Would you rather??

[Dawg1979]

random question, not sure its even debatable:

Would you rather have 2014 Jonathan Holder or 2021 Landon Sims to close big time game?

 

[57stratdawg]

Sims

 

[Drebin]

random question, not sure its even debatable:

Would you rather have 2014 Jonathan Holder or 2021 Landon Sims to close big time game?

Holder was great and has a bigger sample size to judge from, but Sims has better stuff and has been at a different level of lockdown.

At some point, Sims will have a bad outing. And I'm sure that when that happens, there will be a bit of a meltdown because we take him for granted. But he's a good one.

 

[patdog]

2013 Holder. But check back after postseason. My answer is subject to change.

 

[bulldognation]

2014 Kenny Powers was unstoppable.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

This. Sims has been lights out so far. Hoping he becomes the final answer.

 

[ZombieKissinger]

No idea when that was made, but it's probably my favorite thing I've seen this year

 

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[thekimmer]

Sims. Not even close...

random question, not sure its even debatable:

Would you rather have 2014 Jonathan Holder or 2021 Landon Sims to close big time game?

2014 Holder 2.22 52.2 IP 9 BB, 71 K 1.4K/inning
2021 Sims 0.37 24.2 IP 7 BB, 47 K 1.9K/inning

Lot of ground to cover in 2021 but Sims so far has given up 1 earned run and that was to tulane. Holder surrendered 13 earned runs in 2014.

 

[oxfordrebel22]

Sims is as dominant a reliever as I’ve ever seen, and watch a lot of college baseball. I thought healthy Scott Bittle was the most dominant college pitcher I’ve ever seen in person, but that changed Friday night when I watched Sims.

Where did he come from? Was he a big time recruit? I follow your (excuse me, y’all’s (just for wsumsu75)) baseball program but not recruiting. But holy hell that dude is filthy.

 

[johnson86-1]

2014 Holder 2.22 52.2 IP 9 BB, 71 K 1.4K/inning
2021 Sims 0.37 24.2 IP 7 BB, 47 K 1.9K/inning

Lot of ground to cover in 2021 but Sims so far has given up 1 earned run and that was to tulane. Holder surrendered 13 earned runs in 2014.

Not real close for 2014, but for 2013: 1.65 era, 54.2 IP, 17BB, 90 k, 1.66 k/inning.

Hopefully it's still clear cut Sims at the end of the year.

 

[ArcherSPS]

He was the 48th best player in his class.

 

[thekimmer]

Not real close for 2014, but for 2013: 1.65 era, 54.2 IP, 17BB, 90 k, 1.66 k/inning.

Hopefully it's still clear cut Sims at the end of the year.

Even in 2013 I'd take Sims at this point. That could change as you say.

I have never seen a pitcher that goes into attack mode as aggressively as he does. He does not let the hitters breath. He is pumping it again as soon as the ball gets back to him.

 

[patdog]

Holder had 21 saves in 2013 and was a huge part of getting us to the CWS finals. The NCAA record is 23. Sims has 5 right now. I do think Sims has better stuff, and he's been phenomenal the first 2 months of the season. But I'm gonna have to see what he does in postseason before I put him ahead of 2013 Holder.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

2021 Sims all day. Holder had the benefit of the raised seam ball, which gave him more spin and made the balls carry less. Plus that dude had some balls crushed off of him that would be long gone even in TDA these days. He barely threw 90 too.

 

[Bucksnort_Dawg]

Holder tried to give us heart attacks twice in the 2013 postseason spiking balls to first. Thank God Wes Rea was a vacuum over there.

 

[MSUDC11]

Holder is in my Top 5 of favorite Bulldogs ever, but give me Sims just based on the fact that to this point he doesn’t give us all major anxiety and heart palpitations like Holder did.

I was in Omaha for the 2013 CWS opener against Oregon State when he hung the curve ball in the 9th. It is a straight up miracle that the ball stayed in the stadium somehow.

For all the talk of this year’s bullpen, the 2014 pen with Holder and peak Lindgren was as good of a one-two punch as you’ll find. Those two (plus occasionally Ross Mitchell) carried an otherwise mediocre team to a good season. And then the drop off in 2015 when those two were gone was massive.

The other reason I prefer Sims is that Holder pitched in the early BBCOR era when offense was way down. I’m not sure he’d be quite as effective now.

 

[johnson86-1]

Sims is as dominant a reliever as I’ve ever seen, and watch a lot of college baseball. I thought healthy Scott Bittle was the most dominant college pitcher I’ve ever seen in person, but that changed Friday night when I watched Sims.

Where did he come from? Was he a big time recruit? I follow your (excuse me, y’all’s (just for wsumsu75)) baseball program but not recruiting. But holy hell that dude is filthy.

Just some random googling. Didn't find where he was eventually drafted but didn't look beyond this:

https://www.southsidesox.com/2019/4...landon-sims-south-forsyth-h-s-cumming-ga-rhsp

 

[Dawg1979]

Not real close for 2014, but for 2013: 1.65 era, 54.2 IP, 17BB, 90 k, 1.66 k/inning.

Hopefully it's still clear cut Sims at the end of the year.

yeah, i meant 2013. my bad

 

[GloryDawg]

Both.

 

[oxfordrebel22]

He was the 48th best player in his class.

That makes sense, then. But, it’s clear he’s also been developed at MSU, as well. Because there’s no way someone throwing that filth would have made it past 12 to 15 in the draft. He’s a cheat code.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

2021 Sims all day. Holder had the benefit of the raised seam ball, which gave him more spin and made the balls carry less. Plus that dude had some balls crushed off of him that would be long gone even in TDA these days. He barely threw 90 too.

Holder is one lucky guy. Parlayed a raised seamed ball into $4.2MM.

 

[Junction John]

In at least one of the videos, you can see Wes point to him and say something like, "I got you man". It was like, don't stress about that duck you bounced over here, I got this team's back no matter what. I always liked Wes not only for plays like that, but for him saying that to Holder. Very cool.