Trup hits 53% nationally...
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the monster created by the GOP and their willingness to embrace the crazies. Well done GOP. karma.
LOL I don't think the 'establishment' has embraced him at all. I wonder if he had run as a Democrat (or Independent for that matter) if he'd be doing this well...I bet he would...he's received a lot of free PR from the media/press.
Considering the likely cross section of voters in the general is 60% Dem and 40% GOP, that means he'll end up with about 20% of the total vote in the general, plus some crossover votes from the Dems and some independents. The Democratic nominee is practically a lock. Thanks Donald.
Where does this come from? Seeing as how Republicans have been out of the Oval Office for 8 years, I'd expect their turnout to be strong or will Trump keep the establishment/religious right voters home?
The establishment hasn't embraced the 'crazies'...and supposedly there are a lot of former Dems that are switching parties to support him.
Maybe you're confused on which crazies you're talking about...are you talking about the rioting thugs from the Dems that shut down Trump's rally...those thugs supported by Soros...who is a big supporter of the Dems...those crazies?
Those "thugs" in Chicago are likely GOP operatives. Truly, it is the democrats' best interests for Trump to win the nomination.
The "establishment" kept their mouths shut while the crazies among them were playing the birth certificate game, the madrassa game, the Kenyan game. They loved all this stuff especially in the lead up to the 2012 election. they didn't have the balls to step up and distance themselves from Trump, who was then leading the birther charge. So, Trump not only brought in crazies to the GOP, he also gave the ones who were already there the power to take over the party. And here we are. Your party is now dominated by a bunch of kooks as your original post clearly demonstrates.
Those "thugs" didn't shut down the event, Trump did so that he could go on TV and carp about how thugs caused concerns about security. Were they wrong? Yes. The country would be much better served if they stayed away and let Trump and his supporters spew their ignorance and hatred for all to see.
I wouldn't say they've embraced them but I'd say they tolerated them for so long that it's now hurting them and they can't control it. They let the crazies do whatever they wanted for so long that now when they try to tell the crazies to behave the crazies say "Who are you to tell us what to do? We do what we want."
There is such a gap between the GOP establishment and the GOP voters. After losing the 2012 POTUS election the GOP did an "autopsy," which was an in depth study on why they lost. They concluded that they had to do these various things better in the future to win (one of which was court Latino voters).
Then 2016 came and according to the poll at the top of this thread, 80% of GOP voters prefer someone the GOP establishment hates (Trump or Cruz). Whose party is it? The GOP brass are virtually screaming to GOP voters "Don't vote for Trump" and yet Trump keeps winning. It's like a mutiny.
Hillary is going to win in November and it will be very interesting to see after that what the GOP does. They're so fractured that you might think they'll break into two, except nobody will want to be the ones to leave since the GOP is such an established name. It's like if the old half football / half hoops Big East was going to break into two they'd be fighting over who gets to keep the "Big East" name.
I'll bet you $1000 right now that if Trump is the nominee he'll garner more than 20% of the vote. Likely closer to 40%.
Re-read my post carefully. I didn't say 20%. I don't think he'll make it to 40%.
He can't handle college students in Chicago, but he's going to take down ISIS and make Putin tremble in his boots.
I think he'll get over 40%. A 60-40 seems to be as big a rout as it can get in the US when there's no 3rd party candidate.
I think Trump will lose but part of me feel uncomfortable saying even that because the last 6-8 months have been nothing but "Trump can't do X" followed by Trump doing X. He's been continually underestimated so it wouldn't shock me if somehow he found a way to win even though I don't see what that way could be.
I was listening to Rush Limbaugh on my way back from lunch. I can't stand him but still like to hear what's going on at the extremes.
It was weird to hear him blasting the GOP and praising Trump. Limbaugh, the rightest of the right, the biggest shill for the GOP anywhere and he was criticizing them.
He played a couple of sound bites from some show on Showtime that had some GOP insiders at a dinner. One was saying the same things that a lot of people have been saying about Trump, that he is dangerous in the way he is stirring up certain people and how he isn't polished, he isn't refined, he isn't articulate, he isn't informed, etc. They even went so far as to say that Hilary would actually be a better president, but that they would still vote GOP, even if it's Trump.
IMO, you can't be both patriotic AND blindly support somebody just because of the letter after their name. If you "know" that one is going to better than the other, but you still vote for the worst one out of party loyalty, then you are placing party over country and I don't see how that can be considered patriotic.
It was weird to hear him blasting the GOP and praising Trump. Limbaugh, the rightest of the right, the biggest shill for the GOP anywhere and he was criticizing them.
He played a couple of sound bites from some show on Showtime that had some GOP insiders at a dinner. One was saying the same things that a lot of people have been saying about Trump, that he is dangerous in the way he is stirring up certain people and how he isn't polished, he isn't refined, he isn't articulate, he isn't informed, etc. They even went so far as to say that Hilary would actually be a better president, but that they would still vote GOP, even if it's Trump.
IMO, you can't be both patriotic AND blindly support somebody just because of the letter after their name. If you "know" that one is going to better than the other, but you still vote for the worst one out of party loyalty, then you are placing party over country and I don't see how that can be considered patriotic.
Trump had no choice but to shut it down. Had he not it would have gotten ugly. Further reports makes it clear that the protest was organize and large, and very hostile.
What I'm afraid might happen is we get to a general election with Hillary and Trump that is marred with each side not being able to do a rally or an event because supporters of the other side will come in and disrupt things. Right now it's just Trump vs other Republicans and the disruptors likely aren't supporters of Cruz, Rubio or Kasich, but if it's down to Hillary and Trump and the Trump rallies keep getting disrupted then you know Trump supporters are going to start disrupting Hillary rallies and it's going to get out of control.
Along the same lines as your post (what makes a person decide who they are voting for): I can understand the rationale for someone selecting a candidate because they think that candidate is best for them personally and maybe even to the point they make that selection based on personal benefit versus which candidate is best for the country. To that person, maybe the most important issue to them is finances, religion, other personal value, etc. I do understand that thinking.
What I really don't understand in this election is the "religious right" choosing Trump. He is not "pro life", he really isn't religious, he displayed that by using the term "two Corinthians", his language towards Mexicans, Muslims and women, his use of foul language in public, his inciting violence and his general disrespectful attitude toward other people. I don't get it. If you are claiming you vote based on religious principles and typically vote Republican and you are voting for Trump in this election, your religion is deeply flawed and you are clearly voting party.
I'm guessing most people who support him, religious right and others, simply fall for his blind confidence.
Don't forget that he's been married three times and cheated on at least one of his wives. It is interesting how Trump gets a good chunk of the evangelical vote. I think part of it might just be frustration with the GOP establishment so they want to pick an outsider. It's like they know whoever they want to win won't win so they'll try to vote in whoever the establishment doesn't want to win instead.
I've got a different view than most, I guess. I don't vote down party lines (which would be difficult to do without a party anyway), and I also consider the country as a whole instead of just what's best for me. (there are limits to that, I'm sure) I've never served, but have spent most of my career around the military and supporting the military. If they are willing to give their lives and everything else that goes along with serving for the betterment of the country, then an extra 3% in taxes from me doesn't seem like too much to ask.
Quite a few disinfranchized Dems supporting him as well. You all seem to think it's the kook fringe and while I'm sure that's a sizable percentage, there are a lot of Dems who support him. This stems from the establishment on both sides but also because Hillary is an abysmal candidate in and of herself. A lot of people are not liking her for various reasons but chief among them, at least with the women I've spoken to who don't like her is that they don't feel she represents them as women. They don't like the victimization mentality **** she preaches, and moreover they don't want someone mired in what will likely see her indicted and rightfully so.
Funny how the Libs forget about their own resident kook on their side of the isle...Ole Bern is in a kook class all to himself...and he's giving ole Hillary everything she can handle.
If Trump hadn't gone so far right with some of his statements I think Trump would actually have a decent chance to beat Hillary. Trump was getting a lot of votes in the GOP primaries even though he had a history of being in favor of doing some things that appeal to Dems.
But has said so many crazy far right things by now that I think he's going to have a hard time going back to the middle during the general election campaign. I think there is a sizable chunk of people in the middle that he might have had a chance to appeal to but that he lost with his incessant wackiness.
That is why I say Trump's not a racist when people claim he is. They're looking at the last few months but Trump has been famous and vocal for decades and he hasn't said racist stuff. He's not racist but he is quick to appeal to racism to get votes (and maybe by some definitions that would make him racist, albeit indirectly).
One thing I'm a little surprised at is how more of Trump's comments over the past 30 years are dragged up and discussed. Unlike most politicians that are politicians forever so you never know what they think, Trump was giving opinions left and right for years before he ever went into politics and so whatever he said then is likely what he really though.
I believe that you're starting to feel yourself what I've been feeling for years in that I just can't bring myself to pull the lever for either candidate when the general elections roll around.
My position hasn't made sense to many ("you're throwing away your vote") if they believe me at all ("it's obvious you've voted for Obama both times and you're just lying"), but with this year REALLY accentuating the lesser of two evil scenario, people may start to understand.
No, to be honest, in the general, I could stomach the other 3. Actually, I could campaign for Kasich. With the upcoming, he looks out of the mix though, so if I'm forced to choose between Trump and a should be felon, I'm probably going Gary Johnson.
Yeah, that's not really what I meant. I would vote for Kasich if he made it there, but it's looking less and less like he will. As an independent I don't get a vote in primaries so I have to wait for the general election. I can't stomach Trump or Cruz or Clinton, I don't like Rubio for a few reasons, and although I like some of what Bernie is trying to do, I don't think he'll be able to do any of it.
I voted for Gary Johnson last election.
Bernie was already that far left. Hilary has gone a little left to placate the outer wing as politicians have to do in primaries.
Re. Trump, maybe saying he went too far right isn't the right way to say it. Maybe a better way is to say he went too far crazy. Mexicans are rapists, don't let any Muslims in the country, etc. There are lots of people that stuff like that turns off regardless of their politics.
Suppose Trump did get elected. He is already hated around the world from this campaign. The US would have some major diplomacy to do just to get things back to how they are now.