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They’re related but they are distinctly separate concepts I think. imo
There are plenty of coaches who do more with less $$$. Coach failed to get most out of the transfers he picked. Also did not address having some semblance of a defensive big to clean up bad defense.
I mean, the second point is kinda exactly proving the point of NIL. Not that he was necessarily a great defensive player, but we had identified Malique Ewin who had a great season, then lose him cause of NIL issues. I think it’s fair to say Pike didn’t do a great job identifying talent, but I’d say a lot of coaches can mask some of their deficiencies where Pike cannot. Doesn’t mean he didn’t do a poor job in evaluation, but he certainly has a smaller margin for error than a lot of coaches.
Apparently we didn’t lose him because of nil, more stubbornness and pride
We could have given Ewin what he was asking for according to the mods. I understand there’s the slippery slope argument of him just continuing to ask for more, but that’s why Pike needs to be able to understand a player’s relative value and find an appropriate line to draw. From where I’m sitting, it would appear he undervalued Ewin.
Tonje was the 296th ranked portal player on 247 and has been killing it for Wisconsin.
Probably making more now than when he first signed with the badgers.
Probably making more now than when he first signed with the badgers.
I don’t know how much I buy that. We were told we were perfectly fine NIL wise, in the middle tier, and now apparently we are in the bottom tier. Maybe we had enough for Ewin alone, and probably should’ve paid that than spreading our NIL among four guys that pretty much weren’t B1G level. I’m sure there was a bit of the slope argument but if we had NIL to play with we would’ve secured Ewin or some big worth something.
The real Journalist in a great article just told all of us or all of that want to listen that we in fact did not have the money for players.
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No one really knows how good or bad the player evaluation was because no one really knows who was available to willing to come here for a price we could afford.
Overall, I am not convinced that player evaluation for portal players who have stats at the NCAA D1 level is a particularly differentiated skill. Player evaluation of high school players likely is.
Give me more money every time. Pike may be a below-average Big Ten coach but he is not some dumbass who won't be able to win with superior talent.
Overall, I am not convinced that player evaluation for portal players who have stats at the NCAA D1 level is a particularly differentiated skill. Player evaluation of high school players likely is.
Give me more money every time. Pike may be a below-average Big Ten coach but he is not some dumbass who won't be able to win with superior talent.
we went 15-17 with two top-5 nba draft picks this very season
If you think we had a superior roster compared to most Big Ten teams this season, then you are an idiot.
Well which is it now? Are you admitting the roster is not that good? Because if so then my bolded statement still makes sense.
The fact he created a bad roster is not evidence against the statement that he could win with a superior roster. If you have enough money to outspend people, you don't need any special talent for player evaluation or whatever to just buy up the good players. The good players are obvious; they are putting up good numbers against good competition. You only need a special skill if you are trying to moneyball with a limited budget and thus need to figure out whether the player of the year from the NEC will translate up to the Big Ten.
the roster outside of Ace and Dylan left a lot to be desired to say the least, but we had those two locked in already going into this past offseason.
it was up to Pike to surround them with 5-6 solid role players who could defend, rebound, and make some open 3s. We didn’t need to land whales in the portal, just the right players. Pike didn’t find the right players.
There is a difference between not having money for the best players (literally nobody denies this) and not picking the best players available of the limited pool available (poor roster decisions by the staff)
You seem to conveniently ignore this as a possibility when brought up.
The answer is obviously #1 because #2 isn't happening.
At some point people need to move on and actually work the problem instead of bemoanimg the lack of NIL.
At some point people need to move on and actually work the problem instead of bemoanimg the lack of NIL.
My brother in Christ, what do any of these words have to do with the below, which was the topic of conversation?
So your suggestion is that the posters on the board should be evaluating the players for the staff?
This is like exhibit #1,034,564,234,545 of conflating message board activity with the activity of the actual coaching staff and/or players.
well Pike was “too much of a dumbass” to find a few decent players to put around two 5-star freshmen who averaged a combined 37 points per game.
having Ace and Dylan on your roster to begin with puts you WAY ahead of most other teams in terms of having “superior talent”.
of course it’s easier to find better players when you have more money to work with, but the point is Pike did not do nearly a good enough job with what he had.
This has literally nothing to do with the topic which was about coaching the players he has.
No it doesn't, if we are talking about "talent" in the relevant sense, which is current ability and not future potential. Dylan was one of the better players in the Big Ten, sure (though he was also sick and hurt a lot), but Ace was something closer to "above average starter" than he was "superior player".
Were are top two better than average for the conference? Sure. But were they the best top two or anything like WAY ahead? No, absolutely not.
Cool, no one disputes this, but it's again completely off topic and you just want to shoehorn your "Pike bad" schtick into every conversation.
Also. They averaged so many points in part because the rest of the roster averaged nothing. The idea that these guys (especially Ace) were so dominant that all we needed were a few role players to put around them and we'd be good to go is nonsense. We needed legit starters. These guys MIGHT have been good enough to carry us to a borderline good offense but they were a disaster defensively. People are blinded by recruiting rankings and potential (and point totals from people who are taking 60% of the shots) and are not watching what actually happens on the court.
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Is your suggestion 1,034,564,234,545 more threads saying “We need more NIL. This fanbase sucks. We need more NIL”?
I won’t speak for others but I got the message after the first 43,056 threads.
No but that many threads saying “we need better player evaluation” or “Pike sucks” are just as boring and just as useless.
At least this thread poses a question for discussion.
well the school can’t force people to donate more to NIL, but it can make a coaching change. I’m sure most of the people that love Rutgers basketball are donating as much as they can already... I know I am. I don’t think complaining about our fanbase’s financial condition is productive, but making the coach feel some pressure could be.
Yes, I am sure the “Pike sucks” threads on the message board here are really ratcheting up the pressure lol
That’s because the players Pike evaluated and brought in to go with 2 NBA players were trash. Pike has a huge problem in evaluating players and talent
Sure that is what is going on pure PR price. It painted an accurate picture from what I heard from people who I trust actually know what’s going on. I should start ignoring them and only come to message board for my truths
I agree. Hence my comment to actually discuss how to accomplish "better player evaluation".
But you said it's pointless for fans to discuss such matters.
That's kinda the point of message boards though - to discuss stuff that has zero impact on the actual
But since we're discussing things that don't actually impact the team:
What's the discussion posed?
Seems the only discussion is "#1. We need better player evaluation" or "#2 We need more NIL".
Quite boring and useless?
I think it’s pointless in the sense that it doesn’t affect what actually happens. The point is just our own entertainment.