What can we expect against UPenn?

[LeapinLou]

Pike has been doing a lot of experimentation but now its time to settle in on something. I hope he doesn't see Penn and Del State as opportunities to continue to tinker. He has to know what he has at this point and play the guys that give us the best chance to win these game.

This is how I would go for Penn

Point - JMike
Shooting guard - Zrno
Forward - Dortch (need the hustle/rebounding/defense more than the scoring from Buchanan and Badalau)
Forward - Grant
Center - Manny

Minutes off the bench:
- Francis
- Nwuli
- Lino
- Buchanan
- Badalau

Stay on the bench for this one
- Powers
- Ware
- Fall
- Jones and the rest

 

[bac2therac]

Rutgers has been held to 65 points or less in 6 of its last 7 games and has lost 6 of its last 7 games

 

[whofrewdatmataRU13]

Surprised where you have Powers here. From what I have seen, he looks like one of the only guys who isn't afraid and can create his own shot, which is a must since we don't run any offense. Obviously he has made some freshman mistakes but I would like to see him at least 6th man/getting significant minutes.

 

[RUfan1977]

Surprised where you have Powers here. From what I have seen, he looks like one of the only guys who isn't afraid and can create his own shot, which is a must since we don't run any offense. Obviously he has made some freshman mistakes but I would like to see him at least 6th man/getting significant minutes.

Powers may become a good player. He is certainly not afraid to take shots, but he is only 8 of 39 or 21%.

 

[needmorecowbell]

Pike has been doing a lot of experimentation but now its time to settle in on something. I hope he doesn't see Penn and Del State as opportunities to continue to tinker. He has to know what he has at this point and play the guys that give us the best chance to win these game.

This is how I would go for Penn

Point - JMike
Shooting guard - Zrno
Forward - Dortch (need the hustle/rebounding/defense more than the scoring from Buchanan and Badalau)
Forward - Grant
Center - Manny

Minutes off the bench:
- Francis
- Nwuli
- Lino
- Buchanan
- Badalau

Stay on the bench for this one
- Powers
- Ware
- Fall
- Jones and the rest

I like that line up for the Big Ten games. They will need size and guys who are willing to defend. I would also bench Badalau at this point unless Pike thinks he will be a major contributor next year. He has some promise but has been struggling.

 

[goru7]

Pike has been doing a lot of experimentation but now its time to settle in on something. I hope he doesn't see Penn and Del State as opportunities to continue to tinker. He has to know what he has at this point and play the guys that give us the best chance to win these game.

This is how I would go for Penn

Point - JMike
Shooting guard - Zrno
Forward - Dortch (need the hustle/rebounding/defense more than the scoring from Buchanan and Badalau)
Forward - Grant
Center - Manny

Minutes off the bench:
- Francis
- Nwuli
- Lino
- Buchanan
- Badalau

Stay on the bench for this one
- Powers
- Ware
- Fall
- Jones and the rest

Lou , just a little disagreement. Dorsch does not give you enough offensively or as a threat as Buchanan so I would consider him. Also might consider Nwuili as a defensive wing stopper and the more he plays the more his offense will show .

Yes Fall and Ware no minutes but Powers should be first sub for Zrno as both are our supposed 3 point threats. Powers seems to be getting more comfortable and playing better defense. Mark subs for Jmike and you ride whichever one is distributing the ball and scoring somewhat. Badalau only for limited minutes to get a breather . Francis for a breather with limited minutes and Dorsch and Manny . But Pike doesn’t only have to be firm in his rotations with no more participation trophy subs, but should give the rotations extensive minutes together and not in and out.

 

[LeapinLou]

@goru7 I know Francis was a nightmare to start the SHU game, but the dude has had several games where he's scored a ton of points. And he was one of our more expensive NIL guys. He has to play. Otherwise, I'm good with your thoughts.

 

[goru7]

@goru7 I know Francis was a nightmare to start the SHU game, but the dude has had several games where he's scored a ton of points. And he was one of our more expensive NIL guys. He has to play. Otherwise, I'm good with your thoughts.

Lou , what you saw was him getting exposed which is what has happened in the Purdue and Michigan games and will happen in BIg 10 play. I don’t care he is Knight’s nephew or how much he has received for NIlL, his minutes come 4th if at all, to mark , Powers and Davis. He only scored against lesser teams because he was a ball hound , chucked shots , and rarely fed Dylan or Manny. He might hit an occasional 3 if left all alone on a kick out but otherwise his height , defense are bad and his offensive game is not far behind

 

[RUChet]

Feel the opposite - I want to go with youth

Mark
Powers
Nwuli
Grant
Dortch

off the bench

Davis
Zrno
Buchanon
Ware

play for the future - season lost anyway

 

[BigEastPhil]

I expect a win.

I expect a win of 8 points or greater !

I expect to see a more confident team on the court that is fully rested and aggressive to play

I’m expecting solid games from Francis and Powers and Grant - who will all score double digits.

 

[JudgeSmails56]

I expect bad shooting.. bad rebounding... bad players.... missed layups.. missed free throws.... a morgue like environment.

 

[jOmega]

Pike has been doing a lot of experimentation but now its time to settle in on something. I hope he doesn't see Penn and Del State as opportunities to continue to tinker. He has to know what he has at this point and play the guys that give us the best chance to win these game.

This is how I would go for Penn

Point - JMike
Shooting guard - Zrno
Forward - Dortch (need the hustle/rebounding/defense more than the scoring from Buchanan and Badalau)
Forward - Grant
Center - Manny

Minutes off the bench:
- Francis
- Nwuli
- Lino
- Buchanan
- Badalau

Stay on the bench for this one
- Powers
- Ware
- Fall
- Jones and the rest

I expect a well coached Penn team.

 

[RutgersClassof2004]

It's hard to think Fran won't exploit every Rutgers weakness, of which there are too many to count

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

Powers may become a good player. He is certainly not afraid to take shots, but he is only 8 of 39 or 21%.

He will start to make them. The key is he is getting them.

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

Feel the opposite - I want to go with youth

Mark
Powers
Nwuli
Grant
Dortch

off the bench

Davis
Zrno
Buchanon
Ware

play for the future - season lost anyway

Only two guys who can shoot. Maybe we will score 40.

 

[PiscatawayMike]

Ethan Roberts will not play. If RU can't beat Penn without its top player...

https://share.google/2SsyDV7r1Xay7LrIm

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Feel the opposite - I want to go with youth

Mark
Powers
Nwuli
Grant
Dortch

off the bench

Davis
Zrno
Buchanon
Ware

play for the future - season lost anyway

Theres no “playing for the future” with NIL - first of all.

Second, it would not be good for Rutgers program to make national news losing by 25+ on our home floor to Penn (without their lead scorer) which is exactly what the outcome would’ve been by rolling with your suggested line up.

All complaints about Francis should stop for the time being because whatever we paid to bring him here (for all we know, Fall got paid more), that money “bought” us a third of our wins so far. Penn and American… We don’t win either of those games without him. Just saying.

 

[satnom]

Lou , what you saw was him getting exposed which is what has happened in the Purdue and Michigan games and will happen in BIg 10 play. I don’t care he is Knight’s nephew or how much he has received for NIlL, his minutes come 4th if at all, to mark , Powers and Davis. He only scored against lesser teams because he was a ball hound , chucked shots , and rarely fed Dylan or Manny. He might hit an occasional 3 if left all alone on a kick out but otherwise his height , defense are bad and his offensive game is not far behind

You’re a solid poster but if Pike listens to you on Francis, RU has an ugly double digit loss to Ivy League school with an extended losing streak Instead of an ugly win and phenomenal performance by Francis off the bench and game winning shot. That’s called stones. You either have or you don’t.

Kudos to the kid after playing poorly against top 5 teams and a fringe top 25 team.

GO RU

 

[RUChet]

Theres no “playing for the future” with NIL - first of all.

Second, it would not be good for Rutgers program to make national news losing by 25+ on our home floor to Penn (without their lead scorer) which is exactly what the outcome would’ve been by rolling with your suggested line up.

All complaints about Francis should stop for the time being because whatever we paid to bring him here (for all we know, Fall got paid more), that money “bought” us a third of our wins so far. Penn and American… We don’t win either of those games without him. Just saying.

Yes, he can hoops against mid majors as he’s a good mid major player. He’s not going to be able to do that against high major defense.

the season is lost anyway so who cares?

18 conf games left.

I see 1 road win out of 9
I see 3 home wins out of 9

so that’s 11-20 and then a loss in tourney so 11-21 and we are right back to where we were when Pike took over

 

[goru7]

You’re a solid poster but if Pike listens to you on Francis, RU has an ugly double digit loss to Ivy League school with an extended losing streak Instead of an ugly win and phenomenal performance by Francis off the bench and game winning shot. That’s called stones. You either have or you don’t.

Kudos to the kid after playing poorly against top 5 teams and a fringe top 25 team.

GO RU

I will give the kid kudos for the guts and balls for hitting the game winner but I hate to say it but I was disgusted with his play must of the day . He had zero assists. My major complaint with him is he is a ball hog , takes a ton of shots , a ton of bad shots , never passes to Dylan or Manny and his defense sucks which will be exposed in the Big 10. He makes no one on the team better. Against less athletic teams like Penn and our others victories except UNLV , he can get away with some of his limitations because of the level of competition. He actually shot well yesterday 9-14 and 15-19 from the foul line as that silly guard for Penn fouled him unnecessarily for all 5 of his fouls. His best trait is his foul shooting which is superb. Normally his shooting % is crap like 2-10 . When he got the ball he might have been playing by himself as he never gave anyone else the ball. Doesn’t know how to run a pick and roll. I could go on and you will see it as the conference games resume.
For one day the shooter kept on shooting and it worked out. Congrats to him. But a really terrible team performance on offense and rebounding. We had zero business winning that game and he had everything to do with our getting the win but remember we were losing to Penn for the entire game until less than 1 second left .

 

[Mholinko]

Theres no “playing for the future” with NIL - first of all.

Second, it would not be good for Rutgers program to make national news losing by 25+ on our home floor to Penn (without their lead scorer) which is exactly what the outcome would’ve been by rolling with your suggested line up.

All complaints about Francis should stop for the time being because whatever we paid to bring him here (for all we know, Fall got paid more), that money “bought” us a third of our wins so far. Penn and American… We don’t win either of those games without him. Just saying.

For the record we’re a big ten program defending a portal transfer who ensured that we won 2 quad 4 games…

 

[goru7]

You’re a solid poster but if Pike listens to you on Francis, RU has an ugly double digit loss to Ivy League school with an extended losing streak Instead of an ugly win and phenomenal performance by Francis off the bench and game winning shot. That’s called stones. You either have or you don’t.

Kudos to the kid after playing poorly against top 5 teams and a fringe top 25 team.

GO RU

Already answered your Francis point . But you think Pike is doing anything correctly other than proper cheerleading from the sidelines is hilarious. We are in this mess , lack of talent , his doing , and then his rotations and who and why anyone plays has made them worse. You cannot be a coach that says we will correct rebounding and it gets worse everyday. No one especially the guards are getting the memo and your frontline rebounding today is pathetic. Not one thing to put the offense in a favorable matchup. Not defending the three and not adjusting quick enough in game when he is being torched. Frankly , if you asked me someone has hijacked Pike ‘s brain because it is not functioning properly.

 

[RUDivision]

Theres no “playing for the future” with NIL - first of all.

Second, it would not be good for Rutgers program to make national news losing by 25+ on our home floor to Penn (without their lead scorer) which is exactly what the outcome would’ve been by rolling with your suggested line up.

All complaints about Francis should stop for the time being because whatever we paid to bring him here (for all we know, Fall got paid more), that money “bought” us a third of our wins so far. Penn and American… We don’t win either of those games without him. Just saying.

I appreciate your attempt to be

Theres no “playing for the future” with NIL - first of all.

Second, it would not be good for Rutgers program to make national news losing by 25+ on our home floor to Penn (without their lead scorer) which is exactly what the outcome would’ve been by rolling with your suggested line up.

All complaints about Francis should stop for the time being because whatever we paid to bring him here (for all we know, Fall got paid more), that money “bought” us a third of our wins so far. Penn and American… We don’t win either of those games without him. Just saying.

i appreciate your attempt to be measured and fair when posting on the team. You tend to lean pro pike and that’s fair. We can agree to disagree.

You rarely rant for the sake of ranting and tend to offer reasoning behind your thoughts.

Simple question: is Francis a Big Ten level player?

complaints warranted.

Happy for the young man!

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

For the record we’re a big ten program defending a portal transfer who ensured that we won 2 quad 4 games…

They all clearly stink. As has been discussed previously - since we don’t know anyone’s salaries we have no way of assessing what else we could’ve afforded in the same price range.

That said - losing by 25-30 at home to Penn would’ve been a national embarrassment of epic scale - which was 99% likely the outcome if Francis did not play in that game.
And no, the fact that we are going nowhere this year doesn’t make that not matter. Remember in football when we just wanted to “suck normal”? It’s very depressing that this is where the program is at, but it would that much harder to find a coach willing to take the chance coming here if we pummel down to laughing stock status. Avoiding that is meaningful for the program in the remainder of the season.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I appreciate your attempt to be

i appreciate your attempt to be measured and fair when posting on the team. You tend to lean pro pike and that’s fair. We can agree to disagree.

You rarely rant for the sake of ranting and tend to offer reasoning behind your thoughts.

Simple question: is Francis a Big Ten level player?

complaints warranted.

Happy for the young man!

On Francis… Nope (not a “BIG level” pick up). But then, I’m not sure we have any of those on our roster. None of our guys would start pretty much anywhere else at this level. Only the Francis pick up took major off-season heat though on the boards (I was a ring leader of it actually).

Again, without salary transparency we don’t really know what alternatives could’ve been in our budget range to bring in starting from ground zero, but I’d be willing to bet my mortgage Francis cost a heck of a lot less than any proven scoring guard at the high major (or even next tier) levels. Last season we didn’t need high usage scorers - Acuff and Jordan pick ups made no sense. This year, reflecting back, I’m now willing to admit (I do that when I’m wrong) it was at least a reasonable strategy to use a modest amount of money to add a kid like that as an insurance policy to ensure that “sucking normal” was the floor. Yes - it’s very depressing to put it this way but it’s untrue that it doesn’t matter. As it turns out, we would have a maximum of 4 wins right now without Tariq and our scoring average on the season could well be in the 50s range. Instead, of being a historic national laughing stock story we’ll at least just be a quiet score at the bottom of the ESPN result roll until the season ends and hopefully we reset with a splash hire and a fresh start next year (barring a highly unlikely season turnaround). I’ll stick with my guns - Pike needed to be gone if he doesn’t find 12+ wins.

 

[LeapinLou]

Lou , what you saw was him getting exposed which is what has happened in the Purdue and Michigan games and will happen in BIg 10 play. I don’t care he is Knight’s nephew or how much he has received for NIlL, his minutes come 4th if at all, to mark , Powers and Davis. He only scored against lesser teams because he was a ball hound , chucked shots , and rarely fed Dylan or Manny. He might hit an occasional 3 if left all alone on a kick out but otherwise his height , defense are bad and his offensive game is not far behind

Your comments have not aged well

I understand your complaints that he's a poor defender and doesn't play nearly as well against high caliber competition, but he's the best scorer we've got. I'm on the same page as @PSAL_Hoops. We can't worry about getting guys experience for next year. We have to play whoever gives us our best chance to win. Maybe not consistently, but on a given night, Francis can get hot and allow us to steal a few Big 10 wins.

 

[bac2therac]

Are people getting fooled again because Francis is a volume scorer vs low level schools much like he did last year yet obviously is muted against schools with pulses. What works against Penn and Delaware St doesnt fly in the Big 10

 

[Mholinko]

Are people getting fooled again because Francis is a volume scorer vs low level schools much like he did last year yet obviously is muted against schools with pulses. What works against Penn and Delaware St doesnt fly in the Big 10

Well we have people on here who thinks he reminds them of how Kyrie Irving can score so I think you know the answer to that

his metrics are horrible against high major competition and he’s an unwilling passer against ALL competition and a mediocre to terrible defender

he’s looking shiny because like at NJIT he’s the best or second best scorer on a horrible team

 

[satnom]

Lou , what you saw was him getting exposed which is what has happened in the Purdue and Michigan games and will happen in BIg 10 play. I don’t care he is Knight’s nephew or how much he has received for NIlL, his minutes come 4th if at all, to mark , Powers and Davis. He only scored against lesser teams because he was a ball hound , chucked shots , and rarely fed Dylan or Manny. He might hit an occasional 3 if left all alone on a kick out but otherwise his height , defense are bad and his offensive game is not far behind

You’re so off on the “ball hound” comment on Francis. He takes his shots within the flow of the offense. He’s not a true PG. He’s an undersized two guard at this level. You make him sound like he’s Lathan Somerville or not a team player. He performed like crap against Seton Hall and played poorly against Purdue and Mich which are top 5 teams. Took his demotion to the bench like a trooper against Penn then came off the to score 34 points and wanted to take the game winning shot against a bottom tier Ivy Leauge team at home and buried it. Kudos to the young man because without him RU reaches pathetic level.

Again, the kid is not a true point guard, limited In height and lacks some confidence against high level teams but if you ask most RU fans before the season did they envision Francis being one of the top scorers on the team, they would have said “No way” but he is.

The kid is a bucket getter and every team needs one when the offense goes in the gutter.

Glad you don’t have a direct line to Pike.

GO RU

 

[LeapinLou]

Are people getting fooled again because Francis is a volume scorer vs low level schools much like he did last year yet obviously is muted against schools with pulses. What works against Penn and Delaware St doesnt fly in the Big 10S

OK so what's the alternative? Where are the points coming from against the top 75% of the Big 10, all of whom will clamp down on Dylan Grant?

 

[LeapinLou]

Starters
Point - JMike -STARTED - 29 minutes
Shooting guard - Zrno - STARTED - 25 minutes
Forward - Dortch - DIDN'T START but played 25 minutes
Forward - Grant - STARTED - 22 minutes
Center - Manny - STARTED - 7 minutes

Minutes off the bench:
- Francis - PLAYED - 28 minutes
- Nwuli - PLAYED - 7 minutes
- Lino - PLAYED - 17 minutes
- Buchanan - PLAYED - 26 minutes
- Badalau - STARTED but only played 11 minutes

Stay on the bench for this one
- Powers - 0 MINUTES
- Ware - 0 MINUTES
- Fall - 0 MINUTES
- Jones and the rest - 0 MINUTES

Not to toot my own horn, but you gotta admit, Pike pretty much did exactly what I asked.

 

[goru7]

Your comments have not aged well

I understand your complaints that he's a poor defender and doesn't play nearly as well against high caliber competition, but he's the best scorer we've got. I'm on the same page as @PSAL_Hoops. We can't worry about getting guys experience for next year. We have to play whoever gives us our best chance to win. Maybe not consistently, but on a given night, Francis can get hot and allow us to steal a few Big 10 wins.

Lou, let him do it against one quality team and then I will give him some slack. What did he do against Notre Dame , Tennessee , Purdue , Michigan and Seton hall.
In pm

Your comments have not aged well

I understand your complaints that he's a poor defender and doesn't play nearly as well against high caliber competition, but he's the best scorer we've got. I'm on the same page as @PSAL_Hoops. We can't worry about getting guys experience for next year. We have to play whoever gives us our best chance to win. Maybe not consistently, but on a given night, Francis can get hot and allow us to steal a few Big 10 wins.

Lou, let him do it against one quality team. He has played Tennessee , Notre Dame , Purdue , Michigan and Seton Hall. He scored 9,10, 5,9 and 6 in those games. His total assists in those games were 2, 2, 0, 3 , 1. His turnovers were 1,1, 1,0, and 4 . 8 assists /7 turnovers . His shooting was 3-6,2-7, 2-5, 4-6 and 2-7. So my 5 game sample size although small is clear that he doesn’t help us win. How many times have you seen him drive and pass the ball to Dylan or Manny or for a kick out. ? I am still waiting for the first time.
You can rejoice that against Penn and Rider he played or shot better against inferior competition and try to validate his playing time. I will not. He can come off the bench when Pike takes out Dylan and Zrno and Manny and try to score as much as he is capable because no one will get the ball .

I am also not saying JMike is any better as we likely have the worst guards in the conference maybe the country . But first Big 10 game after the break , Ohio State. They have Thornton and Mobley. Let’s see how he does against them. They are each capable of 20 points. Can he even score 10 and hold them under 20 ? Can he pass the ball when he is driving and get it to Zrno for a kick out 3? Or the Dylan ? Or run an effective pick and roll with Manny ? Or Bryce ?
Proof is in the pudding. We will see the minute the competition steps up.

 

[satnom]

Lou, let him do it against one quality team and then I will give him some slack. What did he do against Notre Dame , Tennessee , Purdue , Michigan and Seton hall.
In pm

Lou, let him do it against one quality team. He has played Tennessee , Notre Dame , Purdue , Michigan and Seton Hall. He scored 9,10, 5,9 and 6 in those games. His total assists in those games were 2, 2, 0, 3 , 1. His turnovers were 1,1, 1,0, and 4 . 8 assists /7 turnovers . His shooting was 3-6,2-7, 2-5, 4-6 and 2-7. So my 5 game sample size although small is clear that he doesn’t help us win. How many times have you seen him drive and pass the ball to Dylan or Manny or for a kick out. ? I am still waiting for the first time.
You can rejoice that against Penn and Rider he played or shot better against inferior competition and try to validate his playing time. I will not. He can come off the bench when Pike takes out Dylan and Zrno and Manny and try to score as much as he is capable because no one will get the ball .

I am also not saying JMike is any better as we likely have the worst guards in the conference maybe the country . But first Big 10 game after the break , Ohio State. They have Thornton and Mobley. Let’s see how he does against them. They are each capable of 20 points. Can he even score 10 and hold them under 20 ? Can he pass the ball when he is driving and get it to Zrno for a kick out 3? Or the Dylan ? Or run an effective pick and roll with Manny ? Or Bryce ?
Proof is in the pudding. We will see the minute the competition steps up.

You keep doubling down on Francis and can’t just concede you were wrong on how Pike should have [barely] played him against Penn even though the kid scored 34 pts on 9-14 from field, 64%; 16-19 from FT line, 79%; and hit one three for game winning shot.

In games against Tenn, ND, UNLV, Pur, Mich and SH the most shots he took were 7. He was 2-7 against ND and SH and 4-6 against Mich and 3-6 against Tenn. His assist rates are low. He‘s not a pg. He‘s an undersized scoring 2 guard. Just as a reminder, in order to get credit for an assist, you have to pass to a teammate who can make a shot. RU has a shortage of those.

Heck, if anything, kid has to shoot more for RU to get more points. Not to mention he’s 42-50 on FTs (84%) for the season and averaging 13.2 pts per game with a 8.3pts per against the “quality” teams you lIke.

GO RU

 

[goru7]

Your comments have not aged well

I understand your complaints that he's a poor defender and doesn't play nearly as well against high caliber competition, but he's the best scorer we've got. I'm on the same page as @PSAL_Hoops. We can't worry about getting guys experience for next year. We have to play whoever gives us our best chance to win. Maybe not consistently, but on a given night, Francis can get hot and allow us to steal a few Big 10

You’re so off on the “ball hound” comment on Francis. He takes his shots within the flow of the offense. He’s not a true PG. He’s an undersized two guard at this level. You make him sound like he’s Lathan Somerville or not a team player. He performed like crap against Seton Hall and played poorly against Purdue and Mich which are top 5 teams. Took his demotion to the bench like a trooper against Penn then came off the to score 34 points and wanted to take the game winning shot against a bottom tier Ivy Leauge team at home and buried it. Kudos to the young man because without him RU reaches pathetic level.

Again, the kid is not a true point guard, limited In height and lacks some confidence against high level teams but if you ask most RU fans before the season did they envision Francis being one of the top scorers on the team, they would have said “No way” but he is.

The kid is a bucket getter and every team needs one when the offense goes in the gutter.

Glad you don’t have a direct line to Pike.

GO RU

You keep doubling down on Francis and can’t just concede you were wrong on how Pike should have [barely] played him against Penn even though the kid scored 34 pts on 9-14 from field, 64%; 16-19 from FT line, 79%; and hit one three for game winning shot.

In games against Tenn, ND, UNLV, Pur, Mich and SH the most shots he took were 7. He was 2-7 against ND and SH and 4-6 against Mich and 3-6 against Tenn. His assist rates are low. He‘s not a pg. He‘s an undersized scoring 2 guard. Just as a reminder, in order to get credit for an assist, you have to pass to a teammate who can make a shot. RU has a shortage of those.

Heck, if anything, kid has to shoot more for RU to get more points. Not to mention he’s 42-50 on FTs (84%) for the season and averaging 13.2 pts per game with a 8.3pts per against the “quality” teams you lIke.

GO RU

You keep putting your head in the sand. Let him do it against one quality opponent. Ohio state and Oregon at home coming up January 2 and 5.

They more he shoots the more inefficient he will be . Plus half will be bad shots. Congrats to the kid for his Penn game . He deserved the kudos .

Against the 5 quality opponents , he shot 2 foul shots , 5 foul shots , 0 foul shots , 1 foul shot and 1 foul shot. If you think he will go 15-19 against a quality opponent , then you are watching someone else.

 

[satnom]

You keep putting your head in the sand. Let him do it against one quality opponent. Ohio state and Oregon at home coming up January 2 and 5.

They more he shoots the more inefficient he will be . Plus half will be bad shots. Congrats to the kid for his Penn game . He deserved the kudos .

Against the 5 quality opponents , he shot 2 foul shots , 5 foul shots , 0 foul shots , 1 foul shot and 1 foul shot. If you think he will go 15-19 against a quality opponent , then you are watching someone else.

I’m just hoping he shoots double the shots he took against Mich and Tenn with the same range of % makes so you can then keep focus on his assist rate, defense and efficiency.

GO RU

 

[goru7]

I’m just hoping he shoots double the shots he took against Mich and Tenn with the same range of % makes so you can then keep focus on his assist rate and defense.

GO RU

Watch his efficiency go downhill and his turnovers explode

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Are people getting fooled again because Francis is a volume scorer vs low level schools much like he did last year yet obviously is muted against schools with pulses. What works against Penn and Delaware St doesnt fly in the Big 10

Look - I’m not fooled. It’s become crystal clear our coaching is poor along with our overall talent level including Francis.

But putting this aside - the two most complained about players on our roster preseason were Francis and Ogbole by a wide margin. Just because it’s true that neither of them are high major talents, does not make it untrue that without the two of them, we would almost certainly be 2-10 at best right now (it’s not a given we would’ve beaten Maine without them…) We’re instead 6-6 which, as bad as it is, is nothing like the state the program would be in if we were 2-10 or 1-11 so I’d say we probably got our money’s worth already on those insurance policies even if neither plays another minute all season because neither of them were likely high ticket items. Just because the team is “going nowhere” doesn’t make this an untrue statement.

 

[bac2therac]

OK so what's the alternative? Where are the points coming from against the top 75% of the Big 10, all of whom will clamp down on Dylan Grant?

Not from Francis besides his 8 or so

 

[bac2therac]

Look - I’m not fooled. It’s become crystal clear our coaching is poor along with our overall talent level including Francis.

But putting this aside - the two most complained about players on our roster preseason were Francis and Ogbole by a wide margin. Just because it’s true that neither of them are high major talents, does not make it untrue that without the two of them, we would almost certainly be 2-10 at best right now (it’s not a given we would’ve beaten Maine without them…) We’re instead 6-6 which, as bad as it is, is nothing like the state the program would be in if we were 2-10 or 1-11 so I’d say we probably got our money’s worth already on those insurance policies even if neither plays another minute all season because neither of them were likely high ticket items. Just because the team is “going nowhere” doesn’t make this an untrue statement.

Ogbole is basically unplayable vs rest of schedule

 

[BillyC80]

I don’t see the point of denigrating Tariq — he is what he is. You take the whole player, good and bad.

It’s up to the coach to motivate him and utilize him to maximize the good. The result against Penn was a very efficient 34 points.

Reminds me of the days when Shaq would be criticized for not being able to make foul shots, even though he was the most dominant guy on the court every night. You take the whole player.