We need to decide what is important

[Shamoan]

Stability or being frugal.

There are several top 10 coaches not earning their pay. Rich Rodriguez is the number 5 paid coach in the nation making a whopping 5.6 million. Sometimes, you have to overpay. Think of it like this, if we hire somebody with a decent resume and it doesn't work out, we are going to have to pay out the *** just to get them out the door just to roll the dice on ANOTHER coach. Of course, we could get a deal on a young coordinator, but that could end up a disaster. If we pony up and retain Mullen, we keep building and keep our top 20 class. By most accounts, the ball is in Mullen's court as we have offered a competitive counter, but it's not time to get cheap. Sounds like cohen gets this aspect and we will be willing to do our part within reason.

 

[o_dawgnabit]

If we are wanting to win championships, then I think we need to do our best to keep Mullen. I just don’t see any of these other hot candidates as someone who can get us to Atlanta in the coming years. Mullen is still a great coach despite how mad we are today. And I think now that we are willing to pony up for big assistants, we may have a chance in the coming years. We need to do our best to keep him IMO

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

Look at how much trouble schools like Florida and UT have had finding a coach. What are the odds we strike gold 2 times in a row. And then what are the odds on the next guy staying 9 years if he is good?

 

[CEO2044]

I think our administration realizes this. And this is a solid reason for Mullen to stay.

It's an investment, and personally Dan has proven he has the ability to improve our program year in and out. Outside of a few powerhouses, everyone will have a few down years, a bad game here and there. Nobody's perfect. But I'm impressed with what he's done here.

He's a great coach, and I hope we get to see him continue to build the program.

 

[MaroonNation]

Because Arizona overplays Rich Rod is no reason to overpay Mullen. Where will his incentive to improve come from if he knows he never has to prove anything?

 

[Shamoan]

I think you missed the point. The point was, sometimes you have to overpay to avoid risk and dismantling the foundation you have spent years building. In this case, I laid out a scenario where paying Mullen more might save us in the long run.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Mullen is worth the money, period. If the program goes backwards, like it did after Sherrill left, you will lose more money than you are going to pay Dan. It's not even an argument to be had. He has proven his worth to MSU.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

We are gonna pay him and he’s going to stay and unfortunately I think it’s the right move at this time bc of the uncertainty of who we could get and the team we have coming back next year. That being said I don’t think Mullen has what it takes to get us to Atlanta. He couldn’t do it in 2014 and the biggest thing besides the Alabama game that year is having such a terrible game plan against a badly beat up Ole Miss team and losing that knocked us out from having a shot in the playoff. Losing in 2014 and last night took a special kind of **** show performance to lose and it magically happened both times. He had Dak Prescott and the best thing in the trophy case in his tenure is a Belk Bowl. I don’t think he can consistently gameplan and call plays week in and week out to ever get us there. He had a great gameplan Against Alabama. Then he follows it up with 2 complete **** show performances against Arkansas and Ole Miss.

Can him and his staff ever consistently recruit year in and year out to move to the next level of which we are about to pay him? It’s a complex situation. Can he grow as a coach and learn from his mistakes or will he continue to give everyone the finger at times when he tries to pretend like he’s the smartest man in the room and goes 3 and out on 3 straight passes with his top 4 receivers out and the other team’s Defense sucks *** against the run. He had a losing season last year and 8-4 this year. He’s also 2-4 in his last 6 Egg Bowls which is incredibly important. Ugh that doesn’t scream $1.5 million per year raise to me. Sexton is going to parlay this into a big pay deal for Mullen like he did for Nutt at Ole Miss when Auburn was supposedly snooping around. Hopefully it ends better than the Nutt disaster at Ole Miss. I hope he wins the national Title and I can come on here and eat the biggest pile of Crow ever.

 

[512taylor]

Because Arizona overplays Rich Rod is no reason to overpay Mullen. Where will his incentive to improve come from if he knows he never has to prove anything?

You ask, "Where is the incentive"? It's called pride in a job well done. If you don't understand that basic tenant, then I suggest you read a few books that chronicle the lives of those that have been quite successful in their chosen occupations.

 

[57stratdawg]

I don’t see any reason to question MSU leadership’s financial commitment to winning at this point.

 

[thatsbaseball]

We suffered through Mullen's coaching brain farts and dysfunctional recruiting while he was learning to be a HC on our dime(make that millions of dimes). If his staying here is strictly about money and he is perpetually for sale to the highest bidder at this juncture then he's maxed out here and needs to move on. I'm not saying that's the case but success will call for MUTUAL respect and loyalty and we've done our part so far.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Basically the question is what is it worth not to take the chance on going back to the Croom era of success? I trust Cohen to make the right call here and it appears he has.

 

[Go Budaw]

It’s not really even overpaying. At least it won’t be for long. 5 years from now, the top 20-25 coaches in the country will all be making $6.5 - $7 million a year, minimum. Salaries for HC’s are perpetually increasing year over year and will continue to do so. And yet, they are still almost always bargains when you consider that a good Power 5 football coach is going to bring in tenfold his salary in terms of donations, increased enrollment due to excitement about the program, etc.

When Saban first returned to Bama from the Dolphins in 2007, he made an absolutely eye-popping (at the time) $4 million per year. Now, there are 30-40 coaches making that much, and Saban is making 3x that amount. There is literally no point in losing a good coach just to save a few bucks that you are going to have to pay out any way in less than a half a decade if you are lucky enough to land a decent replacement.

 

[Todd4State]

We are gonna pay him and he’s going to stay and unfortunately I think it’s the right move at this time bc of the uncertainty of who we could get and the team we have coming back next year. That being said I don’t think Mullen has what it takes to get us to Atlanta. He couldn’t do it in 2014 and the biggest thing besides the Alabama game that year is having such a terrible game plan against a badly beat up Ole Miss team and losing that knocked us out from having a shot in the playoff. Losing in 2014 and last night took a special kind of **** show performance to lose and it magically happened both times. He had Dak Prescott and the best thing in the trophy case in his tenure is a Belk Bowl. I don’t think he can consistently gameplan and call plays week in and week out to ever get us there. He had a great gameplan Against Alabama. Then he follows it up with 2 complete **** show performances against Arkansas and Ole Miss.

Can him and his staff ever consistently recruit year in and year out to move to the next level of which we are about to pay him? It’s a complex situation. Can he grow as a coach and learn from his mistakes or will he continue to give everyone the finger at times when he tries to pretend like he’s the smartest man in the room and goes 3 and out on 3 straight passes with his top 4 receivers out and the other team’s Defense sucks *** against the run. He had a losing season last year and 8-4 this year. He’s also 2-4 in his last 6 Egg Bowls which is incredibly important. Ugh that doesn’t scream $1.5 million per year raise to me. Sexton is going to parlay this into a big pay deal for Mullen like he did for Nutt at Ole Miss when Auburn was supposedly snooping around. Hopefully it ends better than the Nutt disaster at Ole Miss. I hope he wins the national Title and I can come on here and eat the biggest pile of Crow ever.

Good post but on the Egg Bowl and being 2-4 the last six years- I imagine at least 2 if not 3 are about to be shortly vacated and then last night we all know what happened and I can't pin that on Dan. What's Dan's record if Ole Miss isn't cheating and they don't intentionally hurt our QB?

So, he gets a pass from me on the Egg Bowl record for now. If we don't win the next two- then maybe it will be an issue then. More than likely he will turn that record around very shortly if I had to guess.

And that's why he is worth the investment to me. We have a ton of guys coming back and some of the freshmen that we have now and will be starting and playing major roles for us in 2019 may be even more talented than some of the great players we have now. A lot to be excited about for MSU.

 

[fishwater99]

You are so correct, we will overpay to "keep" Mullen (Sexton is just making $$, Dans not going anywhere) and will never beat Bama, dominate the cheaters up North or beat good teams on the road.
We are MSU, enjoy our winning seasons and crappy Bowl games, but don't ever book rooms for the BCS or SECC.

 

[3407Dewey]

Yep, see the Huskers as an example

Stability or being frugal.

There are several top 10 coaches not earning their pay. Rich Rodriguez is the number 5 paid coach in the nation making a whopping 5.6 million. Sometimes, you have to overpay. Think of it like this, if we hire somebody with a decent resume and it doesn't work out, we are going to have to pay out the *** just to get them out the door just to roll the dice on ANOTHER coach. Of course, we could get a deal on a young coordinator, but that could end up a disaster. If we pony up and retain Mullen, we keep building and keep our top 20 class. By most accounts, the ball is in Mullen's court as we have offered a competitive counter, but it's not time to get cheap. Sounds like cohen gets this aspect and we will be willing to do our part within reason.

Of the risks associated with rolling the dice again and again. It's worth paying up to keep a good coach, when compared to hiring then firing then hiring again. Nebraska may end up paying over $16 mil to EX-coaches and ADs.

http://www.omaha.com/news/nebraska/...cle_d758c488-9deb-52c7-a8a0-dd3277f5a98b.html

 

[bulldawg1063]

You are so correct, we will overpay to "keep" Mullen (Sexton is just making $$, Dans not going anywhere) and will never beat Bama, dominate the cheaters up North or beat good teams on the road.
We are MSU, enjoy our winning seasons and crappy Bowl games, but don't ever book rooms for the BCS or SECC.

What is this BCS you speak of?

 

[KurtRambis4]

You (and a few others) keep

mentioning the 2014 egg bowl loss like we were playing Belhaven.

This is dumb.

That om om defense was pretty damn good.

 

[philduckworth]

We suffered through Mullen's coaching brain farts and dysfunctional recruiting while he was learning to be a HC on our dime(make that millions of dimes). If his staying here is strictly about money and he is perpetually for sale to the highest bidder at this juncture then he's maxed out here and needs to move on. I'm not saying that's the case but success will call for MUTUAL respect and loyalty and we've done our part so far.

AMEN to that.

 

[Shamoan]

He should get a pass on the egg bowls. Really, it's a testament to his coaching ability that he has won any considering the talent disparity (or perceived disparity) given the fact that ole miss is buying players.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

mentioning the 2014 egg bowl loss like we were playing Belhaven.

This is dumb.

That om om defense was pretty damn good.

Dude come on. That team at that point was trash and that State team was at that point considered our best ever and they **** themselves. They got beat 30-0 to Arky the week before and 42-3 in the bowl game after. Bo Wallace was injured and playing on one leg and had only Evan Engram at the time bc Treadwell and Vince Sanders were out for the year. Mullen **** the bed with his gameplan and playcalling on Offense that day but he didn’t hold a candle to “Psycho D” **** for Brains Geoff Collins Defensive Gameplan. Just cover Evan Engram and blitz Bo Wallace and they don’t even score. That was a very, very bad loss. One of the most embarrassing losses in his tenure. Most Ole Miss fans were subdued and had conceded victory before the game. Pretty much like this week until they won.

 

[KurtRambis4]

They had one

of the best defenses in the nation. Period.

Im not going to sit here and say I was happy losing to them, but that team was not "trash."

Seriously, 9-3 is trash now?

****, no wonder some of y'all hate Mullen so much.

ETA: I was at the game. I don't know where you're getting this "most om fans were subdued and conceded," because they sure as **** weren't like that in Oxford that day, leading up to that game. Where do you come up with this crap?

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

of the best defenses in the nation. Period.

Im not going to sit here and say I was happy losing to them, but that team was not "trash."

Seriously, 9-3 is trash now?

****, no wonder some of y'all hate Mullen so much.

ETA: I was at the game. I don't know where you're getting this "most om fans were subdued and conceded," because they sure as **** weren't like that in Oxford that day, leading up to that game. Where do you come up with this crap?

9-4 and they weren’t the same team by the time the Egg Bowl kicked off. That team was badly hampered by injuries. Pretty much the same as us the other night except they beat our best team. Awe that’s cute you think you are the only one that goes to road games. Yeah they were subdued in the Grove all day. They thought they were gonna lose and the only reason they got pumped was bc State let them hang around with their **** show performance. Once the crowd got into it it was a ballgame. Then Mullen Mullened the game away on offense. Going 4 wide on 3rd and long and running Dak up the middle all day. Ole Miss never flinched. They kept linebackers in the box bc everyone in the stadium knew what was about to happen. Hev’s Heroes on the offensive line got owned by Nkemdiche and the rest of the $$$ boys all day. CJ Johnson owned Blaine Clausell on the edge too. Really pathetic. Take your L and walk. I’m still mad as hell about that game.

 

[Croom's knee socks]

I agree that we should pay dan. With this pay increase I want the annual Mullen to wherever ended. Is that too much to ask?

 

[KurtRambis4]

aGAIN, posting

that a 9-4* SEC team (that beat AL) is "trash" is dumb. Eleven (11) preseason all-SEC players. Five pre-season AA's.

There's no way to argue that, so I'll stop.

As far as me saying I was at the game, it wasn't to tout my away game attendance record, Einstein, it was to refute your (false) statement that "most om fans were subdued and conceded."

I can assure you, all of those i saw that day, prior to the game, weren't conceding.

If you want to continue to make **** up, have at it.

 

[ckDOG]

Are you if the opinion we are underachieving?

You are so correct, we will overpay to "keep" Mullen (Sexton is just making $$, Dans not going anywhere) and will never beat Bama, dominate the cheaters up North or beat good teams on the road.
We are MSU, enjoy our winning seasons and crappy Bowl games, but don't ever book rooms for the BCS or SECC.

If so, what is your suggestion for improvement?

Or, are you simply Coach34 light simply trying to stir the pot?

Fine with either - just be clear.

 

[fishwater99]

mentioning the 2014 egg bowl loss like we were playing Belhaven.

This is dumb.

That om om defense was pretty damn good.

So was our offense with Dak

 

[KurtRambis4]

Good point, Lennie****

*

 

[fishwater99]

Yes I don't feel like we are getting our money's worth but I am pretty sure we couldn't find a better coach than Mullen this year. He has done great things for us but I am not confident he can take us any further than we have been already.

 

[EAVdog]

Hell yeah we should pay Mullen. You idiots seem to forget this is the first year he has been given any money to go out and get a decent DC. He has been building this program to a point where we can have a legitimate shot at playoffs. There isn’t a coach in the country who is going to just walk in and bam, we’re up there with Ohio State, Bama, Oklahoma, USC etc... the next couple of years or more we’re going to be damn good. Just look at our recruiting, the OL now, Key Thompson, Jaylon Marden, and on and on. He isn’t leaving because he’s put in the work to get us here. And before anyone cries about this years Egg Bowl it isn’t coaching that makes a team turn over the ball 5 times. Fluke *** crap after the players were obviously in shock seeing Nick’s injury.