We must be missing something here. Forde and Finebaum are saying...

[Hugh Sleeze]

these sanctions are devastating. And Vitter is pissed. I don't get it. Maybe we're all wrong on the number of scholarships.

Per Forde:

"NCAA hit Ole Miss with a big ol' hammer. Enforcement laid out case and COI applied sanctions. After UNC's escape this helps NCAA credibility."

 

[tatedog]

I think this is a matter of those three not taking into account that while these penalties would possibly hurt in a vacuum, they are more than mitigated by the "creativity" that the Network will employ going forward. They would cripple a cooperative program. They will be a minor speed bump for Ole Miss boosters.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I think this is a matter of those three not taking into account that while these penalties would possibly hurt in a vacuum, they are more than mitigated by the "creativity" that the Network will employ going forward. They would cripple a cooperative program. They will be a minor speed bump for Ole Miss boosters.

This is what happened to SMU. They continued to cheat. If they do and are caught then the NCAA has no choice but to hammer them then under the repeat offender stuff.

 

[Hugh Sleeze]

I keep reading the scholarship reduction is 13 plus the 11 self imposed. That would make sense.

 

[was21]

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[ShrubDog]

Its a total of 13. It. Is. A. Joke

 

[tatedog]

I think that what it is...total of 24

The NCAA is even worse at explaining penalties than they are at handing them out.

 

[Hugh Sleeze]

I do like the fact that Leo was vindicated by the committee hitting ole miss with Lack of Institutional Control. That would not have happened if he had lied and flamed out during his testimony. Humperdoo, McCready are just flat out full of ****.

 

[dickiedawg]

I think the NCAA was fairly clear. It was the "leaks" that caused the confusion.

 

[johnson86-1]

I do like the fact that Leo was vindicated by the committee hitting ole miss with Lack of Institutional Control. That would not have happened if he had lied and flamed out during his testimony. Humperdoo, McCready are just flat out full of ****.

I don't think Leo was vindicated. I don't know that the Not-a-fans were either. The COI talked tough, but they obviously thought there were massive problems with the case to accept the self-imposed schollies. Whether the problems were with Leo's testimony or not, who knows.

 

[Hugh Sleeze]

Couldn't disagree more. Over the last few months, all the local hosts and ole miss reporters agreed that Lack of Institutional Control hinged on Leo's testimony and if the COI found him credible. So, they clearly found him to be credible, which means ole miss reporters and their sources are not.

 

[HumpDawgy]

A multi year investigation with 21 infractions that was extended in a second notice and these penalties seem harsh? I don't think so. If I were the NCAA and spent this much time and money on an investigation, I would damn well have more to show for it than the penalties given. If you read their report it sounds like they are about to drop the hammer on them, and then they just.....drop the hammer on the floor. Pathetic.

 

[Dawgzilla]

I think the NCAA was fairly clear. It was the "leaks" that caused the confusion.

Why couldn't Bjork just release the report early instead of leaking info to his minions and getting everyone confused?

 

[Cossa]

I keep reading the scholarship reduction is 13 plus the 11 self imposed. That would make sense.

Nope. Grand total of 13.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Nope. Grand total of 13.

I just read it again. It's 13 schollys in addition to those already imposed. The hangup seems to be that OM already imposed the 11. They're counting back to the 2015-2018 classes, which means it's 13 going forward, but from the NCAA perspective it's 24 total schollys that cannot be used.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Couldn't disagree more. Over the last few months, all the local hosts and ole miss reporters agreed that Lack of Institutional Control hinged on Leo's testimony and if the COI found him credible. So, they clearly found him to be credible, which means ole miss reporters and their sources are not.

I don't think those local hosts and "ole miss reporters" knew what they were talking about. I know the ole miss reporters were clueless. The NCAA report specifically says the finding of Lack of Institutional Control was based on a culture of noncompliance going back decades, that resulting in multiple violations occurring from 2010 through 2016, in which boosters and coaches knowingly broke NCAA violations. Leo's testimony only related to two of those violations.

 

[Drebin]

I just read it again. It's 13 schollys in addition to those already imposed. The hangup seems to be that OM already imposed the 11. They're counting back to the 2015-2018 classes, which means it's 13 going forward, but from the NCAA perspective it's 24 total schollys that cannot be used.

No, it's 13 total. It lays it out in a nice little bullets, year by year, in the document.

 

[Dawgzilla]

I just read it again. It's 13 schollys in addition to those already imposed. The hangup seems to be that OM already imposed the 11. They're counting back to the 2015-2018 classes, which means it's 13 going forward, but from the NCAA perspective it's 24 total schollys that cannot be used.

I'm not seeing that. Here is the quote from the NCAA report:

4. Scholarship reductions: Mississippi has reduced, and shall reduce, football grants-in-aid bygreater than 15% as outlined below:
Academic year 2015-16: Overall reduction: 1; Initial reduction: 0
Academic year 2016-17: Overall reduction: 2; Initial reduction: 3
Academic year 2017-18: Overall reduction: 6; Initial reduction: 4
Academic year 2018-19: Overall reduction: 4; Initial reduction: 3
Totals: 13 grants overall, 10 initial grants. (Self-imposed.)

So that's it, 13 total scholarships lost spread over 4 years, and 10 initial scholarships spread over 3. So this year (academic year 2017-18), they could only give out 21 new scholarships instead of the usual 25, and they could only have 79 total scholarship players on the roster. Next year they will be able to have 81 scholarship players, and then after that they are good to go!

At least that's how I read it. I admit its kind of confusing, but in no way am I seeing 24 total scholarships.

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

This...According to Hugh Cheese&Burger Kellenburger...

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[DerHntr]

A multi year investigation with 21 infractions that was extended in a second notice and these penalties seem harsh? I don't think so. If I were the NCAA and spent this much time and money on an investigation, I would damn well have more to show for it than the penalties given. If you read their report it sounds like they are about to drop the hammer on them, and then they just.....drop the hammer on the floor. Pathetic.

It’s funny to me that they lost less scholarships than the total number of infractions levied.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Well, that's just ridiculous.

Good lord NCAA.

 

[ShrubDog]

It’s funny to me that they lost less scholarships than the total number of infractions levied.

And a book was written about it. I appreciate all Steve has done but I’m laughing right now.

 

[EAVdog]

I'm not seeing that. Here is the quote from the NCAA report:

4. Scholarship reductions: Mississippi has reduced, and shall reduce, football grants-in-aid bygreater than 15% as outlined below:
Academic year 2015-16: Overall reduction: 1; Initial reduction: 0
Academic year 2016-17: Overall reduction: 2; Initial reduction: 3
Academic year 2017-18: Overall reduction: 6; Initial reduction: 4
Academic year 2018-19: Overall reduction: 4; Initial reduction: 3
Totals: 13 grants overall, 10 initial grants. (Self-imposed.)

So that's it, 13 total scholarships lost spread over 4 years, and 10 initial scholarships spread over 3. So this year (academic year 2017-18), they could only give out 21 new scholarships instead of the usual 25, and they could only have 79 total scholarship players on the roster. Next year they will be able to have 81 scholarship players, and then after that they are good to go!

At least that's how I read it. I admit its kind of confusing, but in no way am I seeing 24 total scholarships.

It will be interesting with the new hard 25 rule. They won't be able to go out and over sign 37 players like Nutt did.

 

[MSUDC11]

Yeah, I hope Steve sold a bunch of books this fall because now it’s much ado about nothing. And I’m not blaming him for that, he did good reporting and never gave anything more than a guess on what he thought the penalties would be. But I can’t imagine today was great news for him.

 

[Moe Cabelle]

Uhh, why bang on Steve? How did he have any control over the results? Sure, they aren't as bad as they SHOULD be, but much ado about nothing? That's a bit silly. Media seems to think they got hammered, but like you I'm not entirely sure they did.

IF they quit cheating going forward, then that would be good. Nothing to say that's going to happen though.

 

[FQDawg]

Forde and Finebaum aren't the only ones. Basically every national writer who's mentioned it (at least that I've seen on Twitter) has had the same line: that Ole Miss got hammered.

I guess we can only hope that recruits see that and believe that it's true instead of, you know, actually looking at the pathetic sanctions that the NCAA actually handed down.

 

[johnson86-1]

Couldn't disagree more. Over the last few months, all the local hosts and ole miss reporters agreed that Lack of Institutional Control hinged on Leo's testimony and if the COI found him credible. So, they clearly found him to be credible, which means ole miss reporters and their sources are not.

Why do you think they found him credible? Whatever they said about who they believed and what they found, where the rubber meets the road, they didn't hand out punishments reflecting LOIC and 15 Level I violations. Maybe that didn't have anything to do with Leo, but I don't think you can look at Ole Miss skating and say Leo was vindicated. Doesn't necessarily say anything about him one way or the other.

 

[tatedog]

Such a disconnect between national and local reporters. HK on Memphis radio as much as said after Vitter announced they would appeal the bowl ban, he and Bjork probably went in a back room and poured champagne on each other.

 

[Chesusdog]

Because it's inexplicable. They had more of the highest variety of violation than they did scholarships lost. The punishment to the university is insanely weak.