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morgousky

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If they continue to lose they can go to the NIT. I don't think there's an "NIT crowd", I just think non pumpers see a bit of danger ahead if we don't turn it around. Lose tonight, you've got auburn next. That's potentially 4 straight losses, and with a team this young that can be devastating. They might not recover.

I never thought NIT as a possibility until it was a possibility. Now it's a crowd of crying losers right?
 
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JBHolmesfan

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kev69 said:
That all sounds great JB, but I would prefer to start winning games again.
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Well, me too. From reading this board you’d think we have no shot to make the tournament and are one of the worst teams in the nation.
 
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JBHolmesfan

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morgousky said:
If they continue to lose they can go to the NIT. I don't think there's an "NIT crowd", I just think non pumpers see a bit of danger ahead if we don't turn it around. Lose tonight, you've got auburn next. That's potentially 4 straight losses, and with a team this young that can be devastating. They might not recover.

I never thought NIT as a possibility until it was a possibility. Now it's a crowd of crying losers right?
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If we tank to end the season, sure we could be on the bubble, but right now we’re not even close to the bubble. My point was there’s some posters on here that think we need a miracle to make the tournament.
 
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morgousky

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JBHolmesfan said:
If we tank to end the season, sure we could be on the bubble, but right now we’re not even close to the bubble. My point was there’s some posters on here that think we need a miracle to make the tournament.
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Nah we aren' there yet. Who thinks we need a miracle to make the tournament?
 
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CatOfDaVille

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JBHolmesfan said:
Here are some numbers for you:

RPI: 14
SOS: 6
Opponent SOS: 10
4 top 50 RPI wins
1 loss to non top 50 RPI

I'm finding it hard to believe that that is a resume for a team destined for the NIT. That doesn't even seem like a resume that would even be on the bubble.
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Because it's not a NIT resume. That's the resume of a 5 seed. To be fair, I haven't seen too many people saying we're going to the NIT except for trolls.

However, if we lose 5 or 6 more games, that resume starts to look a lot more NITish.

We win more than we lose the rest of the way, and we're fine.
 
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mdlUK.1

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JBHolmesfan said:
Well, me too. From reading this board you’d think we have no shot to make the tournament and are one of the worst teams in the nation.
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Vandy made the ncaat with 15 losses last season. And the SEC is expected to get more teams in this year.
 
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I can imagine a scenario that would lead to the NIT so that makes me nervous regardless of its likelihood.

If you can’t imagine that scenario yourselves then your glasses most definitely have a blue tint.

To say it’s not possible is akin to burying your head in the proverbial sand.
 
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mdlUK.1

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BlueBomb said:
I can imagine a scenario that would lead to the NIT so that makes me nervous regardless of its likelihood.

If you can’t imagine that scenario yourselves then your glasses most definitely have a blue tint.

To say it’s not possible is akin to burying your head in the proverbial sand.
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Of course it’s possible but not very likely. So I’m not going to worry about it until it is likely.
 
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Blue Wildcat

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Have to win 20 games minimum. Anything less and we are clearly on the bubble. Resume so far meets the criteria to avoid the Not In Tournament tournament-We’ll make it IMO as a 5/6 seed.
 
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Mojocat_rivals48469

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It's not close to an NIT resume. But here's the key: even if we as predicted go 3-4 down the stretch and don't win any of the remaining road games, it's still not an NIT resume. What it is is a case of people being so familiar with their own team, watching every second of every game, and being intimately familiar with every flaw (and throw in a measure of frustration/pissed off-ness over the losing), and suddenly you have proclamations of "NIT!!". People I think are both unfamiliar with what true bubble teams look like this year and also have in mind some historical idea of what "an NCAA team looks like", and haven't adjusted that for the current era where the game is simply watered down.

Put all that together and you have some silly claims about UK going to the NIT......
 
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BigBlueFanGA

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JBHolmesfan said:
Here are some numbers for you:

RPI: 14
SOS: 6
Opponent SOS: 10
4 top 50 RPI wins
1 loss to non top 50 RPI

I'm finding it hard to believe that that is a resume for a team destined for the NIT. That doesn't even seem like a resume that would even be on the bubble.
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The very real danger is a losing conference record. None of your stats will overcome that. I think we'll go .500 or better but if we don't, we won't get an invitation - and we shouldn't get one.
 
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kevcat

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JBHolmesfan said:
Well, me too. From reading this board you’d think we have no shot to make the tournament and are one of the worst teams in the nation.
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There’s always a few that envision the worst case scenario. That’s always going to be the case when you’re dealing with the volume of fans that we have. Nothing really unusual about that.

People have different ways of looking at things. Some are always optimistic no matter whether they have reason to be or not.

Some people have a realistic view of what they see.

Some are on the pessimistic side.

And there’s some who always see and expect the worst.

This has always been the case. It’s just seems different because of social media now.
 
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RonEJones

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It's hard to count out any Calipari coached UK team. Even the NIT season - who knows what could have happened had Noel, our best player on a young shaking team, hadn't blow his knee. We have looked dead in the water with the Brandon Knight and Fab Fresh team, only to get hot and go to the FF.

However, this team has inherit issues on both offense and defense that need correction soon.
 
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kevcat

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JBHolmesfan said:
If we tank to end the season, sure we could be on the bubble, but right now we’re not even close to the bubble. My point was there’s some posters on here that think we need a miracle to make the tournament.
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Look JB, I think we win our remaining 3 home games and we get a road win also, probably at A&M or Arkansas. So we’ll be 6 or 7 seed.
 
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Blue Wildcat

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RonEJones said:
It's hard to count any Calipari coached UK team. Even the NIT - who knows what could have happened had Noel, our best player on a young shaking team, hadn't blow his knee. We have looked dead in the water with the Brandon Knight and Fab Fresh team, only to get hot and go to the FF.

However, this team has inherit issues on both offense and defense that need correction soon.
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Tournament offers something to play for. Excitement level is different than regular season. We get a renewed sense of urgency-no different than many of the Cinderella teams that make it several rounds..
 
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We aren’t winning the next two for sure, four losses in a row this late in the season is hard to recover from. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if UK loses out.

We aren’t making the tournament, he’ll if UK loses out and finishes 17-14 then they may not even make the NIT.
 
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Blue Wildcat

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Wolves198921 said:
We aren’t winning the next two for sure, four losses in a row this late in the season is hard to recover from. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if UK loses out.

We aren’t making the tournament, he’ll if UK loses out and finishes 17-14 then they may not even make the NIT.
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We aren’t losing the rest of our games..that’s nonsense.
 
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kevcat

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Wolves198921 said:
We aren’t winning the next two for sure, four losses in a row this late in the season is hard to recover from. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if UK loses out.

We aren’t making the tournament, he’ll if UK loses out and finishes 17-14 then they may not even make the NIT.
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This is shocking to read. You’re usually the eternal optimist.

Go out and buy a case of

....and I think it will get you to be optimistic.
 
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*CatinIL*

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It would feel better if the CATS start winning again and didn't give the NCAAT selection committee anything to think about. I don't know how many times I hear it said on selection day that a team was left out of the NCAAT because of how they played down the final stretch of the season.
 
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The_Answer1313_rivals

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TBH the people saying NIT aren't saying as of now we are an NIT team. They are projecting it based on our remaining schedule.

And while they are right that we will be underdogs in lots of our remaining games where they are going wrong is they are basically projecting the worst possible senario.
 
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morgousky

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The_Answer1313 said:
TBH the people saying NIT aren't saying as of now we are an NIT team. They are projecting it based on our remaining schedule.

And while they are right that we will be underdogs in lots of our remaining games where they are going wrong is they are basically projecting the worst possible senario.
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I would think you of all people wouldn't call it projection, you'd call it factual in nature because that's the reality the numbers suggest.

Can't have it both ways.
 
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caneintally

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LOL we ain't going to the NIT . Are you watching basketball today? there are teams who will be 2-3 seed who will end up with 8-9 losses. You would literally have to be paying zero attention to basketball this season to think we are an NIT team.
 
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Whatsup

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We will be in the dance. We will make a good showing, my heart tells me. It’s really up to the team after that. Play me basketball may be one and done. Play as a team the sky is the limit. Love Cal and our team but me not betting no money. Hope springs eternal BBN.
 
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KyFaninNC

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We will be in the dance. We will make a good showing, my heart tells me. It’s really up to the team after that. Play me basketball may be one and done. Play as a team the sky is the limit. Love Cal and our team but me not betting no money. Hope springs eternal BBN.
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Agree with everything you said. Not sure where you find this hope after watching this team lately.
 
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Ugoff

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The resume looks good right now, but as we've seen, the committee will use whatever metrics or mental gymnastics they need to use in order to justify their decisions. Frankly that Tim Higgins' bullcrap makes me nervous.
 
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The_Answer1313_rivals

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morgousky said:
I would think you of all people wouldn't call it projection, you'd call it factual in nature because that's the reality the numbers suggest.

Can't have it both ways.
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lol no. It doesn't work out like that.

Everything is just a projection. So we might be underdogs in a bunch of upcoming games, but that doesn't mean we can't win any of them.

I would never say "welp we are predicted to win by X so 100% we gonna win by that amount". It doesn't work like that.

Without getting politcal it's like when projection sites gave Clinton a 70% chance of winning. Welp Trump won and people were like wtf......how can you be so wrong.

They don't understand they projection wasn't wrong. They still had Trump winning 30% of the time. This just happened to be one of those times the 30% happened.

The numbers suggest what a team does on average. Teams play well some days and bad other days.

You can only get so far by looking at the numbers.

But some look at that and say well why bother looking at the numbers at all.....and that's where I think the non number people go wrong. You could learn a lot by looking at the numbers.
 
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The_Answer1313_rivals

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What these NIT people are doing is looking at our upcoming games and automatically concluding we'll lose all of the underdog games. That's just most likely not correct. They are ignoring that outside of the Auburn game, the lines are going to be close in the majority of them.

The odds of us losing all the underdog games is slim.

Futhermore, even if we lost them all they fail to consider what other teams are doing. We could drop them all and still be comfortable in the tournament.
 
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