the spread offense makes it difficult to hide the pressure. If you blitz one direction, the QB runs the other direction. If your DE runs a stunt, the QB attacks that edge. If you would look at the whole picture and stop being so myopic (and hardheaded) maybe you would recognize that.

Here's two games you can digest. All teams are around 50% conversion rate. All these DC's should be fired.

1st Downs	31	31
3rd down efficiency	3-6	5-8
4th down efficiency	0-0	0-0
Total Yards	568	628
Passing	334	464
Comp-Att	20-29	28-39
Yards per pass	11.5	11.9
Rushing	234	164
Rushing Attempts	37	32
Yards per rush	6.3	5.1
Penalties	12-104	6-55
Turnovers	1	2
Fumbles lost	1	0
Interceptions thrown	0	2
Possession	35:02	24:58

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1st Downs	19	22
3rd down efficiency	5-15	7-15
4th down efficiency	2-2	0-0
Total Yards	415	459
Passing	213	339
Comp-Att	15-28	23-34
Yards per pass	7.6	10.0
Rushing	202	120
Rushing Attempts	40	36
Yards per rush	5.1	3.3
Penalties	5-33	1-5
Turnovers	0	3
Fumbles lost	0	1
Interceptions thrown	0	2
Possession	34:23	25:37

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[TSUNBearHunter]

The only stat that matters is scoring defense. We are 28th in the nation and 3rd in the SEC in scoring defense. We held Auburn to 10 points under their average of their other games and we held Oklahoma St under 36 points of their average when they aren't playing us. The idea that 3rd down conversion stats somehow trumps points scored may be the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted on this board.

The only stat that matters is W/L's.

So you held Auburn to 10 points less than their average against defensive jugernauts Washington St & Arkansas St
And you held OSU to 36 points less than their average when playing Lamar & UT-San Antonio?

Did you really type that as evidence of defensive success? Brilliant.

 

[Shamoan]

Sadly, you don't understand football numbers. That's certifiable. Getting off the field is correlated with ToP. Sometimes we play an offense as apathetic as State's who has no idea how to avoid a 3-n-out. But for most teams, one failed 3rd down conversion is a welcomed site.

Did you happen to hibernate during the entire 2012 season? And to address your argument on lack of pressure, do you not understand that the spread offense makes it difficult to hide the pressure. If you blitz one direction, the QB runs the other direction. If your DE runs a stunt, the QB attacks that edge. If you would look at the whole picture and stop being so myopic (and hardheaded) maybe you would recognize that.

Here's two games you can digest. All teams are around 50% conversion rate. All these DC's should be fired.

1st Downs	31	31
3rd down efficiency	3-6	5-8
4th down efficiency	0-0	0-0
Total Yards	568	628
Passing	334	464
Comp-Att	20-29	28-39
Yards per pass	11.5	11.9
Rushing	234	164
Rushing Attempts	37	32
Yards per rush	6.3	5.1
Penalties	12-104	6-55
Turnovers	1	2
Fumbles lost	1	0
Interceptions thrown	0	2
Possession	35:02	24:58

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1st Downs	19	22
3rd down efficiency	5-15	7-15
4th down efficiency	2-2	0-0
Total Yards	415	459
Passing	213	339
Comp-Att	15-28	23-34
Yards per pass	7.6	10.0
Rushing	202	120
Rushing Attempts	40	36
Yards per rush	5.1	3.3
Penalties	5-33	1-5
Turnovers	0	3
Fumbles lost	0	1
Interceptions thrown	0	2
Possession	34:23	25:37

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i dont need you to tell me what i do and do not undestand when you cant even grasp what i am trying to explain. i never said there wasnt a correlation between TOP and 3rd down. there clearly is, but thats not the whole story, so stop pretending like it is.

some said it was scoring defense...defeated -----> wilson > collins in fbs scoring defense. acting like we are ok because they had the ball for a shorter amount of time than we did doesnt mean a 17ing thing when we are giving up 459 yards of total offense....that simply tells you they were getting HUGE plays all night.

lol....i guess you are right....our defense IS getting off the field, but only after giving up 76 yard touchdowns so they can go rest their asses on the bench. you cannot be serious about the TOP argument. you lose any credibility whatsoever when you ignore the fact that that offense was GASHING us at times which resulted in the extreme disparity in TOP. sadly, they didnt need 7 minutes to drive 76 yards for a touchdown...they only needed about 8 seconds.

auburn didnt need the ball very long to score on us. as engie already revealed, they had PLAYS...not drives PLAYS that included 16 yards, 17 yards, 20 yards, 34 yards, 37 yards, and 76 yards, and we were lucky as **** they didnt get another HUGE play with that overthown wide-open pass. point is, they didnt need to have long sustained drives when our defense was giving up yardage like that PER PLAY. normally, you are right, if you win the TOP battle, you win the war...but it didnt take them long to score. it only took them a few seconds to gain 76 yards on their way to a touchdown.

as far as your assertion that if we blitz, they run away from the pressure, thats true, but it doesnt make the blitz futile. and what did we do? we DIDNT blitz, dropped into zone and got totally shredded (67% completion) by marshall....you say that as if it could have gotten WORSE if we had blitzed. thats about the bottom of the 17ing barrel. we had nothing to lose in blitzing....we were already getting destroyed in the secondary, so not blitzing only gave them time to pick us apart.

the whole concept about getting off the field is about getting off the field WITHOUT giving up points in the process....