has anybody else joined me on the anti-collins train yet? that guy is a clown.

[Shamoan]

Under collins, on 3rd down, we are as follows against teams NOT named alcorn state:

N. W'rn:10-19
OSU: 8-14
Auburn: 7-15

when are you clowns going to wake up? that is NOT acceptable. PERIOD.

we were promised an aggressive defense, yet what does collins do time and time again on 3rd and long? goes 3 down and drops into zone.....same as his co-dc before him. i havent seen a 17ing thing that makes me think collins is one iota better than wilson.

sorry, the truth is a cold slap across the face and this guy aint aggressive. wake up...you were all sold a bill of goods and its time to accept the fact that collins is nothing more than average.

welcome to 5-7.

 

[mcdawg22]

Under collins, on 3rd down, we are as follows against teams NOT named alcorn state:

N. W'rn:10-19
OSU: 8-14
Auburn: 7-15

when are you clowns going to wake up? that is NOT acceptable. PERIOD.

we were promised an aggressive defense, yet what does collins do time and time again on 3rd and long? goes 3 down and drops into zone.....same as his co-dc before him. i havent seen a 17ing thing that makes me think collins is one iota better than wilson.

sorry, the truth is a cold slap across the face and this guy aint aggressive. wake up...you were all sold a bill of goods and its time to accept the fact that collins is nothing more than average.

welcome to 5-7.

Wait, so the new D coordinator is terrible, the last d coordinator was terrible, the one before him was good but just got fired for being terrible, the one before him was terrible. See a 17n pattern here? We are the smallest budget team in the hardest division of the hardest conference in the nation. Beisbol been berry berry good to us.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

I hear Manny Diaz is available.

nfm

 

[thunderclap]

True FR Qb, game on line, we rush 4 and sit in zone for 80 yards. Like Dan, Collins played not to lose

 

[Shamoan]

and along with these hideous 3rd down conversion stats for our defense that was billed as aggressive, we have the following:

N. W'rn:10-19.......357 total yards surrendered
OSU: 8-14............432 total yards surrendered
Auburn: 7-15........459 total yards surrendered

guys....geoff collin's defense cannot get off the damn field on 3rd down. against 3 fbs competitors, collins is giving up 25 of 48 3rd down conversions....good for 52% opponents 3rd down conversion rate. that HAS to be one of the worst in the nation. that is awful. and all three of those teams are very much on our level talent wise.

we need to scrap the whole damn charade and start over again. sorry pro-collins guys, the man simply isnt the savior we were all hoping he would be. welcome to our new reality.

 

[NCDawg.sixpack]

nfm

Strange as it sounds, it may not be a bad move. Diaz did some good things when he was our DC-wins over GA and FL. I think most of us were disappointed when he left. Don't know what happened at Texas under Mack Brown, but I still believe he is a good DC.

 

[Thrl595]

Under collins, on 3rd down, we are as follows against teams NOT named alcorn state:

N. W'rn:10-19
OSU: 8-14
Auburn: 7-15

when are you clowns going to wake up? that is NOT acceptable. PERIOD.

we were promised an aggressive defense, yet what does collins do time and time again on 3rd and long? goes 3 down and drops into zone.....same as his co-dc before him. i havent seen a 17ing thing that makes me think collins is one iota better than wilson.

sorry, the truth is a cold slap across the face and this guy aint aggressive. wake up...you were all sold a bill of goods and its time to accept the fact that collins is nothing more than average.

welcome to 5-7.

You're being generous at 5-7.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Collins is twice the coordinator Wilson was.

First, our first half defense against OSU was brilliant. We held Alcon to embarrassing numbers, even with them being Alcorn. The defense on auburn's last drive was unacceptable, but look at the rest of the game. Their big plays were not because of our scheme, it was Cox screwing up. And did you see how many INTs, tipped passes, and forced fumbles there were?

 

[kired]

Shamoan is to Collins what Coach34 was to Stans

 

[Shamoan]

3rd downs always tell the story. collins has a pattern of not being able to get off the field on 3rd down. 52% FIVE TWO....against teams where we stack up talent-wise.

if that doesnt scare you even a little, you are burying your head in the sand. what happens when bama, lsu, aTm, come rolling into town? its going to be a total massacre. i agree that collins is better than wilson, but if that is the standard of success, we are in for a long season.

as far as the last of the game, i saw players constantly out of position in the secondary. brock huard pointed it out multiple times during the game. on top of that, we can pay anybody to not be aggressive on defense. we hardly blitzed. if you heard a single word out of camp this summer on the defensive side, that word would be "aggressive". rushing 3 on 3rd and long is not being aggressive. we did this multiple times in the game yesterday, not just the last drive.

wilsons d produced a lot of INTs as well...thats what being in zone does, but it does it at the expense of aggression and blitzing. that is the rub for me. we cant sit back on our heels and expect them to make a mistake....we have to dictate to them. malzahn took what we gave him and we gave them far too much especially on 3rd down.

 

[Shamoan]

i want collins to be the answer....i really do, but his stats are **** and hopes and dreams dont result in wins.

 

[operch]

On the winning score we had 4 I say again four linebackers standing within three feet of where they were standing when the ball was snapped and when it was caught. BTW the QB for Auburn looked left on that play and threw right.

 

[Shamoan]

aggression at its finest. we might as well only had 7 guys on the field. also, holding was bad all night and was never called. when aub scrambled for the 3rd and long, autry was getting held like a m'effer and was calling for the hold.

i hate playing auburn....we always get the shaft vs them....but that doesnt give us any excuse for not blitzing all night. just a horrible gameplan vs a bad team. i want to be positive, but that **** is revolting.

 

[kired]

I posted this pic from sometime in the first half. That's Chris Jones & AJ Jefferson since you can't make out the numbers because the jerseys are being pulled so badly. And then we get a cheap holding call on Jackson that wasn't half this bad.

 

[Shamoan]

yeah, it was really bad. i freaking hate playing in the sec for this reason.

also, nothing was mentioned about this, but auburn was awarded another first down when it appeared the ball was short of the first down stick.

im done complaining about it....it is ALWAYS a horribly officiated game and we ALWAYS come up on the wrong side of it especially on the road. it turns my stomach knowing the game isnt being officiated the same, but i have accepted that fact that we are the **** team in the sec and we will get dumped on until we are something other than a **** team. i must have yelled holding at the tv 4 or 5 times last night....auburn get ONE 5 yard penalty the whole game?

what a 17ing joke of a conference we are a part of. if it wasnt for the truckloads of cash, prestige, name recognition, exposure, and the in-numerous wonderful things that come along with playing in the sec, i might consider changing conference (i hope most of you detected the sarcasm).

turner needs to teach his boys to throw up their arms and spin when they get grabbed like this. you are gonna have to make those ******* refs call this because they were swallowing their whistles all night, yet our ***** coaches sit there, kick the ground, and say "well, shucks"....

 

[Shamoan]

I posted this pic from sometime in the first half. That's Chris Jones & AJ Jefferson since you can't make out the numbers because the jerseys are being pulled so badly. And then we get a cheap holding call on Jackson that wasn't half this bad.

also, look at the size of those holes....would have been some nice opportunities for some inside blitzes...maybe delayed blitzes....but i forgot, our DC is aggressive, and by aggressive, i mean a passive aggressive, and by passive aggressive, i mean he opts to get the team to tuck their dicks between their legs and play a soft zone when the game is on the line....but i digress.

 

[rugbdawg]

I don't want us blitzing too much. Our corners and safeties are horrible.

Last year is the team that you should have brought the blitz with. Both of those guys are in the NFL.

3rd downs always tell the story. collins has a pattern of not being able to get off the field on 3rd down. 52% FIVE TWO....against teams where we stack up talent-wise.

if that doesnt scare you even a little, you are burying your head in the sand. what happens when bama, lsu, aTm, come rolling into town? its going to be a total massacre. i agree that collins is better than wilson, but if that is the standard of success, we are in for a long season.

as far as the last of the game, i saw players constantly out of position in the secondary. brock huard pointed it out multiple times during the game. on top of that, we can pay anybody to not be aggressive on defense. we hardly blitzed. if you heard a single word out of camp this summer on the defensive side, that word would be "aggressive". rushing 3 on 3rd and long is not being aggressive. we did this multiple times in the game yesterday, not just the last drive.

wilsons d produced a lot of INTs as well...thats what being in zone does, but it does it at the expense of aggression and blitzing. that is the rub for me. we cant sit back on our heels and expect them to make a mistake....we have to dictate to them. malzahn took what we gave him and we gave them far too much especially on 3rd down.

 

[Shamoan]

what does it matter if we send everybody or if we sit in some ridiculous zone that gets shredded by converted athlete the has only been on campus for 5 weeks.

dude went 23 of 34 for 339 yards.

as state fans, that should make you sick to your stomach. thats 17in awful. making this jackass look like a freaking heisman contender. just damn...

 

[Palos verdes]

What in the name of hell?? Collins' defense is much ******* better than last year's D. In all fairness mistakes are expected after last coaches **** storm on D. I would hate to think how badly we would have gotten our *** kicked Sat if we had last year's defensive philosophy. Collins will get it done.

 

[drummerdawg]

I'm loving our D so far and it will only get better

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

They hear you. Some were just so adamant that Wilson was the problem that they don't want to admit that Collins hasn't been the answer thus far.

Offense has been a problem. However if you look at the links below, you'll see defense is a problem also.

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

I mentioned this last week, but resident stat boy, Engie, disagreed. Not sure how he'll spin the stats this week. I'm sure he'll go back to the salary arguement.

 

[121Josey]

Under collins, on 3rd down, we are as follows against teams NOT named alcorn state:

N. W'rn:10-19
OSU: 8-14
Auburn: 7-15

when are you clowns going to wake up? that is NOT acceptable. PERIOD.

Why are you on such an anit-Collins crusade this season? Every week you make a post against Collins and the defense.

Was this worse than other teams?

I don't care if the guy has been on campus for 5 weeks, Malzahn is still a pretty good coordinator (see the winning play-call last saturday).

If Collins makes adjustments, then I'm fine with the ratios. Auburn had 3 turnovers (and one more if AJ would have gotten the fumble in the first quarter). We've seen more AJ and less Autry.

The only thing I saw questionable was on the last drive and having Skinner there instead of a hybrid LB (is ZJack hurt?)

 

[Shamoan]

do you have a shred of evidence to back that up? no. the statistics are overwhelmingly against you.

why do you consider collins to be much better than wilson? because he held osu to 3 td's? they converted over half their 3rd downs....same story with northwestern, same story with auburn. just because he replaced somebody ****** does not mean he is good...it just means hes the next one given the opportunity.

We are currently 85th in yards allowed and we have played ALCORN STATE for 17's sake. ALCORN MF'N STATE and we are still 85th.

WE ARE 106th in opponents 3rd down conversion pct..... 106th

i feel like this is not sinking in....against a good team, a really, really bad team, and a team that lost every sec game they played last year, we are EIGHTY FIFTH IN YARDS PER GAME ALLOWED AND ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTH IN OPPONENTS 3rd DOWN CONVERSION PERCENT.

There were only 6 teams in all of FBS that finished with opponents converting over 50% on 3rd down....SIX!!!!! needless to say, wilson is murdering collins' 3rd down conversion rate AND ypg surrendered and here we are quarter through the season and our defensive stats are total ****. collins has wet dreams thinking about achieving the terrible stats wilson accumulated.

Fact: we have played teams from every spectrum we will see this season....a great team, a middle of the pack team, and a terrible team. here are the cold hard facts:

YPG:
Wilson: 397 ypg
Collins: 445 ypg

3rd down %:
Wilson: 43.60%
Collins: 51.72%

I think its fair to extrapolate out how the rest of the season will go unless serious changes are made. we have played a hard, mediocre, and ultra cream-puff team...our schedule pretty much plays out with those same proportions.

and before i get accused of being a wilson lover, i hated the guy....i was pumped when he moved on, but the stats OVERWHELMINGLY indicate that wilson > collins...which is a HUGE problem for us all.

THE GUY IS NOT AGGRESSIVE....PERIOD. what in the 17 have you seen that would give you a shred of confidence that things will get better? Our players are constantly out of position or totally lost in the wash, we get zero pressure, we drop into a 9 man "zone" and still cant cover some walk-on streaking across the middle, you may have confidence that collins is the answer, but you realistically have ZERO reason to believe that he will do so. you simply cant win ANYWHERE giving up over 50% on 3rd down, much less in the most cut-throat conference situated in murder's row that is our division.


you have zero reason to be excited about what collins has done in his 4 games while at state. he is cut from the same "read and react" cloth that wilson was from...think about it, they were co-coordinators for 17 sake. i believe this experiment will not turn out like we all hoped. i pray that i am wrong, but you have zero reason to be optimistic. none of you do. sadly, collins' defense is statistically far inferior to what his predecessor has done and sadly, it aint even close. we are 17ed. we have the exact same defensive philosophy that we had last year.....are you not paying attention? seriously, what 17ing games have yall been watching? **** people..........wake the 17 up.

 

[Shamoan]

because it really bothers me that our defense cant get off the 17ing field. i largely bit my tongue the northwestern game (wasnt a member on this site anyway at that time), but noticed how poorly we performed on 3rd down....which planted the seed in my mind.

then osu.....which reaffirmed what i had been mildly worried about in the offseason.

alcorn...was, well, alcorn. nobody learned anything from that one. i said nothing that week.

auburn was the same ole **** and his version of prevent with zero pressure cost us a game (along with what dumbshit mullen had in store for us)

honestly, my biggest rub with the whole damn thing is that we were all promised a different, more aggressive defense. that was the buzz word coming out of starkville this whole damn offseason. all i have seen is the same old read and react ********. maybe i was reading too much into coach speak this offseason, but when a coach says that the defensive philosophy is going to be totally different and will be far more aggressive than what got the previous coach fired, i expect to see an aggressive defense.

i could live with us sending guys and not getting there and giving up big plays as a result. aggression comes at a price, but what i cannot live with is a defense that is billed as aggressive, sit back on 3rd and long and watch a converted athlete that has been on campus for 5 weeks make minced meat of our 8 players that are trying to cover their 4. that is 17ing disgusting. everything in collins' being should have told him to crank up the pressure as auburn continued to pass at will, yet our defensive scheme is to play some ill-conceived zone that has auburn receivers streaking toward the endzone every other play. holy **** people......

i agree that malzahn is a solid coach, but we had a talent/experience advantage and because of the ineptitude of our coaches on BOTH sides of the ball, we let a win slip from our grasp.

if this game was about having great turnover ratios, wilson would be gainfully employed in starkville, mississippi and we would be the toast of the town. unfortunately for us, this game, from a defensive standpoint, is about getting off the 17ing field and not letting the other team score. thus far, the hapless wilson has proven to be more successful at both aspects of the game.

as long as we keep making excuses for incompetence, the more we will lose. its as simple as that.

again, i hope collins makes me eat my words. i really do, but so far, the only person he is making look bad are himself and our idiot fans that dont know bad defense when they see it. wilson has far superior statistics than collins at this point.....think about that before you jump to defend collins. if yall are happy with what you see defensively, yall are going to love the impending season-sssss (pleural) of 4-8 and 5-7 that are coming down the gauntlet. might be the best times of your lives. for everyone else that has a 17ing clue, its going to suck dick.

 

[engie]

WE ARE 106th in opponents 3rd down conversion pct..... 106th

If you are going to push this agenda hard, at least get the numbers right...and don't use sites that exclude 1/3 of the total data on the season thusfar.

Let's look at the numbers that matter.

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Against TWO SPREAD TEAMS -- which need I remind how they carved us last year? Yeah, the defense is the problem** You are focusing all of your energy in the wrong places.

 

[engie]

They hear you. Some were just so adamant that Wilson was the problem that they don't want to admit that Collins hasn't been the answer thus far.

Offense has been a problem. However if you look at the links below, you'll see defense is a problem also.

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

I mentioned this last week, but resident stat boy, Engie, disagreed. Not sure how he'll spin the stats this week. I'm sure he'll go back to the salary arguement.

Nice spin... find a ranking that doesn't count 1/3 of the total games played yet.

We held Mike Gundy to the lowest total he's had in years -- and held Malzahn to 24 despite NUMEROUS busted coverages that made up a 40% of their total offense on 3 plays. That's an indictment of youth that NO ONE exploits better than Malzahn. Nothing more or less.

28th in scoring D -- against 2 teams that will finish the year way above average scoring O -- the sky is falling on defense!!1!11

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Nick Marshall is a Juco Transfer who is a Junior, not a true freshman QB

True FR Qb, game on line, we rush 4 and sit in zone for 80 yards. Like Dan, Collins played not to lose

nm

 

[Shamoan]

my source includes only includes FBS opponents, so it is unintentionally a little disingenuous...thank goodness alcorn state was there to pad the stats.

link: http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct

so, lets throw in northwestern.....it would clearly be unfair for me to rub in the scoring defense in that one because TR went all mike henig, so ill sidestep that in the quest for truth.

Northwestern was 10 of 19 on 3rd down efficiency (52.6%).........357 yards surrendered
Oklahoma State was 8 of 14 on 3rd down efficiency (57.1%)........432 yards surrendered
Alcorn State was 2 of 14 on 3rd down efficiency (14.3%)............163 yards surrendered (BOOM....suck a dick alcorn!!!!!...we really showed them)
then back to the reality of playing in FBS:
Auburn was 7 of 15 on 3rd down efficiency (46.7%)....................459 yards surrendered

all totaled, collins' efforts result in a cumulative 27 of 62.....good for 43.5 3rd down efficiency.....which would currently place us in the low 80's on my site (which excludes non FBS teams, so really its higher than it should be comparatively) which would put us 91st on your site including nw (because we are currently Tied at 68th as it is, we cant compare msu to msu), however, we must have SOME parameters to compare the job collins has done and generally, those rankings stay within a reasonable statistical range, which they are currently in.

Making the wild assumption that we continue to get similar performacnes, 43.5% puts us 81st using rankings from 2012. And since our schedule will only get tougher with bama, lsu, aTm, usc, ole miss, arky, bowling green, uk, and troy, i think its safe to assume that will only get worse (5 top 25 teams to go). Wilson finished last year 85th on 3rd down....with that schedule to go, the assumption is that we will be even worse than 85th without any more alcorn states to pad our stats against. its going to be ugly.

so, 43.5 % on 3rd down (including the other game collins has coached in and removing the statistical eye-soar that was tyler russell)....puts us somewhere between where your ranking has us (tied for 68th, and where my ranking has us at 106th, so 85th seems fair to me)

so, our defense ranks 85th-ish....on 3rd down conversions.

regarding our total offense, i will apply the same data technique. Norhtwestern, osu, alcorn, auburn.....collins is giving up 352.8 total yards/ game....which doesnt sound that bad.....until you remove alcorn and compare those numbers to what our peers have done to us....Peers btw that have equivalent talent/experience....totals: 416 total yards per game. Its going to get ugly vs the big boys in our conference.

oh, btw, you point out that they are against spread team....unfortunately, half our damn division is comprised of spread teams, so expect those numbers to get worse because auburn is far and away the lesser of the three spread teams that make up the sec west. aTm and ole miss are going to have a field day with our defense.

my arguement is largely predicated on what teams with comperable talent have done to us. we match-up talent wise with auburn, osu, and northwestern....maybe even more so because nearly all of our recruted talent is on the defensive side of the ball (our only 4* on the offensive side are russell (DNP), ross (Limited play), shump (limited play) and morrow (40 rec yards). THAT is a huge red flag. Engie, your a smart guy, but there simply is no excusing away what collins' defenses have done vs fcs opponents. 52% is straight garbage. 53%, 57%, and 47% is not a recipe for success, and these totals are from teams that are the least of our worries.

in conclusion, i defend that linked source as it wasnt some trick, as it removed all non-aq teams for EACH and every team....not just mississippi state. Nearly everybody is going to play a non-aq team early in the season, most likely in the first 2 or 3 games.

will we know much more later on in the season? absolutely, but this data illustrates my point beautifully and if you arent at least a little worried by this, you arent being honest with yourself.

im not arguing that the reason we lost is collins, but collins continues to be A problem, at least in my mind while mullen continues to be THE problem. im not suggesting that this game is 100% on collins....its not, but he has some disturbing statistics and i want to discuss them. where i have the problem is when somebody comes in and says collins is doing a bang-up job. hes not. his biggest problem is that he cant get off the field on 3rd. if he improves that dramatically, i wont say ****, and i will be happy to do so, but i want improvement on both sides of the ball...collins has a difficult job, but dont tell me we are going to be aggressive and not bring a blitz when its situationally appropriate while our defense gets shredded by some clown gus talked into being a qb. i want aggression. sadly, collins is way more wilson than he is joe-lee dunn. collins defense is the same **** we had with wilson. they were co-coordinators for crying out loud....they had to have the same coaching philosophy in some capacity.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

Nice spin... find a ranking that doesn't count 1/3 of the total games played yet.

We held Mike Gundy to the lowest total he's had in years -- and held Malzahn to 24 despite NUMEROUS busted coverages that made up a 40% of their total offense on 3 plays. That's an indictment of youth that NO ONE exploits better than Malzahn. Nothing more or less.

28th in scoring D -- against 2 teams that will finish the year way above average scoring O -- the sky is falling on defense!!1!11

WTF other stat would you use to show third down conversions other than one that shows the games played thus far?

Nick Marshall is a juco transfer that only started practicing with AU less than 6 weeks before your game. He didn't even throw for a 100 yards against the vaunted Mike Leach defense or complete more than 53% of his passes. He didn't have more than 200 yards of offense against defensive jugernauts Washington St and Ark St, but he had 361 yards of offense against the Minister of Mayhem.

 

[Squidawg11]

I understand what you are saying, but I think your anger is misguided. Our issue is that our offense is averaging 11.5 points against teams not named Alcorn State. Against OSU the offense could not stay on the field, yet the defense kept us in the game. I agree the last drive was awful and something needs to be done about that. This is Collins third game as DC, so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Also, a lot of their yardage and the other touchdown was on Justin Cox for being out of position. I think our defense will be fine, but I reserve the right to change my mind if we play like we did on the final drive in the 4th quarter going forward.

 

[engie]

WTF other stat would you use to show third down conversions other than one that shows the games played thus far?

Except that it doesn't show the games played thusfar. It ignores one of the 3 -- thus showing the ONLY teams we've played to be Oklahoma St and Auburn. If you can't see how this purposefully skews stats, I really can't help you...

Nick Marshall is a juco transfer that only started practicing with AU less than 6 weeks before your game. He didn't even throw for a 100 yards against the vaunted Mike Leach defense or complete more than 53% of his passes. He didn't have more than 200 yards of offense against defensive jugernauts Washington St and Ark St, but he had 361 yards of offense against the Minister of Mayhem.

I love how everyone continues to try to sell a guy short that threw for 300 more yards and ran for 500 more yards than Cam Newton did in JUCO -- that had offers from Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas St, and NC State among others. Yes -- he has struggled some early. He even struggled some in our game. I still fail to see your point?

Spin it to talk about whatever you want. 25% of their total yards were on 3 busted coverages for us. Actually, one of those was a 37 yard pass completion to Marshall himself.

So, without the stupid *** prevent defense at the end of the game -- which I'm not at all convinced that Collins called given the gameplan on the other side of the ball while the defense was shutting their *** down, he had 240 passing. Take away the blown coverages -- which will go away as the year goes on(we always bust coverages against Malzahn early) -- and that number is down to about 100 passing yards overall. HARDLY something to write home about or otherwise be bitching about.

Anyone that, at this point, can't see that our MUCH bigger problem is on the offensive side of the ball, I can't help you. The bigger problem was there last year as well -- which I have repeatedly proven statistically.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

"because it really bothers me that our defense cant get off the 17ing field."

Possession Time

MSU 34:23 / Auburn

25:37

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MSU 38:53 / Alcorn 21:07
MSU 34:07 / OSU 25:53

So time of possession in games that Collins has been in charge actually can't be your argument, unless you feel that it should have been way more one-sided than that. On average, our defense was on the field nearly 12 minutes a game less than our opposition. I think that our problems fall pretty squarely on the offense. Just say that for whatever reason, you don't like Collins and leave it at that. Your reason, as stated above clearly can't really be your reason...

 

[engie]

Your argument is on one defensive statistic that can push what you want to see. Everyone else here sees this but you.

Did you REALLY think Collins was going to put all these corners on an island with Redmond still on suspension, Jay Hughes out for the year, and Love, Whitley, Arrington week to week with injuries -- and bring the house? You thought that was a good idea. Answer your own question with common sense. Hell, if Cox just doesn't bust the coverages in that game, we sit pretty good.

We are 28th in scoring defense. Against 2 of the 10 best offensive minds in all of college football.
We are 84th in scoring offense and haven't seen a defense worth a **** yet.
The bigger problem is simple to see. Unless you want to search for a single metric to hang your hat on that doesn't actually tell you anything of substance...which is what has been done here. But hey, we are currently 7th in the SEC right now in 3rd down conversions against one of the best SOS. Sky is falling**

Did you miss when Malzahn dropped 41 on Wilson in his second game as DC with a QB that lost his job 2 weeks later with a roster that was no more talented than this one? But that was Wilson!!1! Everyone loves to forget just how salty that first Wilson defense was -- which finished #16 nationally in scoring d.

 

[Sutterkane]

The fact is, the defense has played well enough this year to keep us in games. The offense did not come through in game 1.

 

[Sutterkane]

You really can't include the bowl game. While Collins was calling plays, there were still players playing the wrong position and Wilson was still on the team coaching them as well. As much as I liked Broomfield early on as a serviceable CB in 09, a strong safety he was certainly not. And Cherry was just awful. There were habits on that defense and tendencies that you simply can't correct over a 2 week practice period when they've been engrained in you for a whole season.

 

[Shamoan]

its irrelevant whether or not collins was willing to put corners on an island when every other play, an auburn wr is running wide open. THAT is the point where you have to say "****, well, this dropping into zone aint exactly happening, lets try bringing the heat on this guy that is passing at an almost 68% completion rate."

at some point, collins should have cut bait and gotten aggressive. Sure, we had injuries, but when you drop 8 into coverage, i dont expect to see anybody streaking wide open like auburn did numerous times. What is the difference between bringing heat and getting burned and dropping back and getting burned? there is none. Hell, if marshall takes just a little off the ball, we lose that game 31 to 20. That auburn player was ridiculously open. was it a busted coverage? sure, but we had multiple busted coverages and they were never corrected...again, the buck stops with collins in that regard. how do we know we couldnt positively impact the game with an aggressive defensive scheme? that could have been the difference in the game and we didnt even try and seemed reserved to let them pass all night on us with zero adjustment.

sorry, malzahn isnt one of the top 10 offensive minds in college football....he just isnt. gundy yes, malzahn no.

if we are 28th in scoring, its only because we played an atrocious alcorn state team that helped pad those stats significantly. alcorn is far and away the worst team we will face this season, so allowing them to account for 33% of our defensive statistics is disingenuous.

so far under collins, we have given up 27 (34-7=27...not gonna peg TR's incompetence on collins), 21 and 24 points. Thats 24 points per FBS opponents.

For perspective, lets compare that to a full season's outcome for what we did LAST year with 12 of 13 under the terrible and incompetent Wilson.

Our FBS scoring defense of all 2012 (11-wilson, 1-collins):.....................ranking 36th at 24.5 ppg.
Our FBS scoring defense of just chris wilson 2012 (11 games):...............ranking 32nd at 23.6 ppg

Our FBS scoring defense under Collins thus far (3 games):.....................ranking 35th at 24.0 ppg.


http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-points-per-game?date=2013-01-07

allowing collins to coach that bowl game BROUGHT OUR SCORING DEFENSE DOWN, NOT UP and that IS accounting for TR's pick 6. 23.6 < 27 (31-7=27)

if that doesnt illustrate my point, nothing will. our scoring defense is WORSE (wilson: 23.6 ppg VS collins: 24 ppg) vs FBS teams under collins (northwestern, osu, auburn) and these statistics are with the benefit of not having our traditional blow-out conference losses calculated into them. throw in ole miss, bama, aTm, lsu and we are considerably WORSE under collins than we were under wilson.

that is a crushing statistic to anyone that thinks collins is doing a good job. the data simply does not support that whatsoever. Statistically speaking, wilson > collins in fbs games coached. THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

this data is in no way manipulated to make my point. they are cold hard facts that unarguably suggest wilson > collins in nearly every statistical category, certainly in 3rd down conversion, certainly in ypg, and certainly in scoring defense.
thems is facts.

now, your only argument is that you THINK it might get better....i certainly hope so because wilson was FIRED and had better statistics than what Collins currently has.

 

[Shamoan]

then why was wilson fired and largely considered incompetent by our fanbase (deservedly so, i might add)? if it was not on the defense this year, then why was it last year?

The 11 FBS games coached by wilson in 2012: 23.6 ppg
The 3 FBS games coached by collins: 24 ppg

total yards surrendered: advantage wilson
scoring defense: advantage wilson
3rd down efficiency: advantage wilson

im not making this **** up people. do your own research...its all there in black and white and its not good news. Wilson was a terrible coach......all relevant statistics indicate that Collins is worse.

 

[Shamoan]

i have already had my say on mullen. we have a lot of problems going on right now, and the statistics indicate that we fired a coach so that we could hire a worse one.

im simply bringing up the fact that we have serious defensive problems in addition to the offensive problems that everyone recognizes. its not his 3rd game, its his 4th game and all of his losses indicate a similar pattern. im just talking about what nobody else wants to talk about and admitting what nobody else wants to admit.

wish in one hand, **** in the other. see which one gets filled up first.

 

[Rockydawg]

First, our first half defense against OSU was brilliant. We held Alcon to embarrassing numbers, even with them being Alcorn. The defense on auburn's last drive was unacceptable, but look at the rest of the game. Their big plays were not because of our scheme, it was Cox screwing up. And did you see how many INTs, tipped passes, and forced fumbles there were?

Aaaaaaaaaand we lost.

 

[engie]

then why was wilson fired and largely considered incompetent by our fanbase (deservedly so, i might add)? if it was not on the defense this year, then why was it last year?

The 11 FBS games coached by wilson in 2012: 23.6 ppg
The 3 FBS games coached by collins: 24 ppg

total yards surrendered: advantage wilson
scoring defense: advantage wilson
3rd down efficiency: advantage wilson

im not making this **** up people. do your own research...its all there in black and white and its not good news. Wilson was a terrible coach......all relevant statistics indicate that Collins is worse.

No one is reading your 12 paragraph diatribes trying to explain something that is clearly false to basically everyone else here.

Name the bet. Collins is better in every significant defensive statistic by the end of the year than Wilson was last year despite playing twice the schedule...

You are trying to find long-term significance in ONE GAME and use it to apply to the big picture. Now you are trying to do the same with 2 games. Against TWO OF THE BEST OFFENSIVE MINDS IN THE COUNTRY. Yet you ignore that. You are setting yourself up to look real foolish on this.