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[sherepower]

Is the only guy who would take the head coaching this job at this point. Coaches are looking at this team and see absolutely no talent except for 2 or 3 players.

This is a total rebuild. This program has sunk to the absolute bottom of college football. Perhaps, to the point of no return.

pathetic

 

[phoenix4nu]

You could exhume Bob Devaney, prop him up on the sidelines and he could outcoach MJ, Chinander, Raiola, Fishers and Whipple.

Can all of them be terrible coaches? When you name that many coaches as being bad, you have to wonder if it really is the coaches or the horrible lack of talent at most positions, especially OL and defense.

 

[Red_Symptoms]

This is beyond coaching. This back to Riley era when we had no draftable talent.

Frost is responsible for the state of the program and deservedly gone. Feel bad for Mickey.

That being said, we have the unfortunate combination of bad talent and a lot of bad coaching, especially on the o-line. They have completely out-schemed us and our o-line is getting beat mentally as well as physically.

 

[Devil505]

Can all of them be terrible coaches? When you name that many coaches as being bad, you have to wonder if it really is the coaches or the horrible lack of talent at most positions, especially OL and defense.

Both. Oklahoma is well coached and studs from end to end

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

Is the only guy who would take the head coaching this job at this point. Coaches are looking at this team and see absolutely no talent except for 2 or 3 players.

This is a total rebuild. This program has sunk to the absolute bottom of college football. Perhaps, to the point of no return.

pathetic

Urban would flip the roster in his first season. No problem.

 

[ssmill777]

Can all of them be terrible coaches? When you name that many coaches as being bad, you have to wonder if it really is the coaches or the horrible lack of talent at most positions, especially OL and defense.

zero talent

 

[Redmich]

You can’t give a guy who was obviously failing in historical fashion 2 extra years

Frost was burying this program through 3 years - and the damage was allowed to continue for another 2

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

You can’t give a guy who was obviously failing in historical fashion 2 extra years

Frost was burying this program through 3 years - and the damage was allowed to continue for another 2

This is what I was pissed about. It didn't need to be that way, yet Frost was allowed to bury the program an additional 2 years. He should have been out on his *** after year 3.

 

[joeydavid]

Urban would flip the roster in his first season. No problem.

Urban has never taken over a team that wasn't stacked relative to it's conference foes.

The OP's reasoning is why P5 coordinator or G5 coach is the probably high water mark.

 

[BOVINEFAN]

You can’t give a guy who was obviously failing in historical fashion 2 extra years

Frost was burying this program through 3 years - and the damage was allowed to continue for another 2

I heard people say he knew "The Nebraska Way" what happened?

 

[HUSKERFAN66]

I heard people say he knew "The Nebraska Way" what happened?

I thought you would be watching uterus trailing utsa

 

[RaulJones]

He sucks. No thanks

 

[RaulJones]

Urban has never taken over a team that wasn't stacked relative to it's conference foes.

The OP's reasoning is why P5 coordinator or G5 coach is the probably high water mark.

Utah and Bowling Green where stacked?

Florida was stacked but couldn't win big.

Ohio St a team we beat was stacked? 6-5

Must have been the coaching?

 

[steinek11]

I heard people say he knew "The Nebraska Way" what happened?

He knows the Nebraska way, but is a lazy MFer more interested in golfing and chasing coeds than putting in the work..

 

[Husker06]

Is the only guy who would take the head coaching this job at this point. Coaches are looking at this team and see absolutely no talent except for 2 or 3 players.

This is a total rebuild. This program has sunk to the absolute bottom of college football. Perhaps, to the point of no return.

pathetic

He’s 157 years old. You think he’s “rebuild” guy?

 

[redfanusa]

The only way Nebraska ever successfully rebuilds is with some coaching continuity that allows everyone associated with the program to be on the same page. A revolving door of coaches is never going to be successful.

With that said, it needs to be led by the right person. There has to be one visionary at the top who has a clear vision of what they want to achieve, and holds EVERYBODY accountable to work toward that singular goal. Nebraska was spoiled for 40 years in that the program experienced very little change, and was under the direction of some very special people.

 

[BuckysBoys1]

There is some NFL players on this roster. Trey Palmer, Grant, Nelson, Volkolek. Frost did nothing to make good players better. Chinander is probably not even a good high school d coordinator. And the offensive line is laughably terrible. Joseph isn't going to win with this roster. We simply can not stop anybody. And we can't do anything on offense if we literally can't block anybody.

 

[RecruitingAnalyst_National]

Is the only guy who would take the head coaching this job at this point. Coaches are looking at this team and see absolutely no talent except for 2 or 3 players.

This is a total rebuild. This program has sunk to the absolute bottom of college football. Perhaps, to the point of no return.

pathetic

There is a lot of talent on this team. It is untapped talent. It is simply waiting for competent coaching

 

[Hford]

Leipold took over a KU program that was 20-108 since Mangino was ousted. He's winning in year 2. Good coaches make a difference. There are plenty of coaches that will take this job, hopefully Trev picks one of the good ones.

 

[The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy]

Can all of them be terrible coaches? When you name that many coaches as being bad, you have to wonder if it really is the coaches or the horrible lack of talent at most positions, especially OL and defense.

Yes, not a lot of talent for this level of play. Cupboard was pretty bare during Riley and got even worse under Frost because of lack of wins, lack of development, transferring, or getting run off.

 

[oldjar07]

Can all of them be terrible coaches? When you name that many coaches as being bad, you have to wonder if it really is the coaches or the horrible lack of talent at most positions, especially OL and defense.

Yes they all can be no better than mediocre coaches anyway. It also shows just how important the head coach is, and everything is a product of that. Frost instilled a losing culture throughout every fiber of the program. What we see on Saturdays is the product of zero player development, a weak, losing mentality, and a team taking after the head coach's stupidity in everything they do resulting in the complete lack or any sense of football awareness we see on Saturdays.

 

[oldjar07]

This is beyond coaching. This back to Riley era when we had no draftable talent.

Frost is responsible for the state of the program and deservedly gone. Feel bad for Mickey.

That being said, we have the unfortunate combination of bad talent and a lot of bad coaching, especially on the o-line. They have completely out-schemed us and our o-line is getting beat mentally as well as physically.

Lack of player development is responsible for the lack of perceived talent we see on Saturdays.

 

[oldjar07]

He knows the Nebraska way, but is a lazy MFer more interested in golfing and chasing coeds than putting in the work..

I don't even think that was the problem. His stupidity was the problem, and even worse he's stubborn and thinks he knows better than everyone else even when everything he did clearly wasn't working.

 

[BOVINEFAN]

I thought you would be watching uterus trailing utsa

Nice win, 41-20!

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Leipold took over a KU program that was 20-108 since Mangino was ousted. He's winning in year 2. Good coaches make a difference. There are plenty of coaches that will take this job, hopefully Trev picks one of the good ones.

I am warming up the idea of Leipold as our next coach more and more. I don't think enough people really and truly appreciate just how awful Kansas was for almost a decade, post-Mangino. For Leipold to come in there and make an immediate turnaround speaks volumes. They just beat a decent Houston team yesterday. But just three years ago they couldn't beat most FCS teams they played.

Leipold might not be a splash hire like an Urban Meyer or a Lane Kiffin or a Mark Stoops. But he has been a damn good coach wherever he has been. And that is what we need more than anything right now.

 

[Anon1669515999]

So we’re saying that these four recruiting classes with an average rating of 32 nationally, and the third best transfer portal class are all terrible, walk on level players. The coaches got it wrong, the national media who rates these players and the local media who said these players were game changers are all wrong. It appears to me it’s player development which falls primarily under position coaches and strength and conditioning. So with a new HC that issue would get changed, unless you have a lousey local media who evaluate coaches like they do recruits, and who want to blow smoke up your tail pipe in order to get more and better access to the new staff and new recruits.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

So we’re saying that these four recruiting classes with an average rating of 32 nationally, and the third best transfer portal class are all terrible, walk on level players. The coaches got it wrong, the national media who rates these players and the local media who said these players were game changers are all wrong. It appears to me it’s player development which falls primarily under position coaches and strength and conditioning. So with a new HC that issue would get changed, unless you have a lousey local media who evaluate coaches like they do recruits, and who want to blow smoke up your tail pipe in order to get more and better access to the new staff and new recruits.

Well that is the hope right? That the problem is not really our level of talent but coaching? I sure hope that is true because it means that a new coach and staff just might be able to turn this thing around quickly. Kind of like Stoops did when he took the talent John Blake recruited, but could not coach, and turned them into winners. Time will tell. Personally, I think we suffer from both a coaching deficit and a talent deficit. I think it is telling that our defense falls apart after we lost some of our most talented guys from last year: Domann, Stille, Daniels, and a few others. If it really is just all a coaching issue then our defense would have been horrible last year too. They were not a great defense by any stretch last year and maybe they could have been with better coaching. But they were not horrible either.

I think we are all engaged in a bit of wish fulfillment when we claim that this is all coaching and has nothing to do with talent. I think some of our recruits and transfers have been overhyped, like Mathis, Thompson, Drew, Wynn and Castenada. Thompson to me plays like a slower version of AMart and yet he was supposedly our savior. Hit him a couple of times and he melts down like butter in a frying pan.

Let's face it, the sad fact is our problem is both coaching and talent so we better hire a real program builder. You know, maybe a coach who was able to make a hapless and woeful Kansas football program into something better than NU is right now in just over one year.

 

[Dean Pope]

This is what I was pissed about. It didn't need to be that way, yet Frost was allowed to bury the program an additional 2 years. He should have been out on his *** after year 3.

It certainly does look that way. What I've been pointing out over that time span was how incredibly bad Scott Frost's practices and practice philosophy was. All of that is coming out now with the latest being Farmer saying that they've been "tagging out" instead of tackling for four years now. But then, the product on the field should have shown that to all of us. It's crap.

 

[oldjar07]

Well that is the hope right? That the problem is not really our level of talent but coaching? I sure hope that is true because it means that a new coach and staff just might be able to turn this thing around quickly. Kind of like Stoops did when he took the talent John Blake recruited, but could not coach, and turned them into winners. Time will tell. Personally, I think we suffer from both a coaching deficit and a talent deficit. I think it is telling that our defense falls apart after we lost some of our most talented guys from last year: Domann, Stille, Daniels, and a few others. If it really is just all a coaching issue then our defense would have been horrible last year too. They were not a great defense by any stretch last year and maybe they could have been with better coaching. But they were not horrible either.

I think we are all engaged in a bit of wish fulfillment when we claim that this is all coaching and has nothing to do with talent. I think some of our recruits and transfers have been overhyped, like Mathis, Thompson, Drew, Wynn and Castenada. Thompson to me plays like a slower version of AMart and yet he was supposedly our savior. Hit him a couple of times and he melts down like butter in a frying pan.

Let's face it, the sad fact is our problem is both coaching and talent so we better hire a real program builder. You know, maybe a coach who was able to make a hapless and woeful Kansas football program into something better than NU is right now in just over one year.

We had a ton of 5th year and 6th year guys on defense last year that helped a lot. So yes it is still a coaching issue, and guys like Daniels and Domann covered up a lot of the issues we had with coaching and lack of player development in other areas, and now that's getting exposed. You can’t tell me a guy like Ty Robinson doesn't have talent. Every program in the country wanted him. And yet player development has been so crap here that he looks like a Div II player when he had high round draft pick written all over him. People really underestimate the impact of bad coaching and a losing culture and what it does to player development.

 

[Headcard]

Can all of them be terrible coaches? When you name that many coaches as being bad, you have to wonder if it really is the coaches or the horrible lack of talent at most positions, especially OL and defense.

That same defensive staff has been here for 5 years.

 

[Redmich]

That same defensive staff has been here for 5 years.

Yes! It’s the coaches job to bring in and develop talent - as, or more important than Xs and Os

 

[kbowe1sat]

zero talent

He ain't coming to our **** storm !

 

[Anon1669515999]

Well that is the hope right? That the problem is not really our level of talent but coaching? I sure hope that is true because it means that a new coach and staff just might be able to turn this thing around quickly. Kind of like Stoops did when he took the talent John Blake recruited, but could not coach, and turned them into winners. Time will tell. Personally, I think we suffer from both a coaching deficit and a talent deficit. I think it is telling that our defense falls apart after we lost some of our most talented guys from last year: Domann, Stille, Daniels, and a few others. If it really is just all a coaching issue then our defense would have been horrible last year too. They were not a great defense by any stretch last year and maybe they could have been with better coaching. But they were not horrible either.

I think we are all engaged in a bit of wish fulfillment when we claim that this is all coaching and has nothing to do with talent. I think some of our recruits and transfers have been overhyped, like Mathis, Thompson, Drew, Wynn and Castenada. Thompson to me plays like a slower version of AMart and yet he was supposedly our savior. Hit him a couple of times and he melts down like butter in a frying pan.

Let's face it, the sad fact is our problem is both coaching and talent so we better hire a real program builder. You know, maybe a coach who was able to make a hapless and woeful Kansas football program into something better than NU is right now in just over one year.

Good analysis, I just think A) we get the wrong coaches B) we don’t care about player development. In twenty years we never heard anyone complain about that issue with Osborne. I think you bring the players in who want to play here then you need to develope the drive to be the best. If the goal is just to get here once you do, goal reached! You need a new goal to reach, something higher, where does that come from.

 

[RiLLLLLLLLey]

This is what I was pissed about. It didn't need to be that way, yet Frost was allowed to bury the program an additional 2 years. He should have been out on his *** after year 3.

I don't doubt that our talent is severely lacking, but is it really so bad as in worst in the conference bad? Admittedly, I haven't followed recruiting even slightly close to what I used to, but I thought our classes have been top 30ish. And our transfer portal ranking was pretty high last year, too.

Am I way off here?

 

[HominidHusker]

I don't doubt that our talent is severely lacking, but is it really so bad as in worst in the conference bad? Admittedly, I haven't followed recruiting even slightly close to what I used to, but I thought our classes have been top 30ish. And our transfer portal ranking was pretty high last year, too.

Am I way off here?

We have the top-30 type classes, and now rank in the 120’s or 130’s for defense = coaching.

We also got owned by OU’s 215 lb true frosh LB in Jaran Kanak (from Kansas). True freshman dominating our more experienced team.
Anytime a 215 freshman from Kansas owns your team, the finger might point to coaching.

 

[PCastro]

We have the top-30 type classes, and now rank in the 120’s or 130’s for defense = coaching.

We also got owned by OU’s 215 lb true frosh LB in Jaran Kanak (from Kansas). True freshman dominating our more experienced team.
Anytime a 215 freshman from Kansas owns your team, the finger might point to coaching.

Recruit rankings dont matter when they leave. They especially dont matter when schools with big recruiting followings have their ratings inflated for purposes of The recruiting sites business models

 

[RiLLLLLLLLey]

Recruit rankings dont matter when they leave. They especially dont matter when schools with big recruiting followings have their ratings inflated for purposes of The recruiting sites business models

All true. I guess I just find it hard to believe that our talent level is bottom half tier. But Nebraska football has been hard to believe for quite a while now.

 

[dinglefritz]

I don't doubt that our talent is severely lacking, but is it really so bad as in worst in the conference bad? Admittedly, I haven't followed recruiting even slightly close to what I used to, but I thought our classes have been top 30ish. And our transfer portal ranking was pretty high last year, too.

Am I way off here?

our DC was awful. Period. When your offense feels like it has to score on every possession, it puts a TON of pressure on your QB and OC. Clearly Venables has fixed OU's defense. He's a very good DC and it showed yesterday. Let's see what we can do against other mediocre B1G teams without Chin before we bury Whipple and Mickey

 

[RiLLLLLLLLey]

our DC was awful. Period. When your offense feels like it has to score on every possession, it puts a TON of pressure on your QB and OC. Clearly Venables has fixed OU's defense. He's a very good DC and it showed yesterday. Let's see what we can do against other mediocre B1G teams without Chin before we bury Whipple and Mickey

Yup. And it's scary that a few people were saying Chins could/should replace Frost if he were canned last year.

 

[dand84]

This is what I was pissed about. It didn't need to be that way, yet Frost was allowed to bury the program an additional 2 years. He should have been out on his *** after year 3.

This in a nutshell