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[blacklistedbully]

BS! I tried every which way from Sunday to break it down for you, including the number of minutes played by the starting o-line vs the backup o-line. I specifically told you the percentage came out to about 62%, and that if you apply 62% to 4 15 minute quarters, you come up with, "midway through the 3rd Q".

I don't know how on God's Green Earth you came up with this idea that any "point in the game", including what is called, "midway-through-the-3rd" is determined by how many minutes an o-line played.

Listen, buddy, there is one....count 'em...ONE way, "midway through the 3rd Q" is defined, and that is the half-way point from it's beginning to it's end. At 15 minutes that exact midpoint is 7:30, which as it happens is EXACTLY the time the backup o-line took the field.

NOTHING I ever posted was in the slightest bit misleading. Even if we take your twisted view of, "they only played 1 series and 4:02 seconds (12 plays) in that quarter", we still have to compare that to the backups then, because you don't get to pretend there were only 9 minutes in a 15 minute quarter! And even there you fail, because the backups only played 4:58 and 11 plays!

How is this hard for you to understand? It is simple logic. The backups entered the game at the 7:30 mark of the 3rd Q. End of story. Jesus!

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Still waiting for you to explain the logic behind your claim that the backup o-line played way more than 1/2 the 3rd q. Obviously a mix of units on our team were considered "in the game" the entire game, including the 3rd Q. If the 4:02 & 12 plays until just 8:42 was left in the 3rd Q by our starting o-line did not constitute playing nearly mid-way through the 3rd Q, then that must mean you think the backups played the vast majority. So, please tell me why the 4:58 seconds & 11 plays the backup unit played when they came into the game EXACTLY AT THE MIDPOINT OF THE 3RD Q at 7:30 left in it means they played the vast majority of the 3rd, and not just a little over half of it?

And please don't come back with 2 possessions vs 1. That's just stupid on another level when one considers the starters actually ran 1 play more in that Q.

Please highlight where I made that statement about the back up o-line. But if you want to be technical, instead of admitting your original statement was misleading, the starters had the ball for 4:02, the second team 5:06 and CSU 5:52. So by time of possession it is less than a third of the quarter. You DO NOT count CSU's time of possession when discussing an offensive dependant stat of our rushing yards. So by that breakdown our second team offense did play more than half of our offensive time of possession in the 3rd quarter.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Am I in bizarro world?

It seems like a pretty easy concept. His statement suggests that we had our first string in for the entire first 1/2 of the 3rd Q.

You're just pointing out that he's misrepresenting that, correct? That the first string OL only (actually) had the ball for one possession.

What's hard to understand about this?

 

[Strike.sixpack]

BS! I tried every which way from Sunday to break it down for you, including the number of minutes played by the starting o-line vs the backup o-line. I specifically told you the percentage came out to about 62%, and that if you apply 62% to 4 15 minute quarters, you come up with, "midway through the 3rd Q".

I don't know how on God's Green Earth you came up with this idea that any "point in the game", including what is called, "midway-through-the-3rd" is determined by how many minutes an o-line played.

Listen, buddy, there is one....count 'em...ONE way, "midway through the 3rd Q" is defined, and that is the half-way point from it's beginning to it's end. At 15 minutes that exact midpoint is 7:30, which as it happens is EXACTLY the time the backup o-line took the field.

NOTHING I ever posted was in the slightest bit misleading. Even if we take your twisted view of, "they only played 1 series and 4:02 seconds (12 plays) in that quarter", we still have to compare that to the backups then, because you don't get to pretend there were only 9 minutes in a 15 minute quarter! And even there you fail, because the backups only played 4:58 and 11 plays!

How is this hard for you to understand? It is simple logic. The backups entered the game at the 7:30 mark of the 3rd Q. End of story. Jesus!

Because you are continuing to count CSU time of possession over a discussion that is specifically tied to our offensive rushing stats. It's a false context that I've already stated that I didn't think you originally intended to be misleading but the more you fight on it my opinion is changing. Even if you accept the time of when our first team scored in the third and included CSU's offense time to start (which why does their offense have anything with our rushing, I don't know) you were still wrong in that context. There was still 8:42 in the third and we had only the one possession. Sorry but you are still incorrect in either scenario.

 

[blacklistedbully]

O...M...G! Are you kidding me????

AGAIN, going by your absolutely incorrect methodology, even if we only consider the amount of time in the 3rd Q our starters played vs the backups, we are talking about 4:02 vs 4:58....a 56 second difference. Out of exactly 9 minutes, our starters played 4:02, which is 45% of the total time our offense played in the 3rd Q.

If we go by total number of plays (more accurate assessment, as it doesn't count bad data such as time between snaps), the starters played in 12 plays vs 11 for the backups, so by that measure, the starters played more in the 3rd Q than the backups on o-line.

You are the only one trying to be misleading by suggesting our starting o-line did not play close to half of the 3rd Q.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

It seems like a pretty easy concept. His statement suggests that we had our first string in for the entire first 1/2 of the 3rd Q.

You're just pointing out that he's misrepresenting that, correct? That the first string OL only (actually) had the ball for one possession.

What's hard to understand about this?

That's correct.

 

[blacklistedbully]

My God. You are hopelessly lost. Your logic is so flawed and on such an obvious and elementary level that I'm literally getting embarrassed for you.

You seem to want to discard the fact that the opponent actually does play, and their possessions do count when considering the midpoint of a quarter. But even when I try to ignore this and use your massively flawed logic, you still lose because, EVEN IF WE ONLY COUNT THE MINUTES OUR OFFENSE WAS ON THE FIELD in the 3rd Q, the starters represent 45% of that total time. 45%. Are you now going to argue that 45% isn't close to 50%??

 

[Strike.sixpack]

O...M...G! Are you kidding me????

AGAIN, going by your absolutely incorrect methodology, even if we only consider the amount of time in the 3rd Q our starters played vs the backups, we are talking about 4:02 vs 4:58....a 56 second difference. Out of exactly 9 minutes, our starters played 4:02, which is 45% of the total time our offense played in the 3rd Q.

If we go by total number of plays (more accurate assessment, as it doesn't count bad data such as time between snaps), the starters played in 12 plays vs 11 for the backups, so by that measure, the starters played more in the 3rd Q than the backups on o-line.

You are the only one trying to be misleading by suggesting our starting o-line did not play close to half of the 3rd Q.

So now you are trying to change the time percentage? You have been arguing for 2 days an offensive only stat for the entire 15 min of the 3rd quarter and our starters on offense played through midway in the third. Now you want to eliminate the rest of the quarter to make your stat work??

 

[FQDawg]

This thread is getting painful.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I agree, lock this SOB up. Makes me wanna gauge my eyes out.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Please, for the love of all that is holy, tell me you are trolling. It scares me to think you are serious at this point. I never once claimed or inferred our offense played 15 minutes of a 15 minute quarter. And the change to time percentage came with the disclaimer that I was using your really, really bad logic to show you that even using your terrible logic, it stills shows you are wrong.

There is simply no methodology in existence that supports your POV...none. By every measure you have been proven wrong, yet here you are, again and again, "stepping in it".

You began by quibbling with me that claiming our starters were in until "about midway through the 3rd quarter" was misleading because they only played about 4 minutes of that Q. Never mind that they did not leave the field until we were 70 seconds away from the EXACT midpoint. Never mind that they weren't actually replaced by the 2nd unit until EXACTLY the midpoint (7:30 left).

No, you could not accept that simple truth, so started in with this ridiculous BS that they only played 1 series, and only after CSU had a shot first. That has zero...ZERO to do with the FACT they did not come out until it was about halfway through the Q. You are the one who tried to make it about the time they were actually on the field, as if that would disprove a blatant, obvious fact. So I then used your "time-played-based logic" and showed how, even then you were dead wrong.

And when you tried to claim it was about number of series played, I blew that one to hell in a hand basket by proving to you the 2nd unit, though they played in 2, only did so because they got stopped after gaining just 28 yards, and followed that with a 3 & out. I blew that argument up by proving the 1st unit ran more plays in the 3rd Q than the 2nd unit. I blew it up by proving the starters played 45% of the total minutes played in that quarter.

I have taken every argument you have made, using both real logic and your twisted logic and proved each time you are wrong about our starters not playing about half the 3rd Q.

Now you want to complain that I am using your own BS logic to show you how wrong you are, and claim I'm the one trying to change the logic?

Wow. Again, I sincerely hope this has just been a troll attempt by you. Please, even if it's not, claim it was so you can save some face.

So now you are trying to change the time percentage? You have been arguing for 2 days an offensive only stat for the entire 15 min of the 3rd quarter and our starters on offense played through midway in the third. Now you want to eliminate the rest of the quarter to make your stat work??

 

[blacklistedbully]

Will it really make you happier if I said, "Our starters played the first half, and almost 1/2 of the time we were on offense in the 3rd Q, and actually more plays than the 2nd unit in the 3rd Q?

Do you think saying it that way would insinuate something different than, "our starters played until midway thought the 3rd Q? Seriously?

Please highlight where I made that statement about the back up o-line. But if you want to be technical, instead of admitting your original statement was misleading, the starters had the ball for 4:02, the second team 5:06 and CSU 5:52. So by time of possession it is less than a third of the quarter. You DO NOT count CSU's time of possession when discussing an offensive dependant stat of our rushing yards. So by that breakdown our second team offense did play more than half of our offensive time of possession in the 3rd quarter.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Please, for the love of all that is holy, tell me you are trolling. It scares me to think you are serious at this point. I never once claimed or inferred our offense played 15 minutes of a 15 minute quarter. And the change to time percentage came with the disclaimer that I was using your really, really bad logic to show you that even using your terrible logic, it stills shows you are wrong.

There is simply no methodology in existence that supports your POV...none. By every measure you have been proven wrong, yet here you are, again and again, "stepping in it".

You began by quibbling with me that claiming our starters were in until "about midway through the 3rd quarter" was misleading because they only played about 4 minutes of that Q. Never mind that they did not leave the field until we were 70 seconds away from the EXACT midpoint. Never mind that they weren't actually replaced by the 2nd unit until EXACTLY the midpoint (7:30 left).

No, you could not accept that simple truth, so started in with this ridiculous BS that they only played 1 series, and only after CSU had a shot first. That has zero...ZERO to do with the FACT they did not come out until it was about halfway through the Q. You are the one who tried to make it about the time they were actually on the field, as if that would disprove a blatant, obvious fact. So I then used your "time-played-based logic" and showed how, even then you were dead wrong.

And when you tried to claim it was about number of series played, I blew that one to hell in a hand basket by proving to you the 2nd unit, though they played in 2, only did so because they got stopped after gaining just 28 yards, and followed that with a 3 & out. I blew that argument up by proving the 1st unit ran more plays in the 3rd Q than the 2nd unit. I blew it up by proving the starters played 45% of the total minutes played in that quarter.

I have taken every argument you have made, using both real logic and your twisted logic and proved each time you are wrong about our starters not playing about half the 3rd Q.

Now you want to complain that I am using your own BS logic to show you how wrong you are, and claim I'm the one trying to change the logic?

Wow. Again, I sincerely hope this has just been a troll attempt by you. Please, even if it's not, claim it was so you can save some face.

You said they played midway through the 3rd quarter. STOP. That is what you stated. I stated it was "kinda" misleading since our starting offense played just one series and had the ball for 4:02. With every single scenario you have written your books about, even changing the stats to fit your logic, your original statement was incorrect and misleading. Our offensive starters did not, no matter many differing ways (with some of those ways actually conflicting with your earlier posts and stats) play THROUGH midway of the 3rd quarter. They did not and you have admitted it several times while still arguing you are right. How can you admit and show stats, even false stats, that proves your statement was wrong and misleading and yet argue you are right?

You do understand that as I have said if you are talking in general terms about playing time or time of possession, I understand what you are saying, but you and the original content of the post specifically are tying an offensive rushing stat that is dependent on our starting offense being on the field to a general time of the quarter. At one point you actually included both of CSU's offensive possessions to even get close to midway through the 3rd. How does their time of possession have bearing to our rushing yards per attempt with the context of when and how long it occurred?

 

[blacklistedbully]

And that is EXACTLY what happened. It doesn't matter that the starters played in 1 long series vs 2 short series of the quarter. If quarters were measured in number of drives or possessions, you would have an argument. They are not...never have been, so you don't. This point is so easy a first-grader could grasp it with ease.

Very scary that you can't. You cite the starters only played 4:02, but time and again fail to grasp that the backups played just 4:58. It blows my mind how much you are struggling with this simple concept. Just answer this simple question. If the 1st team played 4:02, and the 2nd team played 4:58, what percentage of our o-line's time on the field in that 3rd Q did the starters play?

Gonna help you with the formula 'cause I suspect you need it. You take the minutes the first team played (4:02) and divide it by the total time our o was on the field in that quarter (9:00). Since I also suspect you will struggle with the minutes/seconds thing, just convert to seconds, or 298 seconds divided by 540 seconds (9 x 60).

You said they played midway through the 3rd quarter.