Why would a salary cap nil not work?

MissingWCC

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I was just wondering what everyone thought about the idea of a salary cap since CBB is now NBA jr. Schools are hiring their own GMs so why not implement that part of the professional league as well?
 

UK90

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Who is gonna impose and enforce this cap?

The NCAA only has the power to regulate what its member institutions do. But NIL money doesn’t come from the universities, instead it comes from private outside sources. The NCAA has no control over those folks.
 

CNJ1966

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They SAY it’s not a salary…but we all know it basically is. These “endorsements” are just a facade
 
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Seth_C

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They SAY it’s not a salary…but we all know it basically is. These “endorsements” are just a facade
Yes, and to maintain that facade there can be no salary cap because there can be no salary.
 

UK90

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They SAY it’s not a salary…but we all know it basically is. These “endorsements” are just a facade
This is true, it is essentially a de facto salary. But the legal distinction makes all the difference in addressing the OP’s cap question.

The NFL and NBA can impose caps because salary money comes directly from the teams …over whom the League has regulatory control. But the NFL and NBA have zero ability to control how much extra players can make from outside sources.

But with NIL the money is ALL coming from outside sources over whom the NCAA has zero control.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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I was just wondering what everyone thought about the idea of a salary cap since CBB is now NBA jr. Schools are hiring their own GMs so why not implement that part of the professional league as well?
Because unless the players unionize and agree to collective bargaining the courts will view that limit on income as unconstitutional. It would be thrown out instantly.
 
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LadyCaytIL

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Salary and NIL can only be limited if there is a collective bargaining agreement and thats only if there is a players union to do the bargaining.

You know the thing everyone says is the best way , Capitalism..... thats why the supreme court ruled the way they did according to our laws and beliefs as a country.
 
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Lempface

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Because unless the players unionize and agree to collective bargaining the courts will view that limit on income as unconstitutional. It would be thrown out instantly.
Which is likely the only hope of saving college sports. But greed will step in and the current and near-future players will reap the rewards while destroying college sports popularity and the earning potential of future players.

I'm not sure how long it'll take to really have an impact on viewership, and I think some schools will of course remain popular with their fan bases where no pro alternatives exist, but my guess is 10-20 years.

For many people who watch and love college sports it's because of the way insane money affects the on court/field atmosphere/demeanor of professional sports, and they're trying to avoid that.
 

LadyCaytIL

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Which is likely the only hope of saving college sports. But greed will step in and the current and near-future players will reap the rewards while destroying college sports popularity and the earning potential of future players.

I'm not sure how long it'll take to really have an impact on viewership, and I think some schools will of course remain popular with their fan bases where no pro alternatives exist, but my guess is 10-20 years.

For many people who watch and love college sports it's because of the way insane money affects the on court/field professional sports, and they're trying to avoid that.
Doesnt seem like the popularity has dwindled this year at all. I think you are projecting your thoughts onto the country
 

Lempface

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Doesnt seem like the popularity has dwindled this year at all. I think you are projecting your thoughts onto the country
We're in the early phases of this, I'm not saying this is in full flux at this point. It's not to the point of affecting the average fan--yet. But the arms race has clearly begun. That's why I gave a 10-20 year range.

Edit: to be clear I'm still enjoying the sport, just reading the tea leaves. And that's to say if nothing changes regarding wild free agency and exponential payments to the players.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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We're in the early phases of this, I'm not saying this is in full flux at this point. It's not to the point of affecting the average fan--yet. But the arms race has clearly begun. That's why I gave a 10-20 year range.

Edit: to be clear I'm still enjoying the sport, just reading the tea leaves. And that's to say if nothing changes regarding wild free agency and exponential payments to the players.
At the very least the conferences have to get a governing body that has power again. They all have to agree to some set of rules again to stop this yearly free agency.
 

Lempface

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At the very least the conferences have to get a governing body that has power again. They all have to agree to some set of rules again to stop this yearly free agency.
To your point though, unless the players unionize and have a bargaining agreement, based on the way the rulings have all gone in favor of the players lately, I don't see much hope of that.
 

HagginHall1999

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You don't know what NIL is, brother. It's not a salary.

In fairness, no one knows what NIL is, including the governing body.

It isn't really name image or likeness if the offer is now coming from schools to the highest bidder. It is a mess.

I have absolutely zero issue with players making money. My issue (not that anyone necessarily cares) is that how much money a player can make should be up to the player and agent, not the school.

Putting it on the backs of rich boosters and regular fans is stupid and cannot last forever.

Steph Curry donating money to schools to give to players is stupid. It shouldn't be a "highest bidder" thing involving schools. Schools are not professional sports organizations.

Professional sports organizations have salary caps. We are dancing around the subject if anyone truly thinks that NIL is anything less than a salary.

Make the players employees. Put a small salary cap in via legislation. Let the players get whatever they want by seeking their own endorsements.

JMHO
 

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I don’t think people who post these ideas understand their proposals would weaken Kentucky compared to the rest of college basketball. I know we’ve only won one tournament game this decade, but it’s not because of NIL.
 

bnewt

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I don’t think people who post these ideas understand their proposals would weaken Kentucky compared to the rest of college basketball. I know we’ve only won one tournament game this decade, but it’s not because of NIL.
disagree, UK can not compete against the oil fields, gasoline, large corporations
Lexington has none of that. UK has a few large boosters. The coal mines are gone, horse racing struggles, what else is there that can donate to NIL. Kentucky is not a wealthy state
 
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I was just wondering what everyone thought about the idea of a salary cap since CBB is now NBA jr. Schools are hiring their own GMs so why not implement that part of the professional league as well?
A salary cap will revert every school back to adding additional pay to the kids during recruiting with bags of cash under the table like it was for EVERYONE prior to NIL. Do you think Pope can cheat as good as Bruce & Oats and not get caught?
 

UKWildcats1987

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A salary cap will revert every school back to adding additional pay to the kids during recruiting with bags of cash under the table like it was for EVERYONE prior to NIL. Do you think Pope can cheat as good as Bruce & Oats and not get caught?

Nope. I don't see a cap benefitting UK. It's not gonna happen anyways.
 

Boyd94

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It is a salary. We all know these players aren't getting millions to appear at Joe Blow's card shop.
 

rivercatinfl

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Who is gonna impose and enforce this cap?

The NCAA only has the power to regulate what its member institutions do. But NIL money doesn’t come from the universities, instead it comes from private outside sources. The NCAA has no control over those folks.
So do the players get payments directly from sponsors (NIL contributors) and not through the school?