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Wolf didn't really have as good a season as people mentioned on other posts. He averaged 10 points a game, 5.4 rebounds, 0.8 blocks per game, and 58% from line. Given those numbers occurred in a league with inferior talent, you could probably reduce those numbers by at least 15% if he played in BIG1G. Yes he probably could have been of some value, just not sure if it would have been a significant value

Simpson definitely would've brought some more wins if he replaced Jmike. He averaged 13 points per game (42% from floor), 4.7 rebounds per game, 6.3 assists per game, 91% from line. Simpson is also a very good defender. These numbers are also inflated due to playing in inferior conference as well
 
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mugrat86 said:
Wolf didn't really have as good a season as people mentioned on other posts. He averaged 10 points a game, 5.4 rebounds, 0.8 blocks per game, and 58% from line. Given those numbers occurred in a league with inferior talent, you could probably reduce those numbers by at least 15% if he played in BIG1G. Yes he probably could have been of some value, just not sure if it would have been a significant value

Simpson definitely would've brought some more wins if he replaced Jmike. He averaged 13 points per game (42% from floor), 4.7 rebounds per game, 6.3 assists per game, 91% from line. Simpson is also a very good defender. These numbers are also inflated due to playing in inferior conference as well
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And would be competing with Francis for best foul shooter on the team. Speed kills too. Fans should have been better to him. Carried a bad team to 15-17 as a sophomore. Took so much crap.
 
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Who knows how Pike would use them.

I watched Derek play on Saturday. He was impressive. Very good court general.

I looked at Derek stats. Very consistent performer. Started all 29 games, averaging 14 points per game including 14 straight double-digit games and only 2 games with less than 8 points. 5.1 assists per game is more than double everybody on Rutgers, 5.2 rebounds per game better than all Rutgers guards. Brings spark too - #3 point guard in country with 16 dunks - more than Rutgers guard combined.

Derek's shooting stats have improved. Better coaching probably plays a big role. Derek doesn't take bad shots any more because St. Joe's offense doesn't allow bad shots whereas Pike let's his players shoot from wherever they choose.

See shot charts from most recent St. Joe's (left) and Rutgers (right) games.

Hindsight is 20/20 and nobody knows how Pike decides his lineups but Rutgers would have won more games this year if Derek was the starting point guard.


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Fat Koko said:
Who knows how Pike would use them.

I watched Derek play on Saturday. He was impressive. Very good court general.

I looked at Derek stats. Very consistent performer. Started all 29 games, averaging 14 points per game including 14 straight double-digit games and only 2 games with less than 8 points. 5.1 assists per game is more than double everybody on Rutgers, 5.2 rebounds per game better than all Rutgers guards. Brings spark too - #3 point guard in country with 16 dunks - more than Rutgers guard combined.

Derek's shooting stats have improved. Better coaching probably plays a big role. Derek doesn't take bad shots any more because St. Joe's offense doesn't allow bad shots whereas Pike let's his players shoot from wherever they choose.

See shot charts from most recent St. Joe's (left) and Rutgers (right) games.

Hindsight is 20/20 and nobody knows how Pike decides his lineups but Rutgers would have won more games this year if Derek was the starting point guard.


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Probably more maturity than coaching, but who knows. Do JMike 1st year to now, wonder if we see similar.
 
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Fat Koko said:
Who knows how Pike would use them.

I watched Derek play on Saturday. He was impressive. Very good court general.

I looked at Derek stats. Very consistent performer. Started all 29 games, averaging 14 points per game including 14 straight double-digit games and only 2 games with less than 8 points. 5.1 assists per game is more than double everybody on Rutgers, 5.2 rebounds per game better than all Rutgers guards. Brings spark too - #3 point guard in country with 16 dunks - more than Rutgers guard combined.

Derek's shooting stats have improved. Better coaching probably plays a big role. Derek doesn't take bad shots any more because St. Joe's offense doesn't allow bad shots whereas Pike let's his players shoot from wherever they choose.

See shot charts from most recent St. Joe's (left) and Rutgers (right) games.

Hindsight is 20/20 and nobody knows how Pike decides his lineups but Rutgers would have won more games this year if Derek was the starting point guard.


View attachment 1205001View attachment 12049974 of 28 on threes isn't bad shot coaching? I wouldn't use that SJ chart yo exhibit great offensive production.
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Fellow RU fans coming around as I was among the lone or few defenders.

Pike let him shoot for two reasons. He was the only one who could get off his own shot and the only one who could score. Wasn’t bad coaching. Still amazed we went 15-17. That was actually very good coaching.
 
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seansherm said:
Probably more maturity than coaching, but who knows. Do JMike 1st year to now, wonder if we see similar.
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Derek has improved in every statistical category at St. Joe's, with a telling exception: Two point attempts. He doesn't take mid rangers at St. Joe's because they run offensive focused on efficient shooting. Derek has more turnovers because he is the point guard for 34 minutes a game and more than makes up for it with more assists and a better assist-to-turnover ratio.

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JaMichael's stats are all over the place. Only a touch of improvement from freshman to junior seasons. Sophomore year is not a great comp for JMike because Dylan was crowding out the other guards that season.

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Fat Koko said:
Derek has improved in every statistical category at St. Joe's, with a telling exception: Two point attempts. He doesn't take mid rangers at St. Joe's because they run offensive focused on efficient shooting. Derek has more turnovers because he is the point guard for 34 minutes a game and more than makes up for it with more assists and a better assist-to-turnover ratio.

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JaMichael's stats are all over the place. Only a touch of improvement from freshman to junior seasons. Sophomore year is not a great comp for JMike because Dylan was crowding out the other guards that season.

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Sources: Sports Reference, Fat Koko
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I see some similarities with their 3 point attempts rate. Derek was just under 25% his two years here, hes taken that to over 42 both his years ar St. JOES. JMike was at 20% his first year, now takes 37% of his shots from 3. They're both taking more efficient shots now, JMike shootingit better from deep while Derek has only gotten himself up to 30%.
 
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Fat Koko said:
Derek has improved in every statistical category at St. Joe's, with a telling exception: Two point attempts. He doesn't take mid rangers at St. Joe's because they run offensive focused on efficient shooting. Derek has more turnovers because he is the point guard for 34 minutes a game and more than makes up for it with more assists and a better assist-to-turnover ratio.

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JaMichael's stats are all over the place. Only a touch of improvement from freshman to junior seasons. Sophomore year is not a great comp for JMike because Dylan was crowding out the other guards that season.

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Sources: Sports Reference, Fat Koko
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Not sure how you're dismissing JMike improving his 3pt % by 17% and FT by 23% as a "touch" of improvement
 
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Wolf is definitely better than Dortch but I’ve watched him play three times this season and he’s right where he belongs.
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I have not watched one game but based on numbers I would tend to agree. Dortch would probably ride the bench if he was at Miami of Ohio
 
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Using Brad Torvik stats, offensive rating and PORPAGATU!, JMike and Derek were bad college basketball players in 2024. Around 2,300 are ranked each season. Wolf wasn't ranked in 2024. This season, JMike is an average player and Derek is a good player. This season, he is a slightly above average player.

2023-2024 ORTG PORPAGATU!
JMike 2,197 2,101
Derek 2,130 1,761
Wolf NR NR

2025-2026 ORTG PORPAGATU!
JMike 1,149 1,236
Derek 868 351
Wolf 671 1,027

Sources: Brad Torvik, Fat Koko
 
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mugrat86 said:
Wolf didn't really have as good a season as people mentioned on other posts. He averaged 10 points a game, 5.4 rebounds, 0.8 blocks per game, and 58% from line. Given those numbers occurred in a league with inferior talent, you could probably reduce those numbers by at least 15% if he played in BIG1G. Yes he probably could have been of some value, just not sure if it would have been a significant value

Simpson definitely would've brought some more wins if he replaced Jmike. He averaged 13 points per game (42% from floor), 4.7 rebounds per game, 6.3 assists per game, 91% from line. Simpson is also a very good defender. These numbers are also inflated due to playing in inferior conference as well
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Haven’t seen either play, but they both appear to have improved based on their stats.. But playing against lower level competition tends to inflate results. Moreover, Wolf is probably not undersized where he is playing, which makes a huge difference.
 
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Simpson starting PG Francis at the 2 yes we win more games. Not enough though! 3-5 games is my guess. More scoring, play making , rebounding, and allows Pike to cut JMike’s mins.
 
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