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Just awful. How does Buffalo have better players than us? Very poor performance by us. I guess the loss of 4 players from the team took its toll. 5 if you count KK. Oh and no Stringer. Is there a curse on our program?
 
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OntheBanks

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Too many missed layups. Mishandled passes, Slow interior defense.
Ugly offensive sets.
 

wngarbarini

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Let’s face it. Eatman did the best job he could but with all of the dismissals and quitting this team was in a downward spiral. I am just as glad they lost rather than getting crushed in the next game by UConn by 60 points. Let Buffalo get killed and save us the embarrassment.
 
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Just awful. How does Buffalo have better players than us? Very poor performance by us. I guess the loss of 4 players from the team took its toll. 5 if you count KK. Oh and no Stringer. Is there a curse on our program?
Pretty much - how many players can you lose and still be at your best?

Until I saw the game I didn't know Calhoun quit.

I did not - contrary to some other comments - think their performance was particularly awful. Buffalo was a "dangerous" opponent - it was really our defense that was awful, we scored over 70 which historically would have given us the win.

This was certainly not a bad season, especially both given where they were 2 years ago and also given the personnel issues that plagued the season. While some of the actual games we lost were ugly, the truth of the matter is we would have had a better seed if 1 or 2 of our losses had been wins (any of them, none were "that" bad in a seeding sense) and even more so, if we could have beaten either Drake or Gonzaga to give us another "signature" win. That said, an NCAA win would have been excellent for the future of the program.
 
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MADHAT1

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Pretty much - how many players can you lose and still be at your best?

Until I saw the game I didn't know Calhoun quit.

I did not - contrary to some other comments - think their performance was particularly awful. Buffalo was a "dangerous" opponent - it was really our defense that was awful, we scored over 70 which historically would have given us the win.

This was certainly not a bad season, especially both given where they were 2 years ago and also given the personnel issues that plagued the season. While some of the actual games we lost were ugly, the truth of the matter is we would have had a better seed if 1 or 2 of our losses had been wins (any of them, none were "that" bad in a seeding sense) and even more so, if we could have beaten either Drake or Gonzaga to give us another "signature" win. That said, an NCAA win would have been excellent for the future of the program.
It was the type of season that was better than some ( before the season) claimed it would be.

Far worse than some felt it was during its great run during the season.

Not the sky is falling season some cried during a losing streak.

Not a bunch of criminals that some implied before a player had the charges dismissed after ( sadly) being dismissed from the program

But a season that seen a lot of things that might destroy a program being overcome to reach the NCAA tourney.
The showing against Buffalo wasn't a good one, but the road to Storrs was a hard one and the team just wasn't good enough to overcome that and the flaws that need to be addressed in the off-season.

I'm not happy with the loss, but can look with pride on this team because of the roadblocks it faced and it overcoming them to make the Dance. Even if it lost in the first round there is for many RU WBB fans a hope for better times next season and a longer dance card.

But for some, nothing is good enough and if RU doesn't win it all , it was a bad season.
 
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RUonBrain

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Calhoun quit the team earlier this week

What a joke

Has anyone ever heard of a player quitting an NCAA team the week before the opening round?

How do you look at yourself in the mirror?

Unless it was something crazy that made her feel obligated to quit - than how can the person responsible look THEMSELVES in the mirror?

And what do her teammates say to her next time they see each other?
 
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Calhoun quit the team earlier this week

What a joke

Has anyone ever heard of a player quitting an NCAA team the week before the opening round?

How do you look at yourself in the mirror?

Unless it was something crazy that made her feel obligated to quit - than how can the person responsible look THEMSELVES in the mirror?

And what do her teammates say to her next time they see each other?
Just saw the official "why she left" - put in plain English, it sounds like she is planning on trying for the WNBA and didn't want to risk injury. The statement was "prepare for the next phase of my life" or something like that.

Something that lots of football players do and everyone is ok with it. Something PTI thought the Duke men's star should do - not return from his injury just sit it out.

While there is a lot more money on the men's side, who knows what her situation is. Prince left a whole season on the table to go make some money.
 
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APKnight

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The worst part is Buffalo has 7 freshmen on its roster, and we lose a boatload of players to graduation. I fear what next year will be like.
 

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Just saw the official "why she left" - put in plain English, it sounds like she is planning on trying for the WNBA and didn't want to risk injury. The statement was "prepare for the next phase of my life" or something like that.

Something that lots of football players do and everyone is ok with it. Something PTI thought the Duke men's star should do - not return from his injury just sit it out.

While there is a lot more money on the men's side, who knows what her situation is. Prince left a whole season on the table to go make some money.

Apples and oranges... comparing Calhoun to players who, in football and basketball, were just about guaranteed to not only become pros, but to be high draft picks. To compare Calhoun to one of the best to ever wear Scarlet is laughable in both their contributions to the program and the way they left the program.
 

MADHAT1

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The worst part is Buffalo has 7 freshmen on its roster, and we lose a boatload of players to graduation. I fear what next year will be like.
They also had 5 seniors and 2 juniors on their roster.
Jones (s) , Hemphill (j),Dillard (s) & Wilkins(s) put in the most minutes along with the sophomore Hall .
RU had Zipp a freshman , Arella a soph & Tekia a soph play the most minutes on the floor along with 2 seniors Stasha and Charise.
Experience was on Buffalo's side, but even that doesn't excuse RU losing like it did.

Most of the players Rutgers are losing have replacements ready to take over.
Replacing Carey is the problem to worry about.
I'm hoping Maroi is ready to take Stasha's place in as a freshman and it will be a smooth transition.
 
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RUJMM78

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It was the type of season that was better than some ( before the season) claimed it would be.

Far worse than some felt it was during its great run during the season.

Not the sky is falling season some cried during a losing streak.

Not a bunch of criminals that some implied before a player had the charges dismissed after ( sadly) being dismissed from the program

But a season that seen a lot of things that might destroy a program being overcome to reach the NCAA tourney.
The showing against Buffalo wasn't a good one, but the road to Storrs was a hard one and the team just wasn't good enough to overcome that and the flaws that need to be addressed in the off-season.

I'm not happy with the loss, but can look with pride on this team because of the roadblocks it faced and it overcoming them to make the Dance. Even if it lost in the first round there is for many RU WBB fans a hope for better times next season and a longer dance card.

But for some, nothing is good enough and if RU doesn't win it all , it was a bad season.
I understand that you are a passionate supporter of this team.At the same time your last comment regarding winning it all is ridiculous.Fans knew this was a flawed team as the problems occurred on and off the court.There is no excuse,however,for the poor defensive performance against a 10th seed opponent.Rutgers should have won this game by double digits after scoring 70 points .
 
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Just saw the official "why she left" - put in plain English, it sounds like she is planning on trying for the WNBA and didn't want to risk injury. The statement was "prepare for the next phase of my life" or something like that.

Something that lots of football players do and everyone is ok with it. Something PTI thought the Duke men's star should do - not return from his injury just sit it out.

While there is a lot more money on the men's side, who knows what her situation is. Prince left a whole season on the table to go make some money.

That is a pathetic excuse to quit on your team

WNBA doesn't make any money

Kick her out of school
 

Abro1975

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43 wins over the last 2 seasons. The best program at RU almost every season for decades, a 3rd place finish when picked to finish much lower,
And w a tough loss, w a depleted bench , to an excellent shooting team well coached by a disciple of HOF Coach Stringer , and the haters again come out of the woodwork. They mostly only appear after a loss.
They are the self loathing, pathetic fans who seem to enjoy basking in misery instead of enjoying the successes.
Guess what haters, we have an excellent recruiting class coming in , a healthy KK Sanders returning , and according to Hobbs on the podcast yesterday, expect a fully healthy return of our HOF Coach- C VIVIAN STRINGER!!

Enjoy your pathetic, miserable lives , you creep haters.
 

MADHAT1

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I understand that you are a passionate supporter of this team.At the same time your last comment regarding winning it all is ridiculous.Fans knew this was a flawed team as the problems occurred on and off the court.There is no excuse,however,for the poor defensive performance against a 10th seed opponent.Rutgers should have won this game by double digits after scoring 70 points .
yes last comment was a little overboard, but there are those who know this program overcome some adversity refuse to admit that and always are looking for something to complain about even after wins.

To me, some who post here will give credit after a win, but it seems like that credit is given grudgingly . Then there isn't any hesitation hesitation posting here ( to complain) for some after a loss as it seems to be ( congratulating the team) after a win
That gets old, to me and my frustration over it shows occasionally.

Now here's something from OTB that seems to fit this team and how it ran out of gas.
>"The 2018-2019 season is over and it certainly had its ups and downs. Head Coach C. Vivian Stringer missed the final few weeks of the season due to a medical leave. CC Cryor and Caitlin Jenkins, the third and fifth leading scorers on the team, were dismissed with just a few games left in the season. Reserve Sierra Calhoun left the team this week on her own and Noga Peleg Pelc, a freshman who led the team from three-point range this season, left the game in the first quarter due to injury. It became too much for this team to overcome."
https://www.onthebanks.com/2019/3/2...-71-in-first-round-of-ncaa-tournament-big-ten
 

RULoyal

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CVS is a HOF coach and has done great things here and no one can deny that. Looking back over the years all our teams have two things in common - defense is the strong point and offense is the weak point. As the women's game has evolved and become more athletic and more offense oriented this has become more of an issue. We have heard for number of years that CVS is going to change her philosophy and while she may be trying, I don't know if we have seen an impactful difference.

There comes a point, no matter the career, when it's time to step aside. Given her age and new health issues perhaps it is time for a graceful exit and fond farewell and expression of thanks from the RU community. Just an opinion.
 
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They also had 5 seniors and 2 juniors on their roster.
Jones (s) , Hemphill (j),Dillard (s) & Wilkins(s) put in the most minutes along with the sophomore Hall .
RU had Zipp a freshman , Arella a soph & Tekia a soph play the most minutes on the floor along with 2 seniors Stasha and Charise.
Experience was on Buffalo's side, but even that doesn't excuse RU losing like it did.

Most of the players Rutgers are losing have replacements ready to take over.
Replacing Carey is the problem to worry about.
I'm hoping Maroi is ready to take Stasha's place in as a freshman and it will be a smooth transition.

Thanks for clarifying. I was feeling very negative about the program.
 

Abro1975

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CVS is a HOF coach and has done great things here and no one can deny that. Looking back over the years all our teams have two things in common - defense is the strong point and offense is the weak point. As the women's game has evolved and become more athletic and more offense oriented this has become more of an issue. We have heard for number of years that CVS is going to change her philosophy and while she may be trying, I don't know if we have seen an impactful difference.

There comes a point, no matter the career, when it's time to step aside. Given her age and new health issues perhaps it is time for a graceful exit and fond farewell and expression of thanks from the RU community. Just an opinion.


Fortunately our AD doesn’t pay attention to dopey fans.

42 wins in 2 years. Still one of the best recruiters in the country, that plays in an antiquated arena , with a crappy fan base.
 

RULoyal

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Fortunately our AD doesn’t pay attention to dopey fans.

42 wins in 2 years. Still one of the best recruiters in the country, that plays in an antiquated arena , with a crappy fan base.
Sorry you feel the need to stoop to name calling.
 
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They also had 5 seniors and 2 juniors on their roster.
Jones (s) , Hemphill (j),Dillard (s) & Wilkins(s) put in the most minutes along with the sophomore Hall .
RU had Zipp a freshman , Arella a soph & Tekia a soph play the most minutes on the floor along with 2 seniors Stasha and Charise.
Experience was on Buffalo's side, but even that doesn't excuse RU losing like it did.

Most of the players Rutgers are losing have replacements ready to take over.
Replacing Carey is the problem to worry about.
I'm hoping Maroi is ready to take Stasha's place in as a freshman and it will be a smooth transition.
I've see Carey have good games, but I've also seen her miss too many easy buckets under the basket and
dropping quite a number of passes to her as if she was in a fog. She appears to me to have very slow reaction time.
That also applies to defense. Not getting over to defend someone driving to the basket. Looks like her feet were
stuck in mud.
I think we've seen the last of Peleg Pelc. Just don't think she'll stick around unless there are major coaching changes. My opinion.
2 players that I really like are Zippy and Mack. They are my type of players.
 

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That is a pathetic excuse to quit on your team

WNBA doesn't make any money

Kick her out of school
I am not sure there is a direct correlation between the 2018 NJ Taxes I just filed and the Athletic Scholarships that students receive, but how does Calhoun come to Rutgers (get another degree) and just walk away like this?
 
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I am not sure there is a direct correlation between the 2018 NJ Taxes I just filed and the Athletic Scholarships that students receive, but how does Calhoun come to Rutgers (get another degree) and just walk away like this?

Barchi should ban her from campus
 

richthedentist

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Fortunately our AD doesn’t pay attention to dopey fans.

42 wins in 2 years. Still one of the best recruiters in the country, that plays in an antiquated arena , with a crappy fan base.
She is not one of the best recruiters in the country and that is why we have had to rely on JUCO's and for many of the past few years we have not even had a full squad of scholarship players. She also doesn't develop alot of those so called 5 star players. As Loyal said now would be a great time for her to make a graceful record. She has done wonderful and great things here but if you consider paying her one of the top salaries in the country and making the first round of the NCAA's a success well then I guess she is the coach for you. If I am paying what she is getting paid than nothing less than the sweet sixteen would be a success to me.
 

Abro1975

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She is not one of the best recruiters in the country and that is why we have had to rely on JUCO's and for many of the past few years we have not even had a full squad of scholarship players. She also doesn't develop alot of those so called 5 star players. As Loyal said now would be a great time for her to make a graceful record. She has done wonderful and great things here but if you consider paying her one of the top salaries in the country and making the first round of the NCAA's a success well then I guess she is the coach for you. If I am paying what she is getting paid than nothing less than the sweet sixteen would be a success to me.


You continue to be a hater, duly noted. Glad Hobbs isn't as short sighted and as hateful as you.

Where were you when we closed out the season w 4 wins. You are a phony and a fraud as an RU W BB fan. And everyone here knows it.

Go find another team to root for. I hear UConn has room for one more on their bandwagon.
 

MADHAT1

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I am not sure there is a direct correlation between the 2018 NJ Taxes I just filed and the Athletic Scholarships that students receive, but how does Calhoun come to Rutgers (get another degree) and just walk away like this?
It's the chances programs take when they bring in transfers.
A college sports program can bring in a transfer , have that player sit a year due to transfer rules and be eligible to play for the team the next season.
While there graduate and then transer to another school to play for them as a grad transfer.
Basically being on scholarship 2 years to play one.

As for taxes and scholarships , that has been brought up many times on this board and shown to be a very minor part of what you pay in NJ taxes .
(from 2018)
Rutgers athletics tax dollars | TheKnightReport.net
>State subsidy of RU athletics between 1/100 and 2/100 of 1% of total state budget (~.00018%~)

Individual taxpayer burden of RU athletics significantly lower than that percentage, since not all state revenues are from income or sales tax.<
>I remember somebody on here ran the numbers and I think they came up with ~ $.24 as the bill for those who pay taxes.

And with that number we were told to throw a quarter at the complainers and say, "I got it for you, keep the change."<
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/rutgers-athletics-tax-dollars.122003/
 

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Just awful. How does Buffalo have better players than us? Very poor performance by us. I guess the loss of 4 players from the team took its toll. 5 if you count KK. Oh and no Stringer. Is there a curse on our program?
we have not had a dominant go-to player in years, we tend to get fast school yard type players. very rare can CVS lure a good shooter here because of her mindset of pressing defenses, that game went out years ago
 
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Calhoun quit the team earlier this week

What a joke

Has anyone ever heard of a player quitting an NCAA team the week before the opening round?

How do you look at yourself in the mirror?

Unless it was something crazy that made her feel obligated to quit - than how can the person responsible look THEMSELVES in the mirror?

And what do her teammates say to her next time they see each other?
Agree! I can't understand it.
 
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CVS is a HOF coach and has done great things here and no one can deny that. Looking back over the years all our teams have two things in common - defense is the strong point and offense is the weak point. As the women's game has evolved and become more athletic and more offense oriented this has become more of an issue. We have heard for number of years that CVS is going to change her philosophy and while she may be trying, I don't know if we have seen an impactful difference.

There comes a point, no matter the career, when it's time to step aside. Given her age and new health issues perhaps it is time for a graceful exit and fond farewell and expression of thanks from the RU community. Just an opinion.
Agree with everything.
 

newwavedave1

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How many years has the team been forced to play without a full roster of scholarship players? Injuries, suspensions, kicked off/quitting the team are recurring problems. The lack of emphasis on 3pt shooters has also not allowed us to get over the hump.
 

AreYouNUTS

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Pretty much - how many players can you lose and still be at your best?

Until I saw the game I didn't know Calhoun quit.

I did not - contrary to some other comments - think their performance was particularly awful. .

REALLY? So you don’t find losing by 11, after being up by 12 (late in the 3rd IIRC), and being outscored by 13 in the fourth quarter, “particularly awful”?? Let me guess: you’re a fan of “participation trophies,” too, lol??

Anyway what’s even worse is that I was in a Hoboken bar packed with people watching the NCAA men’s tournament and they actually put two TVs, out of maybe 30, on our game when we were up in the third quarter. I knew a bunch of alumni who happened to be in the bar, as well, and watching what transpired over the next half hour - with other people who either are not Scarlet Knights - or are just typical New Jerseyans who like to rip on our athletic programs - made it even worse. That was, in a word, pathetic.
 

AreYouNUTS

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Wait...someone QUIT the team before our NCAA tournament appearance? SMDH

I’d love to hear the defenders on this one.
 

APKnight

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Wait...someone QUIT the team before our NCAA tournament appearance? SMDH

I’d love to hear the defenders on this one.

Yes, it was Sierra Calhoun, the graduate transfer from Ohio State. Apparently she wants to focus on her future basketball career, ideally in the WNBA. Good luck with that, based on her stats this year. But you never know. Stranger things have happened.
 

RUClassof67

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The worst part is Buffalo has 7 freshmen on its roster, and we lose a boatload of players to graduation. I fear what next year will be like.
Not picking on you specifically but we heard this exact same comment last year “Tyler is gone; where is the scoring going to come from?” We found out that it was not as dismal as many thought it would be. These same folks are criticizing an NCAA appearance when they were predicting that we wouldn’t have even a .500 record. Guess you need to criticize something when you’re wrong.

There are players on this team who have shown they are able to score. There are players who helped this team to wins over ranked opponents. There are players on this team who have now been through a very difficult set of circumstances and yet made it to the NCAA tournament. There are players getting ready to join (or in some cases rejoin) the team next year. It doesn’t pay to get so high after a win or so low after a loss that you lose sight of these facts. I believe the team will be better next year and once again make it to the Dance. Go ahead and tear this statement apart if you wish. We know who you are.
 

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we have not had a dominant go-to player in years, we tend to get fast school yard type players. very rare can CVS lure a good shooter here because of her mindset of pressing defenses, that game went out years ago
2 words Tyler Scaife
2 more Khaleah Copper

You need to get off that old statement that we only play on the defensive end.
 
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AreYouNUTS

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Yes, it was Sierra Calhoun, the graduate transfer from Ohio State. Apparently she wants to focus on her future basketball career, ideally in the WNBA. Good luck with that, based on her stats this year. But you never know. Stranger things have happened.

Wow. Way to turn your back on your teammates. Disgusting.

** I am not a fan, in the least bit, of football players who sit out bowl games.
 

MADHAT1

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Wait...someone QUIT the team before our NCAA tournament appearance? SMDH

I’d love to hear the defenders on this one.
Her personal choice and things like that are happening in college sports today.
Not a nice thing for the team, but sometimes [poop]
happens that the team members and coaching staff can't do nothing about.
A player deciding to transfer or move on to a different phase in their lives might be a decision
that can't be changed and not an indication something is wrong with the program.
 

AreYouNUTS

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Her personal choice and things like that are happening in college sports today.
Not a nice thing for the team, but sometimes [poop]
happens that the team members and coaching staff can't do nothing about.
A player deciding to transfer or move on to a different phase in their lives might be a decision
that can't be changed and not an indication something is wrong with the program.

Wow...you’re actually attempting to spin this??
 
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