This crap has got to be stopped

[thatsbaseball]

The subject of Tiger Woods and his relationship President Trump was brought up during a news conference Sunday following Woods’ final-round 70 at The Northern Trust.
Woods did his best to avoid being partisan or provocative when asked the following question:
“At times, especially 2018, I think a lot of people, especially colored immigrants are threatened by him and his policy — what do you say to people who might find it interesting that you have a friendly relationship with him?”...

...This guy has battled personal demons and injuries to become competitive again. Is currently (single handily) lifting golf from the doldrums and now the media is trying to drag him into their Trump frenzy. Whether you're liberal, conservative or whatever......this sucks and has no place in sports.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

I'm here to talk about golf

next question please

 

[PineGroveBully]

Yep. Saw this morning that Espn had fired Jamele Smith. She had been taken off SC a while back but they still had her working behind scenes. The CEO or president of ESPN made a statement that they were fixing to go back to much less politics. The way Espn has been a death spin for several years he should be fired for just now coming to that conclusion.

 

[engie]

The way Espn has been a death spin for several years he should be fired for just now coming to that conclusion.

Actually, he was fired without ever actually coming to that conclusion himself....

 

[PineGroveBully]

I'd rather hear them talk about Dak's johnson than hear one word of politics while enjoying sports.

I had not heard that. It's unreal the market share they have lost in the last decade and you hafta start at the top.

The only time I ever watch Espn now is occasionally Around the Horn and PTI, and actual games. I still think they do college football really well with the exception of a few of the JV commentators.

 

[BistroDollarNight]

I agree it is annoying but for better or worse trump has made himself "newsworthy" in about every facet of life that is covered by the media. It doesn't help when the president continues to insist that the media is the enemy of the people and actively works to undermine their coverage of his presidency. Not saying that anyone is wrong here because I love to use sports as a form of escapism and have even removed twitter off of my phone just to get away from the constant bombardment of political news but its just going to be this way for a while nothing we can really do about it. You are right tho, I had mostly stopped watching golf and Tiger has pulled me right back in.

 

[PineGroveBully]

He may be newsworthy but we're not watching the news. There is actually other channels for that.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Yes and what’s worse is, if tiger had stated stated support for trump, he would likely get blasted.

Why do people care who you support or don’t whether your liberal or conservative. The only famous people that I don’t support bc of their politics are the ones trying to cram it down my throat (liberal or conservative).

 

[LTblows]

She wasn’t working behind the scenes. She was given her own show to anchor - “Get Up”

 

[GloryDawg]

Yep. Saw this morning that Espn had fired Jamele Smith. She had been taken off SC a while back but they still had her working behind scenes. The CEO or president of ESPN made a statement that they were fixing to go back to much less politics. The way Espn has been a death spin for several years he should be fired for just now coming to that conclusion.

She got a big pay day from the fire and I am sure she'll land on her feet at MSNBC or HBO.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Absolutely right. Although it wasn't a "great tournament" from a competitive standpoint it provided me with the pure entertainment I am looking for when I watch sports. The thought of ANY player's political leanings never remotely crossed my mind. I hope the PGA will grow a set and not allow golf to become politicized by the players or the media. As Barney Fife would say "nip it right now".

 

[coach66]

There was a day and time when people respectfully disagreed and remained

cordial and didn't lose their minds. That day is gone right now, I hope it returns. Everyone will never agree, it's just not possible so we need to learn to respect our different view points and put god and country ahead of our own personal views.

 

[DoomSlayer]

She wasn’t working behind the scenes. She was given her own show to anchor - “Get Up”

No that was Michelle Beadle, Jemelle Hill has been working at The Undefeated, an ESPN owned site.

 

[BistroDollarNight]

I agree, but the landscape of sports and politics has aggressively changed. Just look at how Trump used the NFL to put them in an unwinnable position while giving him self a life time of cherry picking chatter to rail against the NFL their owners and the players for being unpatriotic. I'm not getting into who is right and who is wrong in that conversation but just pointing out that the media is not completely to blame in this situation. I also think it depends on the individual coverage for example I really enjoy Dan La Batard's perspective as he gives some satire with his perspective. Honestly though its like anything else and I personally have made this choice with several sports shows I use to enjoy. Just ignore them don't watch and move on. The beauty of the day and age we live in is there are a million different places to find coverage and content and undoubtedly we can all find a handful we enjoy. Thank the lord for podcast haha.

 

[tired]

cordial and didn't lose their minds. That day is gone right now, I hope it returns. Everyone will never agree, it's just not possible so we need to learn to respect our different view points and put god and country ahead of our own personal views.

That was because kids were raised better in those days. People compliment my boys quite often, tell me how good their manners are and how well-behaved they are. I appreciate it, but to me that's just normal behavior, that's how they're supposed to act.

I have friends that don't have the same viewpoints as I do, we don't go at each other's throats about it. We cordially discuss it. I'm not changing their minds and they're not changing mine, but we listen to one another. It's just a different time, and there's a few of us that are the last of the mohicans.

 

[DAWG61]

Why take the bait? Nobody is talking about the loser reporter trying to get clicks with bait questions till you start talking about him.

 

[Crazy Cotton]

Can we apply the same rule to this board, so I won't have to scroll through 45 red-hot takes about some guy kneeling on the sideline every week?

 

[Sapsdawg]

It has always been pretty bad. In the 80's my wife had a sorority sister say don't tell me you support Reagan, "I'll have to hate you." That was pretty prevalent among the far leftists at Millsaps in the 80's (and far leftism was the norm). It's probably more prevalent and more in your face today, but not by much from my vantage point.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Dawgstudent has already said any further kneeling threads will be deleted pronto, so you don't hafta worry about that.

 

[kired]

I don't think you can blame it all on kids these days (maybe you weren't... maybe you meant 100 years ago). Just what I've experienced - people in my parents generation (boomers, basically 55-75 years old) are just as bad as "kids" in their 20s.

Then you've got people somewhere in the middle like me who don't have time to even think about politics between work, kids, and sports message boards. I just know when I go out to eat with guys I work with, who are near retirement or already past it - all they talk about is politics constantly. I can't stand it.

 

[Philly Dawg]

ESPN’s struggles are explained by one thing, declining cable subscriptions due to streaming services and people cutting the chord.

 

[Mechanicaldawg]

Absolutely right. Although it wasn't a "great tournament" from a competitive standpoint it provided me with the pure entertainment I am looking for when I watch sports. The thought of ANY player's political leanings never remotely crossed my mind. I hope the PGA will grow a set and not allow golf to become politicized by the players or the media. As Barney Fife would say "nip it right now".

Couldn't help but think of this when I saw your reference to Barney Fife, thought I would share...

 

[RocketDawg]

Totally agree ... why in the world would someone ask a question like that?

 

[mstateglfr]

Looks like the reporter was trying to flush out the silent supporters.


Better to focus on golf since the guy up at the mic took a page out of Jordan's playbook and has worked to avoid political conflict for the last 3 decades.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Republicans buy sneakers too**

 

[thatsbaseball]

ESPN's "First Take" take on Tiger

"I want to say something about what Tiger Woods said now,” Kellerman stated. “It really bothers me. I’m angry at what Tiger Woods said. It is a thoughtless statement dressed up as a thoughtful statement. And it either holds in contempt the intelligence of people who hear it or else it’s just a stupid thing to say. … To say you must have respect for the office — Tiger, be clear. Are you saying that the office, therefore, confers respect on to its present temporary occupant? No. Having respect for the office means principally, in my view, is the office holder should have respect for the office.”
He continued, “We are held to a standard of behavior, we at our jobs, right, people in their daily lives. The president, if anything, is held to a higher standard of behavior. It is not such that we have such great respect for the office that no matter what the behavior of its occupant, we must respect the occupant because of the office. No. Tiger Woods … is being slick. We must respect the office therefore that confers respect to the occupant. Tiger, is that is what you are saying? If that is what you are saying, that is a stupid comment.”

 

[BossDawg78]

It doesn't help when the president continues to insist that the media is the enemy of the people and actively works to undermine their coverage of his presidency.

Well, considering Trump can't even fart without the media going ballistic and insinuating it was "racist" somehow, I'd say the media isn't exactly "friends" of the people. They are more concerned with stirring up drama than anything else, and every single time they obsessively connect dots on what Trump has done today that is "racist" or "mean", that is exactly what they do; throw more gas on the fire.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Awe naw

If the media is gonna turn on Tiger, they will take away my primary reason for hating him.

Also, trying to blast Tiger for being friends with Trump is only going to backfire.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

The days of not having politics in everything and anything you watch, see or do are over.

It has been getting more and more invasive. Started with Bush, then Obama and now Satan himself.

I have totally stopped watching ANY newscast, evening show or celebrity gathering on the boob tube.

They are going to 17 up sports now... Pretty soon I'll just be watching old movies and sitcoms on Netflix. #shouldaboughtstock

 

[thatsbaseball]

Stephen A weighs in

"So, let's understand that, Tiger Woods, that's the issue the African-American community has always had, because, obviously from a historical perspective, if one-third of you has a darker hue, a darker pigmentation, the bottom line is you are black and it is that simple. ... So, what I'm saying to you is, clearly, you are perceived as being a black man and even though you didn't want to disassociate yourself from your mother's ethnicity, who is Tai I believe, the bottom line is, that's the reason why he took that position. But black Americans haven't respected that from Tiger for quite some time. They haven't heard him speak on a plethora of issues pertaining to having a social consciousness on many, many occasions."

 

[jethreauxdawg]

What is he even trying to say? If he thinks black people have a problem with Tiger, he has been spending too much time around his elite white friends.

 

[57stratdawg]

The coverage of Trump these days centers around his campaign finance issues and which ever member of his inner circle is facing jail time.

If the media wants to run damaging info on Trump, “he’s mean” is WAY down the list.

 

[thatsbaseball]

He's taking his shot at bringing Woods down and he's too stupid to realize how badly this may backfire.

 

[Cap'n Geech]

If you are interested in this topic, here is Clay Travis being interviewed by Ben Shapiro on the issue. This came out just before the Tiger Woods Q and A.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

She got a big pay day from the fire and I am sure she'll land on her feet at MSNBC or HBO.

Don't get me started on HBO.




Good thing they have Game of Thrones, the GOT Prequel and True Detective Season 3 coming up or I would drop them.

 

[paindonthurt_]

You don’t think the media has tried to portray Donald trump as “mean” and racist?

Not sure how this whole racist thing started.

 

[mstateglfr]

Well, considering Trump can't even fart without the media going ballistic and insinuating it was "racist" somehow, I'd say the media isn't exactly "friends" of the people. They are more concerned with stirring up drama than anything else, and every single time they obsessively connect dots on what Trump has done today that is "racist" or "mean", that is exactly what they do; throw more gas on the fire.

I am continually surprised there are still people who dont realize or accept what is happening with this Trump/media relationship. To say the media is targeting Trump without fully acknowledging Trump has gone after the media since the start of his campaign is being dishonest because its only stating half of the events while ignoring the other half.
In campaign speeches, tweets(so many tweets), and off the cuff remarks, Trump has attacked the press both in general and specifically. He has called the entire media 'fake news' more times than I have the patience to count. He has accused specific journalists(many of them) of making **** up that is verifiable by the journalist. His administration is easily as combative with the press as any administration since I was born.

Like most of what he does- he is now crying foul when faced with the results of his own doing.
He is an ******* on Twitter and opine on **** you have no business opining on, and then cries foul and plays victim while he calls out the 'attackers' when he is ripped on for his comments.
He is an ******* during campaign stop speeches and then cries foul and plays the victim card when speaking about his opposition.
++He is an ******* to the media and then cries foul and accuses the media of 'fake news' when they dig into his past and call him out on his ********/hypocrisy/lies/doublespeak.++


Ive seen it claimed that this is a chicken or egg situation where nobody knows which came first- Trump attacking the media or the media's obsession with painting Trump in a bad light. Sure doesnt seem to be a chicken or egg situation though. A guy started making unsubstantiated claims and over the top accusations and the media then looked into that and reported it as ********. The guy then had a tantrum over being called out for his lies and words and attacked the media for being called out.
Seems pretty easy to see which came first.

 

[mstateglfr]

I have totally stopped watching ANY newscast, evening show or celebrity gathering on the boob tube.

I didnt know McCain had died until yesterday morning when i came into work and saw something on the CNN ticker on a TV in the office.
Havent watched news in...well maybe a year, actually.
I dont miss it and still find everything out soon enough without trying.

 

[mstateglfr]

"So, let's understand that, Tiger Woods, that's the issue the African-American community has always had, because, obviously from a historical perspective, if one-third of you has a darker hue, a darker pigmentation, the bottom line is you are black and it is that simple. ... So, what I'm saying to you is, clearly, you are perceived as being a black man and even though you didn't want to disassociate yourself from your mother's ethnicity, who is Tai I believe, the bottom line is, that's the reason why he took that position. But black Americans haven't respected that from Tiger for quite some time. They haven't heard him speak on a plethora of issues pertaining to having a social consciousness on many, many occasions."

Genuinely unsure what his point is. Hopefully there was more to the comment besides this quoted section and he later made his point.
...knowing him, there is always more to say.

 

[johnson86-1]

I am continually surprised there are still people who dont realize or accept what is happening with this Trump/media relationship. To say the media is targeting Trump without fully acknowledging Trump has gone after the media since the start of his campaign is being dishonest because its only stating half of the events while ignoring the other half.
In campaign speeches, tweets(so many tweets), and off the cuff remarks, Trump has attacked the press both in general and specifically. He has called the entire media 'fake news' more times than I have the patience to count. He has accused specific journalists(many of them) of making **** up that is verifiable by the journalist. His administration is easily as combative with the press as any administration since I was born.

Like most of what he does- he is now crying foul when faced with the results of his own doing.
He is an ******* on Twitter and opine on **** you have no business opining on, and then cries foul and plays victim while he calls out the 'attackers' when he is ripped on for his comments.
He is an ******* during campaign stop speeches and then cries foul and plays the victim card when speaking about his opposition.
++He is an ******* to the media and then cries foul and accuses the media of 'fake news' when they dig into his past and call him out on his ********/hypocrisy/lies/doublespeak.++


Ive seen it claimed that this is a chicken or egg situation where nobody knows which came first- Trump attacking the media or the media's obsession with painting Trump in a bad light. Sure doesnt seem to be a chicken or egg situation though. A guy started making unsubstantiated claims and over the top accusations and the media then looked into that and reported it as ********. The guy then had a tantrum over being called out for his lies and words and attacked the media for being called out.
Seems pretty easy to see which came first.

The media was **** well before Trump declared he was running for office. IF they don't want to be treated like incompetent hacks working against the interest of the american people, then they should try to not be incompetent hacks working against the interest of the american people. We could really, really use a professional journalist class, but unfortunately, we have the *** clowns we have. Trump would have never sniffed the presidency if we had a respectable journalism industry and probably wouldn't have been competitive for the nomination.