There's no excuse for this. They need to break ground on a new practice facility ASAP. I know many of you, the longtime fans, have stopped showing up and are not renewing their tickets for next season. I'm only a recent graduate and I'm already sick of it. I've only heard stories from relatives about how great Rutgers USED TO BE. Now, it's just sickening to watch. The problem may be Eddie, but it may not be. Either way we will be going nowhere fast without better facilities. What else will get the message across to Barchi and Julie that this is unacceptable?
What more does the administration need to see?
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It matters little if Julie "gets it". It really means nothing. She is the athletic director. It is her job to change things. If her hands are tied, she either needs to figure a way to untie them or quit. She gets paid a lot of money. She needs to do more than schedule games. If she thinks the coach is not the right man, she needs from figure out how to move him out and find her guy. "Getting it" is not enough.
And I will seperate the infrastructure discussion for now. A practice facility will cost $30 mil. Buying out the coach will cost maybe $3 mil. And somebody like Maisello would come here. If you don't think Rutgers we be in a better place with Maisello or Cluess than our current coach, you don't understand what kind of coach it takes in this type of circumstance. Isaiah Thomas would not have won here. Neither will Eddie.
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And I will seperate the infrastructure discussion for now. A practice facility will cost $30 mil. Buying out the coach will cost maybe $3 mil. And somebody like Maisello would come here. If you don't think Rutgers we be in a better place with Maisello or Cluess than our current coach, you don't understand what kind of coach it takes in this type of circumstance. Isaiah Thomas would not have won here. Neither will Eddie.
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Syosset posted on 2/22/2015...
We'll said, Ruman.
"Julie gets it" is the catchphrase crutch of this fan base. Either get it or quit
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Either get it done Julie, or quit.
We'll said, Ruman.
"Julie gets it" is the catchphrase crutch of this fan base. Either get it or quit
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Either get it done Julie, or quit.
I am sick and tired of the facilities argument. We are not playing in a broken down gym in the middle of Camden.
The right coach can get this rolling in the right direction...Eddie is NOT the answer. I agree...lets eat $3mm now and worry about the $30mm later.
The right coach can get this rolling in the right direction...Eddie is NOT the answer. I agree...lets eat $3mm now and worry about the $30mm later.
I was walking out of the RAC this evening when I overheard two Indiana fans saying how they thought we had a pretty nice facility here.
The facilities are not the major issue.
We are not looking to be a perennial contender for the national championship.
Fielding a competitive B1G team that gets to the NIT or NCAA every few years would be welcomed by the fanbase.
We need to recruit better.
Neither Calipari, Pittino, Izzo, Creen, or Coach K would do much better with this current roster.
The talent level needs to be improved and it will take a special coaching staff to achieve this.
I can't see how Eddie can recruit enough B1G talent.
I am pretty sure Eddie sees the writing on the wall.
To those who argue that EJ inherited a mess and needs several years to clean it up, I disagree.
I don't believe he can adequately recruit and by sticking with the status quo we are delaying the inevitable.
Unfortunately, we are not in a financial position to buy out his contract.
Assuming we can lure the right coach, Eddie would need to agree to step aside.
Many of us feel Danny or Bobby Hurley can get the job done.
The facilities are not the major issue.
We are not looking to be a perennial contender for the national championship.
Fielding a competitive B1G team that gets to the NIT or NCAA every few years would be welcomed by the fanbase.
We need to recruit better.
Neither Calipari, Pittino, Izzo, Creen, or Coach K would do much better with this current roster.
The talent level needs to be improved and it will take a special coaching staff to achieve this.
I can't see how Eddie can recruit enough B1G talent.
I am pretty sure Eddie sees the writing on the wall.
To those who argue that EJ inherited a mess and needs several years to clean it up, I disagree.
I don't believe he can adequately recruit and by sticking with the status quo we are delaying the inevitable.
Unfortunately, we are not in a financial position to buy out his contract.
Assuming we can lure the right coach, Eddie would need to agree to step aside.
Many of us feel Danny or Bobby Hurley can get the job done.
To those who argue that EJ inherited a mess and needs several years to clean it up, I disagree.
I don't believe he can adequately recruit and by sticking with the status quo we are delaying the inevitable.
Unfortunately, we are not in a financial position to buy out his contract.
Assuming we can lure the right coach, Eddie would need to agree to step aside.
Many of us feel Danny or Bobby Hurley can get the job done.
I disagree.
I don't believe he can adequately recruit and by sticking with the status quo we are delaying the inevitable.
Unfortunately, we are not in a financial position to buy out his contract.
Assuming we can lure the right coach, Eddie would need to agree to step aside.
Many of us feel Danny or Bobby Hurley can get the job done
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I agree entirely with your thinking except for the following - why the heck is Eddie going to step aside and forfeit $4 million. Unless you have some inside knowledge, your thinking is fantasy. If we wanted to make a move, a buyout would be needed. That's probably $3 million bucks. That is not happening. Even the most loyal representative to this school is not walking away scot free.
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I don't believe he can adequately recruit and by sticking with the status quo we are delaying the inevitable.
Unfortunately, we are not in a financial position to buy out his contract.
Assuming we can lure the right coach, Eddie would need to agree to step aside.
Many of us feel Danny or Bobby Hurley can get the job done.
I disagree.
I don't believe he can adequately recruit and by sticking with the status quo we are delaying the inevitable.
Unfortunately, we are not in a financial position to buy out his contract.
Assuming we can lure the right coach, Eddie would need to agree to step aside.
Many of us feel Danny or Bobby Hurley can get the job done
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I agree entirely with your thinking except for the following - why the heck is Eddie going to step aside and forfeit $4 million. Unless you have some inside knowledge, your thinking is fantasy. If we wanted to make a move, a buyout would be needed. That's probably $3 million bucks. That is not happening. Even the most loyal representative to this school is not walking away scot free.
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Yea, I only understand the facilities argument to a point because good recruits have came here. In the end it all comes down to coaching. It's been 24 freaking years. There have been too many schools to count with WAYYYYYYY less than Rutgers that have at least made the tournament once, let alone schools that have had multiple runs. It's not even like anyone's asking for alot, just not to be embarrassed over and over again. Rutgers was in the best basketball conference in the country and couldnt once make the tourney and now they're in the best conference again and aren't even getting close. I can't fathom how RU didn't even get lucky once. It defies logic with the environment they've been in;
Bottom lime it doesn't matter what the administration sees or doesn't see because THEY DO NOT CARE.
It isn't just facilities, which are horrible. Is there another p5 school without a practice facility? It is far more than that. It is support staff, recruiting budgets, travel budgets, etc. the RAC is subpar, but that is the least of it. There isn't one aspect of the program you can point to and say is on par or better than those we compete against.
Let me clarify. The RAC is fine. It is a great setup for our basketball team. The only the I would want to change is to move the student section so that it surrounds the entire court and creates a more intimidating atmosphere. Many B1G teams do this (Michigan, MSU, Illinois, etc.). But we'd actually have to see more students that are engaged in the game, and besides the Riot Squad, most of them are disinterested. Also that would mean relocating, high paying season ticket holders, and I'm sure they would not be happy about that.
What I am talking about is a practice facility. The best players want to be treated like they're the big men on campus, and that's what stands out to them, that there's a place that was built for them, and only them. For years we have neglected the fact that we need one. The better the facility, the better the talent we attract. Without one, we suffer. We need to share the arena practice time with other teams (women's bball, cheerleading, etc.) so recruits don't feel like they'll mean anything to the school, there just another player. The actual arena doesn't matter as much. Teams like Villanova, Marquette, and Memphis play most or all of their games in a pro arena off campus, but that doesn't turn players away because of how great their practice facility is. Even NJIT, who just started playing at the D1 level within the past decade has invested in a practice facility. We need to invest in one ASAP or we'll fall even further behind.
I'm sure many of you will think, why isn't the women's team hurting from this? It's because C Viv sells herself. Coach K could sell himself if he came here, but he's not. So without a big name coach, we need a practice facility to compete for the best players possible. Without one, we'll continue to be bottom feeders.
This post was edited on 2/23 1:10 AM by JerseyShoreKnight
What I am talking about is a practice facility. The best players want to be treated like they're the big men on campus, and that's what stands out to them, that there's a place that was built for them, and only them. For years we have neglected the fact that we need one. The better the facility, the better the talent we attract. Without one, we suffer. We need to share the arena practice time with other teams (women's bball, cheerleading, etc.) so recruits don't feel like they'll mean anything to the school, there just another player. The actual arena doesn't matter as much. Teams like Villanova, Marquette, and Memphis play most or all of their games in a pro arena off campus, but that doesn't turn players away because of how great their practice facility is. Even NJIT, who just started playing at the D1 level within the past decade has invested in a practice facility. We need to invest in one ASAP or we'll fall even further behind.
I'm sure many of you will think, why isn't the women's team hurting from this? It's because C Viv sells herself. Coach K could sell himself if he came here, but he's not. So without a big name coach, we need a practice facility to compete for the best players possible. Without one, we'll continue to be bottom feeders.
This post was edited on 2/23 1:10 AM by JerseyShoreKnight
We shouldn't have to be bottom feeders, practice facility or not. We don't need top level recruits to field a competitive team - and by competitive, I mean one that can reach the middle of the pack in the big 10. We need a coach who can get "adequate" players for his system, and then coach them up. Then build from there over a period of years.
Is EJ that guy...that is the big question. He seems to have missed the opportunity for that "new coach recruiting bump" that I was hoping for. So, can he gradually build up the program over the next several years with the kind of players he is recruiting? Most of Rice's players will be gone after this season so there should be no more excuses. The team next year will be young and inexperienced and it will almost certainly be another long season. But we need to see evidence that the team is well coached and the players have bought into the system, the coaching staff and players are engaged and on the same page, and progress is being made. If we don't see that, it will be obvious that EJ isn't the guy, since the players will be mostly his recruits.
Overall I don't like what I'm seeing right now, but realistically...gotta figure he gets at least one more year. So I'm hoping to see progress next year, even if it doesn't show up in the win column.
Is EJ that guy...that is the big question. He seems to have missed the opportunity for that "new coach recruiting bump" that I was hoping for. So, can he gradually build up the program over the next several years with the kind of players he is recruiting? Most of Rice's players will be gone after this season so there should be no more excuses. The team next year will be young and inexperienced and it will almost certainly be another long season. But we need to see evidence that the team is well coached and the players have bought into the system, the coaching staff and players are engaged and on the same page, and progress is being made. If we don't see that, it will be obvious that EJ isn't the guy, since the players will be mostly his recruits.
Overall I don't like what I'm seeing right now, but realistically...gotta figure he gets at least one more year. So I'm hoping to see progress next year, even if it doesn't show up in the win column.
Outside perspective. You guys need a separate practice facility for basketball. IU just got one in 2009. We were able to live on tradition for awhile but the separate practice facility has helped a ton. Look at Nebraska, new arena, you guys need new facilities all around.
your suggestion about moving the students to the sideline seats ( sec 103, 104, 113, 114,etc) has been suggested before and once again, no offense, is probably one of the worst things the university could do....as you yourself noted you would be moving some of the highest donors, most loyal for decade fans, to worse seats.....do you really think that would be a good idea?
for how many of those long time fans would that be the last straw in finally giving up?
then, you put what might be one of the least loyal, the students, in those seats....the same students who could not fill up the large section under the one basket, in those seats....
.the same students that when they graduate will mostly not be coming back for games.....
so by doing what you suggest, last night we would have had a sprinkling of students on the two sidelines with many unused seats in the 100,s for the Indiana game....we could not have filled the sideline seats with students.
your idea may have worked when the RAC was built and seating was being established....long time donors would have been placed in worse seats in preference to the students and that would have been the norm.
but now it is too late....me, I have pretty decent seats, not on the floor, but if I was pushed to a
worse seat at this point I would not be a happy camper....and a lot of unhappy campers no
longer show up.
No, but if we were in Camden the Norcross machine would have shook out enough State dough to build something nice to go along his the other Trenton subsidized "Eds & Meds".
Meanwhile Coach Hurley, and the Hudson County politicos, can find millions to refurbish the Jersey City Armory.
Hudson Reporter from 2006
Historic sports palace restored Jersey City Armory enjoys grand re-opening after $4 million facelift
Sad to say we have no one willing to go to bat for the basketball program in a similar way here. Imagine what we could do with that kind of money.
every Power 5 school...a lot of mid majors have their own fancy separate practice facilities just for basketball exclusively. The RAC is shared by a few sports, its embarrassing. You have to keep up with what your peers are doing because when those recruits look at your facilities and then look at another schools facilities, it matters in the decision making process because it appears as if Rutgers is not investing in basketball...which is true actually. There is so much evidence of the lack of investment in basketball infrastructure here
I have pretty much the same question.....over the years complaints have been mostly that the RAC is outdated....we did a little cosmetic surgery on it, but not enough to make it equal to other big 10 schools
now most of the complaints are that we do not have a practice facility...
Is that because most feel the RAC is now adequate and we have moved on to the next issue?....I have thought that the RAC still does not measure up to our competition even after the couple of upgrades....but it seems that most here have moved on
The RAC is still not up to par with other facilities...only Northwestern as a comparison. Still Julie made some minor improvements to spiff it up and the game day experience. Its serviceable for now but lets not kid ourselves.
Locker rooms, meeting rooms, office space is deplorable in the RAC compared to Big 10 schools...deplorable. That's how much neglect we have. Kids notice the lack of anything, the lack of pizzazz, the place being run down. The practice facilitiy is just an example of neglect and lack of investment. The perception among high school recruits, coaches, AAU guys and hangers on is that RU does not invest. Practice facilities are just an example of it. Until perception changes forget about recruits coming here.
Locker rooms, meeting rooms, office space is deplorable in the RAC compared to Big 10 schools...deplorable. That's how much neglect we have. Kids notice the lack of anything, the lack of pizzazz, the place being run down. The practice facilitiy is just an example of neglect and lack of investment. The perception among high school recruits, coaches, AAU guys and hangers on is that RU does not invest. Practice facilities are just an example of it. Until perception changes forget about recruits coming here.
Again, though - so what. If the practice facility keeps you from getting the "cream of the crop", then you recruit decent players who want to be here, and you coach them up. You probably don't win the conference, but you start establishing a tradition of hard work and slowly develop the program. Then when the facilities are upgraded you take advantage.
The question is whether this coaching staff can identify the right type of player and then develop them. So far, I'd say that's far from certain. We'll know a lot more this time next year.
The question is whether this coaching staff can identify the right type of player and then develop them. So far, I'd say that's far from certain. We'll know a lot more this time next year.
well I think that's what the last 3 coaches have tried to do with no avail. Problem is wrong players, wrong coaches, no infrastructure always equals failure
that's why I don't give a pass to Eddie totally for not having all his own players on the team...you have to win with what you have, you only get a small window to have recruiting bumps, if you continue to lose you are not getting any kind of players. Unfortunately another 10 win season this year is going to become fatal to this coaching regimes chances of bringing any recruit that would move the needle on this program
that's why I don't give a pass to Eddie totally for not having all his own players on the team...you have to win with what you have, you only get a small window to have recruiting bumps, if you continue to lose you are not getting any kind of players. Unfortunately another 10 win season this year is going to become fatal to this coaching regimes chances of bringing any recruit that would move the needle on this program
Virtually ever major program and many mid-majors have dedicated basketball practice facilities (Nebraska built a $19M facility). It is a must, not a wish list item. Having said that, with or without such facility, there is absolutely no excuse for the horror that this program currently is. It's not just that we lose, but we lose looking like an NAIA team night after night no matter who we play - what happened at lowly PSU is just one example of this. It is clear that EJ - one of the great guys around - isn't going to get it done.
As for the practice facility - that ain't happening until there is a lot of money to go around and since we have a deficit of big donors out there and the state couldn't care less, we are (probably many) years away from breaking ground for such building, let alone being many years away from having a completed facility. Ugh.
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As for the practice facility - that ain't happening until there is a lot of money to go around and since we have a deficit of big donors out there and the state couldn't care less, we are (probably many) years away from breaking ground for such building, let alone being many years away from having a completed facility. Ugh.
This post was edited on 2/23 10:40 AM by CuredbywinningRU
Some do - the good ones dont because they have built in fan bases who wont allow it. But thats more a matter or winners being popular than anything inherent about politicians in different states. Hell, in a place like Alabama, the politicians colluded with the university to sink a school like UAB. Again - winners are popular.
As for RU - we have two choices.
Try to raise $30 million for a new practice facility while we are losing, then get a new coach (without much money to pya him, because we spent it all on a practice facility)
OR
Hire a new coach, promise him the facility, and use his success to fund raise off of.
Choice 2 requires us to actually pay up for a good coach though to work (has to be someone who could sell themselves, not the program). Overpay in all likelihood. But its cheaper and more likely to succeed than the Choice 1, which still requires a new coach (Eddie will be long done as a credible college coach by the time recruits can tour our new facility).
I really don't think a top flight recruit is saying "man, id go to Rutgers if only they had a practice facility". The updating the RAC and building a practice facility is the same nonsense that politicians use saying we need to "throw money" at all the problems. it's the coach. plain and simple. could eddie be the answer? Maybe. But right now he isnt
The fact we have so many fans questioning investment in facilities is disheartening.
In more than one thread I have supplied links to what our competitors are building. Google it, they are easy to find because every school is trumpeting their new palaces. Makes what we have seem laughable.
The days of a young Rick Ritino taking Providence to the Final Four while practicing in a high school gym are over. It's not going happen.
We need to prove the program is relevant. We have invested real money in a coaches' salary for the first time in program history. Coach needs to deliver. But to expect things to suddenly change while doing everything else the same is foolish.
We have so much to overcome in terms of bad reputation that going through another coach in two seasons will certainly mean a long time before we can hire anybody of note.
One of the few ways we can demonstrate to talented young guys that we have a commitment is some shovels in the ground.
In more than one thread I have supplied links to what our competitors are building. Google it, they are easy to find because every school is trumpeting their new palaces. Makes what we have seem laughable.
The days of a young Rick Ritino taking Providence to the Final Four while practicing in a high school gym are over. It's not going happen.
We need to prove the program is relevant. We have invested real money in a coaches' salary for the first time in program history. Coach needs to deliver. But to expect things to suddenly change while doing everything else the same is foolish.
We have so much to overcome in terms of bad reputation that going through another coach in two seasons will certainly mean a long time before we can hire anybody of note.
One of the few ways we can demonstrate to talented young guys that we have a commitment is some shovels in the ground.
1 - You can only access your "practice" floor when it is not being used by some other program or event.
2 - Almost nobody else is doing what we do.
3 - Our associated facilities, offices, meeting rooms, training and weight rooms are small and old.
Considering the Hurley love-fest here, what impetus is there for Danny to leave URI to coach us, when his current facilities are better, the school found creative ways to extend his contract (http://www.turnto10.com/story/22079899/uri-coach-gets-added-perks-in-contract-extension) in 2013, and I'm guessing the $600k-$800k he can make per year probably goes a lot further on the quality of living scale in RI? And let's not hear "because we're in the Big 10."
Jordan makes, what $1.25m per year on average, to have outdated facilities, wishy-washy administrative and fan support and to have his pay critiqued annually by state media? Who wants that?
Rhody's Ryan Center
Jordan makes, what $1.25m per year on average, to have outdated facilities, wishy-washy administrative and fan support and to have his pay critiqued annually by state media? Who wants that?
Rhody's Ryan Center
this....too may posters seem oblivious to the deep issue and facilities is a huge one here and keeping up with the joneses...we have not even kept up with the homeless