And Cliff has become the guy in gym class that you didn’t cover and still nobody threw him ball
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We’d still be better with him
Cliff twisted his ankle in the Texas A&M game on Saturday, and had a limited practice on Monday because of it.. I wouldn’t expect him to be 100% yet, which might explain his playing time and minimal stats in the Mississippi loss on Tuesday.
He is shooting 74%. I'm guessing half of points are from dunks. No post up for Cliff at Alabama.
His minutes are 2/3rds of what they were last year but all the bad stuff has been eliminated by their coaching staff. Adjust for the minutes and his turnovers are down, assists are up, rebounds are up, steals and blocks are down (likely playing more disciplined), shooting percentage improved by almost 50% (51% to 74%).
He would never be this version at RU. Players are free to do what they want here. I want Alabama version of Cliff.
His minutes are 2/3rds of what they were last year but all the bad stuff has been eliminated by their coaching staff. Adjust for the minutes and his turnovers are down, assists are up, rebounds are up, steals and blocks are down (likely playing more disciplined), shooting percentage improved by almost 50% (51% to 74%).
He would never be this version at RU. Players are free to do what they want here. I want Alabama version of Cliff.
Yep. He needed to go elsewhere to try and develop further and improve his overall game. Not sure that is happening, but his lack of development over his 4 years at RU goes in the negative column for Pike and staff. Situations like this may hinder recruiting 4 and 5 star kids just as much as not making the NCAA's this year.
I don’t understand the point of threads like this where poster rip former players who repped us well
Actually, the poser is praising Clifford. He's ripping the RU coaching staff.
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Be careful you’ll be accused of just being here with an agenda to rip Pike spitting facts. You’re just supposed to be happy it’s not Littlepage or Jordan, a solid example that talent doesn’t develop here is irrelevant. Also if you just want the staff to adapt, adjust and truly coach up talent you’re also demanding too much.
Feeding Cliff for post ups and allowing him to shoot 3’s prioritized his theoretical NBA chance over what was best for the team.
I'll never forget this tweet from when Clif went through the draft process before coming back to Rutgers.
Coaches need to have a tough conversation with players about the reality of their future.
But the players also need to be ready to hear that reality. HC Pike could tell Clif he needs him to fit a different role (defense and rebounding, minimal offense involvement) but Clif needs to accept that.
And if Clif won't accept it - the coach needs to bench him and burn that relationship with a player HC Pike has had for multiple years.
It's a tough situation all around.
Yep, and as Pike’s first high level recruit he needed to show he could develop that kind of player for the NBA. Or so I imagine he thought.
In fairness to Pike, it's different when Cliff was a 20 or 21 yr old upcoming athlete who has NBA aspirations to where Cliff is now. I am sure Cliff is aware that he isn't getting drafted or going to the NBA at this point, so there is no need to develop other parts of his game. He just has to do what he does best for Bama.
If Pike had 3 alternatives for Cliff on the roster like Alabama had things might have been a bit different too. Pike had Ogbole.
His last year even with his offensive limitations getting the ball to Cliff was a better option than the supporting cast for the most part except cam. Completely different situations.
Still not sure what the point of this is
We would have 3 more wins minimum with him in our lineup
Just because he isn’t a fit with Alabama doesn’t mean he wouldn’t help us
Cliff would have been great with this year's team as he would not have had to be main scoring option. Just focus on defense, rebounds and dunks with proper spacing on the floor. Of course, Pike is partially to blame for lack of player development. Now he is with a real coach at Alabama with a full bag of cash. Unfortunately, he is on a team with comparable talent as his so he is not seeing same playing time.
In fairness, the average Alabama game has seven more possessions than a ‘23-‘24 Rutgers game, so that might explain the rebounding — his offensive and defensive rebounding percentage are about the same from the last few years.
He also shot close to 65 percent from the field in 21-22 and led the country in dunks, I think it had less do with Pikes ineptitude and more with Cliff needing to do more than he should with how bad the rest of our roster has been offensively post RHJ/Geo
I agree with you as long as he didn’t post up and take any of his brick shots. We could certainly use his rim protection and rebounding though
Has he really developed and improved his overall game, or he is playing with better players that allow him just to do the things he does well?
We probably beat Princeton and kennesaw with him but we still wouldn’t be top half of the big ten or close to it
Of course RU would be better with Clff, but thinking about Cliff on this year's team is silly. RU simply couldn't afford him.
As Pike likes to say, he traded in his Adidas bag for a Gucci bag.
I've got no problem with it. If someone says to me, "Hey, I'll give you more than a million dollars to wash my car," I'm going to wash their car.
As Pike likes to say, he traded in his Adidas bag for a Gucci bag.
I've got no problem with it. If someone says to me, "Hey, I'll give you more than a million dollars to wash my car," I'm going to wash their car.
Cliff(24-25)
Dunk 31-35 88.6%
Non Dunk(within 5ft) 12-24 50%
(5ft to 3pt line} 4-6 66.7%
No 3pt attempts.
Dunk 31-35 88.6%
Non Dunk(within 5ft) 12-24 50%
(5ft to 3pt line} 4-6 66.7%
No 3pt attempts.
Where did you get this? I was looking for his dunk total but couldn't find a source.
Basically 2/3rds of his baskets are dunks. I'd love to see all of the 24 non-dunks within 5 ft. I believe A LOT of them are layups.
I don't think Alabama helped develop him. They just told him what to do and what not to do based on his capabilities. This is who Cliff is. Did he essentially plateau 3 years ago?
If Cliff is here, Lathan would still be here, no? Lathan has proven to be one of the best FT shooters on the team, when holding a lead and the other team is fouling you would put him in anyway, I'd think.
Yes adjusting for the numbers his points are up .2, rebounds .4 and assist are up, .4 per game. I would actually think it should be higher since he is playing on the 4th ranked team with much better players than we had last year.