Wolf playing the 4

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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Someone remind me please.

Were there some posters here adamant that there is no way he can play and defend at the 4?
 

zappaa

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I wanted to see more Wolf at the 4 for better rebounding and hedging.
What is the purpose of your post?
If YOU like him at the forward position say so and be pleased about it… what in the world does asking who are the people that didn’t do for you?
Offensively, he’s not a shooting threat which means defenses can ignore him when he’s away from the basket
 
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I mean, I still think it hurts the offense a fair bit. But he was incredible defensively, was running through picks and guarding a guy who’s really a small forward and locked him down in the second half. He was really incredible on D last night. Will work better when Mags back but certainly someone that deserves time on the court.
 

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Yes it was me who also posted he would play the 4 a lot. That’s his natural position. His offense will come around. Very athletic.
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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I wanted to see more Wolf at the 4 for better rebounding and hedging.
What is the purpose of your post?
If YOU like him at the forward position say it and be pleased about it… what in the world does asking who are the people that didn’t do for you?
Offensively, he’s not a shooting threat which means defenses can ignore him when he’s away from the basket
Be quiet, what's that made up word you used, "pudner".
 

zappaa

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Be quiet, what's that made up word you used, "pudner".
The made up word “ pudner” that has befuddled you, is a word my ex teammate Willie Stargell (who was from Oklahoma)
Frequently used in jest when referring to people from the South West part of the country.
 
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1. We only have 2 centers
2. It is 2023

Woolfolk is a stopgap. I am very impressed with how he changed his body and who he can now defend.

Woolfolks minutes are coming at the expense of Gavins bad defense and rebounding
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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1. We only have 2 centers
2. It is 2023

Woolfolk is a stopgap. I am very impressed with how he changed his body and who he can now defend.

Woolfolks minutes are coming at the expense of Gavins bad defense and rebounding
Don't tell people Gavin only played 5+ minutes in the 2nd half because of defense. Some blind fans will argue with you. Lol
 

Greene Rice FIG

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Don't tell people Gavin only played 5+ minutes in the 2nd half because of defense. Some blind fans will argue with you. Lol
Its a major problem. His defensive rebounding suffers too because playing team D is so unnatural for him.

He is trying so hard but he doesnt have it yet
 

needmorecowbell

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Someone remind me please.

Were there some posters here adamant that there is no way he can play and defend at the 4?
He can 100% defend the 4. I don't remember anyone claiming that. He is an offensive liability at the 4 because he can't shoot beyond 8-10 feet. He is playing because they were getting dominated on the boards and Pike decided to go big. It has worked out so far but it will be difficult playing better competition if the defense doesn't need to defend him on the perimeter. Other teams will sag into the lane and stick tighter on our shooters. Not a good combination.
 

BillyC80

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Its a major problem. His defensive rebounding suffers too because playing team D is so unnatural for him.

He is trying so hard but he doesnt have it yet
Credit Pike for sitting GG as much as he does. Has to be a motivator for Gavin to work harder on D and rebounding.

I’ll bet if you asked Gavin’s dad, who played with Pike, he’d say this is just what my kid needs. He’s gonna be that much better having to work hard for PT.
 
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Credit Pike for sitting GG as much as he does. Has to be a motivator for Gavin to work harder on D and rebounding.

I’ll bet if you asked Gavin’s dad, who played with Pike, he’d say this is just what my kid needs. He’s gonna be that much better having to work hard for PT.
I didnt realize his Dad played. I am trying to figure why Gavin doesnt know how to play D off the ball

I expected him as a freshman to struggle defensively, but I never would have imagined he didnt know how to see the ball and his defender. 1st practice of the season coaching rec basketball we worked on ball you man triangle faving players actyally point to both the ball and their man as the ball moved around.
 

FIJI'83

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Wolf is not going to score many FGs. His role is to defend and rebound and aim to become a Caleb like defender but at the 4. And he must, must, work on his FT shooting.
 

NBKnight

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Wolf is not going to score many FGs. His role is to defend and rebound and aim to become a Caleb like defender but at the 4. And he must, must, work on his FT shooting.
Which would be fine if there was lot of offensive firepower at the other spots. Caleb was a defender at 1-3 and sometimes at 4.
 
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RutgersChow

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Quite honestly, outside of blocking shots and maybe rebounding, I'd be interested in hearing anything that Cliff does better than Woolf at the 5.
 

BillyC80

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I didnt realize his Dad played. I am trying to figure why Gavin doesnt know how to play D off the ball

I expected him as a freshman to struggle defensively, but I never would have imagined he didnt know how to see the ball and his defender. 1st practice of the season coaching rec basketball we worked on ball you man triangle faving players actyally point to both the ball and their man as the ball moved around.
Gavin’s dad was 2-time all state center in Connecticut, then played for Hartford before playing professionally overseas. I should have said he played against (not with) Pike at UConn.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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Quite honestly, outside of blocking shots and maybe rebounding, I'd be interested in hearing anything that Dikembe Mutombo does better than Bill Cartwright at the 5.
 
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Scangg

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He can 100% defend the 4. I don't remember anyone claiming that. He is an offensive liability at the 4 because he can't shoot beyond 8-10 feet. He is playing because they were getting dominated on the boards and Pike decided to go big. It has worked out so far but it will be difficult playing better competition if the defense doesn't need to defend him on the perimeter. Other teams will sag into the lane and stick tighter on our shooters. Not a good combination.
This. Wolf can defend the 4. The problem is on offense. In today's bball, your 4 ideally can shoot the 3. Yeboah Ron Mag/Hyatt have been our 4's these last years. Wolf has yet to show he can knock down a mid range shot let alone space the floor to knock down the 3 ball. That makes him a 5 in the modern game.

Wolf's ball handling is pretty solid though at least and he is a good passer which gives him some perimeter skills. Just not a shooter whatsoever so his man is in the lane when he catches the ball behind the arc. That's an issue for offense for Cliff and for guards who need open lanes to penetrate

Wolf has looked very good though. For spurts, it can work at the 4 to help with defense and rebounding. The rebounding numbers have not been good as a team. Do we want Wolf playing 20+ min at the 4? Nope
 

richthedentist

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Quite honestly, outside of blocking shots and maybe rebounding, I'd be interested in hearing anything that Cliff does better than Woolf at the 5.
None Woolf has a much better inside game and moves than Cliff and he definitely has a much higher basketball iQ
 

goru7

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He can 100% defend the 4. I don't remember anyone claiming that. He is an offensive liability at the 4 because he can't shoot beyond 8-10 feet. He is playing because they were getting dominated on the boards and Pike decided to go big. It has worked out so far but it will be difficult playing better competition if the defense doesn't need to defend him on the perimeter. Other teams will sag into the lane and stick tighter on our shooters. Not a good combination.
Except he has to assert himself and take the ball to the hole and score. If Cliff and him are playing together they both have to take it to their man. Wolf at the4 should be able to overpower his man.
He played a lot yesterday because of his defense locking down Styles in the second half. Gavin came in at the 3 and should have blossomed. Wolf is not effecting Gavin
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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He can 100% defend the 4. I don't remember anyone claiming that. He is an offensive liability at the 4 because he can't shoot beyond 8-10 feet. He is playing because they were getting dominated on the boards and Pike decided to go big. It has worked out so far but it will be difficult playing better competition if the defense doesn't need to defend him on the perimeter. Other teams will sag into the lane and stick tighter on our shooters. Not a good combination.

I never commented on Wolf playing the 4 other than mentioning that Pike said he would. Board experts said that was crazy talk and that Pike was crazy if he did it, lol.
 
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RU-Choppin-Ohio

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If Cliff and Wolf are on the court together, we need to be dominating the boards
This is extremely true , otherwise we are giving up a lot elsewhere
Not true. A few inch height advantage at the 4 does not automatically translate into domination in rebounding. If so, Indiana which starts 7'0, 6'9, 6'8 must dominate everybody.

It's not just height and weight. What do you think they will just push everyone out of the way or jump right over them?

Effort counts.....I've seen 6'2 Mike Williams be one of the best offensive rebounders around when he was at Rutgers.
 
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DHajekRC84

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Wolf is not going to score many FGs. His role is to defend and rebound and aim to become a Caleb like defender but at the 4. And he must, must, work on his FT shooting.
AND he needs someone helping him as a special project after hours or something if not happening already. I don't think he's far off on form but man...he's going to get fouled a lot down there and we need these points.