This thread is for illegal immigrants
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So we have illegals that come over the border with AIDS and Tuberculosis, and the a sshole democrats wanted us to have vaccine passports? Democrats are morons.
Do folks care that immigrants commit a disproportionately low crime rate when compared to citizens? Does that factor into any of this for you all? Just curious.
Also, no one is going to argue we should deport undocumented people who commit crimes. Well im not.
But what you are going to get push back on, is suspending habeas corpus. Denying people their rights is not going to fly with me.
Also, no one is going to argue we should deport undocumented people who commit crimes. Well im not.
But what you are going to get push back on, is suspending habeas corpus. Denying people their rights is not going to fly with me.
I don't think there's disagreement on your first point...that point has been made multiple, multiple times.
The point the "other side" makes is that the undocumented individuals committing the crimes should not have been let into the country to begin with. And if they were not here, the crimes would not have been committed.
No matter which side you're on, it's hard to disagree with either of these.
I personally know someone whos a political refugee. If we deport them they will be tortured in prison for the rest of their lives because they dared to criticize the government.
Their permanence hearing has been rescheduled for 10 years....
Anyways, can we just deport the undocumented when they get convicted and move on? We dont need to have a military force hurting people. We can do it sanely
Do people care that they mark illegals that are arrested as "white"? Does anyone care that only a fraction of the crime that illegals commit are reported? Do people care that despite the lower crime statistics reported throughout Chicago, that their neighborhoods feel less safe and they see more crime with their own eyes? Does anyone care that the crimes committed be illegals are all unnecessary and should be 0%?
And i don't buy that illegals have a lower crime rate when compared to citizens. How would you know, you have no idea how many are here, so what number do you put in the denominator on your ratio's? You have no idea how many have aids. You have no idea how many have tuberculosis. You have no idea how many commit fraud. You have no idea how many vote. You have no idea because they are not tracked.
What about the rights of citizens? Do they have a right to have the border enforced? Do they have the right to a sovereign nation? DO they have a right to have their schools only with US citizens? What about citizens rights when we go visit the doctor and illegals get seen before us?
What about the rights of citizens to live in safe neighborhoods?
I don't want to hear about denying rights to illegals. They have no rights and are not protected by the constitution. The constitution starts "We The People" that does not include people here illegally.
there's no question that our government is inefficient, and it's not just Trump's fault, it's been this way for years, decades.
We need to either enforce our laws, or change them. People can, and do, make a case for both. I'm all for changing our laws to more reflect today's reality, but trying to get that done is near to impossible in our current political environment. So we enforce the laws as they exist. And, if you are in the country illegally then you are subject to deportation...crime committed or not.
Now, the means exist to exempt some people - temporary VISA for farm workers; or construction workers; or people who have jobs, families, and have committed no crimes. But solely for political reasons we won't take it up.
As I have posted for years, we can't claim that "nobody is above the law" or "we are a nation of laws" if we just enforce those that we want and ignore those we don't.
And, I'm all for not having "a military force" hunting people. But absent the alternative - turn in undocumented people, or undocumented presenting themselves for deportation, or employers not hiring undocumented..what's the alternative? The federal government is charged with enforcing immigration laws. It would be nice if all of law enforcement contributed to that objective, but right now that's not happening.