When will these surges end?

[TMcGrady1]

Look I know the media and the WHO have an agenda, but I also know that almost 90 million Americans have been vaccinated as have many millions around the world. I mean I assume it would be completely out of control right now like nothing we have yet seen if there was no vaccine, but when should this slow down? Are these waves of spikes going to continue into 2022 and impact our football season all year again?

https://apple.news/AuV55dm_SRlCmthNMd26lUA

 

[anon1753124268]

Tuesday. Glad I could help!

 

[tigersurg]

I don’t think it will ever “end” completely. It’s a cold virus

 

[kingkyle1008]

Two more weeks

 

[TMcGrady1]

I don’t think it will ever “end” completely. It’s a cold virus

Understood, I guess I meant when will these spikes stop and when will it be under control. Because it’s not despite tons of people being vaccinated.

 

[tigerwoodnc]

Understood, I guess I meant when will these spikes stop and when will it be under control. Because it’s not despite tons of people being vaccinated.

When we stop all this crazy testing. The more tests, the more positives. Plus a lot of these rapid tests aren’t accurate.
Another question. When a person tests positive on a rapid test, most times they are retested to confirm. Does that get double counted? In most cases is say it does.

 

[anon1753124268]

Understood, I guess I meant when will these spikes stop and when will it be under control. Because it’s not despite tons of people being vaccinated.

Oh. Once we reach herd immunity.

 

[Clemsonu0219]

When the people want it to stop, it will stop. Other than that, it won’t stop, too much power being accumulated.

 

[lvgator12]

I don’t think you will see a spike in the US like we have seen before. However, you will spikes around the world for at least another year.

 

[chassc]

“Fear sells”
-CNN employee on undercover video

 

[tigerken]

Look I know the media and the WHO have an agenda, but I also know that almost 90 million Americans have been vaccinated as have many millions around the world. I mean I assume it would be completely out of control right now like nothing we have yet seen if there was no vaccine, but when should this slow down? Are these waves of spikes going to continue into 2022 and impact our football season all year again?

https://apple.news/AuV55dm_SRlCmthNMd26lUA

The article you reference is mainly focused on spikes around the world that are greatly behind Usa in vaccination rates. In the USA over 50% of adults have had at least one shot, with millions more getting shots everyday. We are likely at herd immunity or will be in next few weeks besides a few hot spots that will go down soon

 

[CU1TruTiger4Life]

When everyone in America starts wearing 5 masks and stays at home and codes.

 

[petegroove]

“Fear sells”
-CNN employee on undercover video

Lol. CNN got tired of FOX killing them with that strategy.

 

[doodog]

 

[jspears5]

Herd is above 75% so the sooner all the vaccine hold outs get the jab the sooner it ends.

Bunch of people screaming for all of this to end need to wear masks and get the shot so it can end

 

[SherbertOrange]

Herd is above 75% so the sooner all the vaccine hold outs get the jab the sooner it ends.

Bunch of people screaming for all of this to end need to wear masks and get the shot so it can end

Not sure about the mask part, but I agree, if you’re refusing to get the stab, you have no room to complain about restrictions, etc.

That said, it’s each person’s decision to make.

 

[Little Lebowski Urban Achiever]

The “surge” is relative, and is just a way for the media to keep us afraid and glued to our TVs.

When we’re down to one case, they’ll say there’s a surge when there’s a second case

 

[tigerod]

Have a friend who was an antivaxer. His family lived in a northern state and were fervent anti maskers and antivaxers. My friend asked me to review the information that his family used as the basis for their views.

Instead of reading the information, I researched the people who were responsible for the information. Not surprisingly, they were a bunch of totally unqualified people who wanted to sucker you in and then sell you vitamins or supplements to keep you safe.

My friend decided to go ahead and get vaccinated. In the meantime, his entire family came down with Covid and one of them died. A couple of them are not out of the woods yet.

The new variants, while not more deadly, are more contagious. Consequently their is going to be a surge in the unvaccinated population. I think the vaccinated tend to hang out with the vaccinated and the unvaccinated tend to hang together.

Getting the vaccine is certainly each individual’s right. My recommendation, for what it’s worth, is for everyone to do their research and make an informed decision. Listening to uninformed friends or social media is a poor way to make a decision.

 

[Tigerbomb]

The testing is flawed and has been since the beginning.

We are down to two options. The vaccine doesn't work or the cases have been hyperinflated. You can't have 75% of the adult population vaccinated and still have 60,000 cases/day, especially when 30 million have already had Covid and kids are not spreading it.

The US is at a crossroads and it will be interesting to see how they spin it.

I also find it disingenuous that the SCDHEC has resorted to "probable" cases accounting for almost half of the reported cases over the last month when the overall percentage has been roughly 10% of cases since this began. Why is that? Simply put, it is another way to instill fear that cases are still high to prod people to get vaccinated.

 

[TMcGrady1]

The testing is flawed and has been since the beginning.

We are down to two options. The vaccine doesn't work or the cases have been hyperinflated. You can't have 75% of the adult population vaccinated and still have 60,000 cases/day, especially when 30 million have already had Covid and kids are not spreading it.

The US is at a crossroads and it will be interesting to see how they spin it.

I also find it disingenuous that the SCDHEC has resorted to "probable" cases accounting for almost half of the reported cases over the last month when the overall percentage has been roughly 10% of cases since this began. Why is that? Simply put, it is another way to instill fear that cases are still high to prod people to get vaccinated.

This is what’s not adding up to me either. You nailed it: it’s either the vaccine doesn’t work, or the numbers should be improving much more.

 

[gregorycarlisle]

Look I know the media and the WHO have an agenda, but I also know that almost 90 million Americans have been vaccinated as have many millions around the world. I mean I assume it would be completely out of control right now like nothing we have yet seen if there was no vaccine, but when should this slow down? Are these waves of spikes going to continue into 2022 and impact our football season all year again?

https://apple.news/AuV55dm_SRlCmthNMd26lUA

Go back and look at SARS, N1H1. When are they going to end?

 

[lvilletiger_rivals]

The testing is flawed and has been since the beginning.

We are down to two options. The vaccine doesn't work or the cases have been hyperinflated. You can't have 75% of the adult population vaccinated and still have 60,000 cases/day, especially when 30 million have already had Covid and kids are not spreading it.

The US is at a crossroads and it will be interesting to see how they spin it.

I also find it disingenuous that the SCDHEC has resorted to "probable" cases accounting for almost half of the reported cases over the last month when the overall percentage has been roughly 10% of cases since this began. Why is that? Simply put, it is another way to instill fear that cases are still high to prod people to get vaccinated.

Not sure where you are getting that 75% of adult population has been vaccinated, but that is way off. I don't think 75% will ever be fully vaccinated based on hesitancy and anti-vax sentiment.

 

[Clemson_WRU]

Are people still concerned with COVID?

Look I know the media and the WHO have an agenda, but I also know that almost 90 million Americans have been vaccinated as have many millions around the world. I mean I assume it would be completely out of control right now like nothing we have yet seen if there was no vaccine, but when should this slow down? Are these waves of spikes going to continue into 2022 and impact our football season all year again?

https://apple.news/AuV55dm_SRlCmthNMd26lUA

 

[TheValley91]

The testing is flawed and has been since the beginning.

We are down to two options. The vaccine doesn't work or the cases have been hyperinflated. You can't have 75% of the adult population vaccinated and still have 60,000 cases/day, especially when 30 million have already had Covid and kids are not spreading it.

The US is at a crossroads and it will be interesting to see how they spin it.

I also find it disingenuous that the SCDHEC has resorted to "probable" cases accounting for almost half of the reported cases over the last month when the overall percentage has been roughly 10% of cases since this began. Why is that? Simply put, it is another way to instill fear that cases are still high to prod people to get vaccinated.

75 percent of the population isnt vaccinated. Reports are we will only have 50-60% of the population vaccinated and that won't be enough for herd immunity.

 

[Tigerbomb]

Not sure where you are getting that 75% of adult population has been vaccinated, but that is way off. I don't think 75% will ever be fully vaccinated based on hesitancy and anti-vax sentiment.

The adult population is roughly 200 million.

As of today, around 200 million doses have been administered and roughly 50% of the adult population has received at least one shot.

We may not reach 75% but it will be close by the end of May, certainly enough to make cases plummet if it works as well as they claim.

That doesn't even take into account the millions of people who had Covid but will not get vaccinated.

 

[scott in nashville]

One of my clients is Beaumont Hospital Systems in Detroit. They are at 95% capacity (total bed count) with the majority being Covid. Some hotspots are absolutely still a problem.

I actually am surprised that countries like India and China haven't been leveled by the disease. Not exactly clean environments and with tons of population to spread it. My dad tutors Chinese students still at CU and one of them is from Wuhan. Her parents are still on lockdown, despite what you read from the Chinese government.

 

[TheValley91]

The adult population is roughly 200 million.

As of today, around 200 million doses have been administered and roughly 50% of the adult population has received at least one shot.

We may not reach 75% but it will be close by the end of May, certainly enough to make cases plummet if it works as well as they claim.

That doesn't even take into account the millions of people who had Covid but will not get vaccinated.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...d-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state

 

[jgilchrist7_]

Understood, I guess I meant when will these spikes stop and when will it be under control. Because it’s not despite tons of people being vaccinated.

The spikes started back when the vaccine became public

 

[nytigerfan]

When we stop all this crazy testing. The more tests, the more positives. Plus a lot of these rapid tests aren’t accurate.
Another question. When a person tests positive on a rapid test, most times they are retested to confirm. Does that get double counted? In most cases is say it does.

It’s the other way around. If the rapid test is positive, you are assumed to have it and you have to quarantine for two weeks. If the rapid test is negative then they give you a PCR test and you have to quarantine for ten days or until your PCR comes back negative.

 

[tigerjl]

Have a friend who was an antivaxer. His family lived in a northern state and were fervent anti maskers and antivaxers. My friend asked me to review the information that his family used as the basis for their views.

Instead of reading the information, I researched the people who were responsible for the information. Not surprisingly, they were a bunch of totally unqualified people who wanted to sucker you in and then sell you vitamins or supplements to keep you safe.

My friend decided to go ahead and get vaccinated. In the meantime, his entire family came down with Covid and one of them died. A couple of them are not out of the woods yet.

The new variants, while not more deadly, are more contagious. Consequently their is going to be a surge in the unvaccinated population. I think the vaccinated tend to hang out with the vaccinated and the unvaccinated tend to hang together.

Getting the vaccine is certainly each individual’s right. My recommendation, for what it’s worth, is for everyone to do their research and make an informed decision. Listening to uninformed friends or social media is a poor way to make a decision.

Well done and balanced. Lacking in the world today.

I am slightly confused as to why those that chose to get vaccinated are so concerned about those that don't. If a "surge" is somewhat limited to those that chose not to get vaccinated, some of those have had the virus and have some level of immunity. The new case number should still decrease over time and overall cases + vaccinations should hit a point where it burns out. If we take the Florida approach and vaccinate the most vulnerable at a high %, the case count should not be the primary metric. Hospitalizations / deaths should be primary at that point. We will need to learn to live with this like we have every other virus year to year.

 

[wallaceb]

Look I know the media and the WHO have an agenda, but I also know that almost 90 million Americans have been vaccinated as have many millions around the world. I mean I assume it would be completely out of control right now like nothing we have yet seen if there was no vaccine, but when should this slow down? Are these waves of spikes going to continue into 2022 and impact our football season all year again?

https://apple.news/AuV55dm_SRlCmthNMd26lUA

When ~ 70% are vaccinated.

 

[Trading Tiger]

Understood, I guess I meant when will these spikes stop and when will it be under control. Because it’s not despite tons of people being vaccinated.

Other than the very beginning, when has it been out of control?

It is completely under control, and it won't ever go away, or get out of control again. You gotta remember, the test only has like 50% accuracy.

 

[Big Don]

We need to go by what is happening in our country , not around the world. Refuse to believe rates are up in US. What I see in this area is waaaaay down the last month. Time to get on with our lives in the south. Be cautious but live life a little

 

[tigerod]

Well done and balanced. Lacking in the world today.

I am slightly confused as to why those that chose to get vaccinated are so concerned about those that don't. If a "surge" is somewhat limited to those that chose not to get vaccinated, some of those have had the virus and have some level of immunity. The new case number should still decrease over time and overall cases + vaccinations should hit a point where it burns out. If we take the Florida approach and vaccinate the most vulnerable at a high %, the case count should not be the primary metric. Hospitalizations / deaths should be primary at that point. We will need to learn to live with this like we have every other virus year to year.

To answer your question: I think the main reason most be who are vaccinated are so concerned about those
that don't is simply they go vaccinated because they are convinced it works. Their opinion is that the easiest
way out of this pandemic is to have everyone possible vaccinated.

There are many good points in this thread by the antivaxers. I agree that many of the statistics we see published by the government or in the newspaper are way off. The number of cases is questionable because of bad tests, counting the same case multiple times, and not being able to identify the peoples who had "silent" Covid and were never tested. The number of Covid deaths is a joke. Many of those people were on the brink of death when they got Covid and "maybe" Covid tipped them over the edge. In my opinion, that should not be considered a death caused by Covid. I hear that doctors and hospitals make more money if it is deemed a Covid death. Some of you better informed than me might want to weigh in on that.

The point that I disagree with is the concept that the vaccine doesn't work. My opinion and observations is that it works and works very well. My concept of working is that I may be infected with Covid, but there is a 95% chance that I will be asymptomatic and a 5% chance that I will have mild symptoms, There is almost no chance that I will have severe Covid. So far my experience with my friends and my patients supports my position. If I see that is not the case, I will post it on TI immediately.

 

[tigerod]

To answer your question: I think the main reason most be who are vaccinated are so concerned about those
that don't is simply they go vaccinated because they are convinced it works. Their opinion is that the easiest
way out of this pandemic is to have everyone possible vaccinated.

There are many good points in this thread by the antivaxers. I agree that many of the statistics we see published by the government or in the newspaper are way off. The number of cases is questionable because of bad tests, counting the same case multiple times, and not being able to identify the peoples who had "silent" Covid and were never tested. The number of Covid deaths is a joke. Many of those people were on the brink of death when they got Covid and "maybe" Covid tipped them over the edge. In my opinion, that should not be considered a death caused by Covid. I hear that doctors and hospitals make more money if it is deemed a Covid death. Some of you better informed than me might want to weigh in on that.

The point that I disagree with is the concept that the vaccine doesn't work. My opinion and observations is that it works and works very well. My concept of working is that I may be infected with Covid, but there is a 95% chance that I will be asymptomatic and a 5% chance that I will have mild symptoms, There is almost no chance that I will have severe Covid. So far my experience with my friends and my patients supports my position. If I see that is not the case, I will post it on TI immediately.

Sorry for the first paragraph>

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I’d expect them to continue somewhat until enough people are vaccinated. We might see less hospitalizations and deaths relative to case numbers, though, because older people will be vaccinated.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Not sure where you are getting that 75% of adult population has been vaccinated, but that is way off. I don't think 75% will ever be fully vaccinated based on hesitancy and anti-vax sentiment.

The misinformation that people will believe and spread about this stuff if it fits their preferred narrative is kind of amazing. You’d think people would just check this stuff.

The US is at about 33% covered by vaccination, and will get to about 75% in 3 months.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

 

[ClemsonLI]

Herd is above 75% so the sooner all the vaccine hold outs get the jab the sooner it ends.

Bunch of people screaming for all of this to end need to wear masks and get the shot so it can end

This.

Talked to a close friend at Pfizer working on the rollout today and they dont expect to get above 60%.

Too many people are not getting vaccinated.

She said their belief is unless the schools require it we wont get above 75%.

 

[Flat Rock`s Finest]

Too much "news" being put out by people with an agenda on both sides. The "anti" folks are mostly like me. I dont begrudge anyone doing what they feel is in their best interests ie, wearing masks or getting an untested shot.

Just don't force this crap on people who don't want any part of the masks or the shots.

It's just a bunch of confusing BS. I go to my daughters home soccer games in a non Democrat controlled town/County and I dont have to wear a mask. I go to away games at Democrat run towns/counties and I have people telling me I can't enter a football stadium that's at about 1/4 capacity for a girls soccer game even though the STATE of SC says I don't have to wear a mask.

One game in Sumter County, we have a cop hollering at us as soon as we exit the car that we have to have a mask to be on school grounds. Its a bunch of ******** and if the state of SC or the state of GA says I dont need a damn mask, then it shouldn't vary from town to town or county to county. Enough of this ********.

 

[dfrctigersc]

Look I know the media and the WHO have an agenda, but I also know that almost 90 million Americans have been vaccinated as have many millions around the world. I mean I assume it would be completely out of control right now like nothing we have yet seen if there was no vaccine, but when should this slow down? Are these waves of spikes going to continue into 2022 and impact our football season all year again?

https://apple.news/AuV55dm_SRlCmthNMd26lUA

Certain folks have gained almost complete control due to the virus, not sure they are going to let it go any time soon. Still need to get the Supreme Court packed and a whole bunch of other things with voting to ensure they stay in power untethered. Once that happens my guess is the virus along with racism will disappear overnight.