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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Volatility_rivals135605" data-source="post: 131876855" data-attributes="member: 1476288">Did those HC's play an equal SoS?  Did they play the same number of P5 opponents?  Did they inherit a D2 O-line with No P5 QB on the roster?  Did those coaches achieve recruiting records within his first 2 classes?  Did they improve recruiting, or did they continue to recruit at the same level as previous staffs?Comparing historical coaches simply by wins & losses, esp with NB's second year being a shortened covid year, is a dark side of the moon analysis."Glory Days"They are always labeled that because its extremely deviated, not the norm....  WVU is a 7 win program historically. IM not sure WVU will ever return to that level of play.  It was the perfect storm of:Strength of Schedule---- People can say, but they beat UGA & OU.... Thats true, but its easier to lay it all on the line for 1 game at the end of the season, then play quality opponents all year.Generational PlayersGenerational Scheme that was perfectly matched to the playersRRod is one of the godfathers of modern offenses, I dont like him, but he revolutionized the game of football with his concepts that will likely never happen again, or only occurs every few decades, and WVU was extremely lucky to have the coach to do it..That is not the bar I use, because its not the average...Can Brown win >= 8 games per year( 1 higher then our historical average), and can he put us in a position to be competitive for a conference championship 1 in 3-4 years.  Allowing for  4-5 years to build, to reach the plateau, then the frequency of conference championship competitiveness will be higher.  Which after 10-X years of coaching at WVU would average to be 1 in 3-4 years, after he movies on..  The distribution curve is very common for coaches to remain at one spot for 8+ yrs.  The first few years are slow, followed by a sharp increase, then plateau, then ride the slope back down..  The problem I see is many programs stick with that coach for to long after they have already peaked... Like KState did with Bill Snyder or TCU with Gary Patterson..DanaH was a 1 in 8 years coach.... Wasnt good enough..  His ceiling was to low.I dont know if Brown will be able to achieve realistically obtainable goals at WVU.... But I do know, considering the deviated starting point, its to early to feel strongly either way.I think you would be hard pressed to find a comparable situation in P5 in the last 30-40 years... Taking every meaningful factor into consideration.  Are you using coaching examples from a program like Kansas?  Which isnt comparable to WVU...  This is the first time we as fans have experienced a completely depleted roster in a very long time...  We are not use to seeing mostly Fresh & Soph on the field, but that was+is how dire the situation was...  Again, if NB had just an average WVU roster I would feel differently...  I would also feel differently if our losses were not competitive losses given away by a few boneheaded mistakes by a single player...I dont blame DanaH for WVU's loss to OU...  While if you score 5x points you should win that game, as we see now what a quality DC looks like....  That said, WVU was the better team, and Will Grier very unfortunately made two game losing mistakes.  I dont blame coaches for execution mistakes, unless it was a bad play call that caused it and players are developed well.If Doege doesnt make those game losing mistakes, we would not be having this discussion of "Seeing improvement" & "6 Wins or less historically", esp with how Brown is recruiting...My position will quickly change however by the end of the 5th year, if we dont see significant improvement, or by the end of next year should Brown's 2023 recruiting class not be aligned with the 21 & 22 classes..I do agree with your sentiment that in order for HC's to do well at WVU they have to squeeze every drop of potential from every player, scheme, etc...  They have to leverage every possible edge, be more creative, more intelligent, etc... Cause WVU will always......always be at a significant disadvantage compared to 15 or so other programs..</blockquote>

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