Things I noticed in box score (2ND HALF)....

[Greene Rice FIG]

I missed the 1st 53 seconds of the 2nd half (mistimed start, making myself desert)

I saw Thiam played 1 minuted in 2nd half. Did he start 2nd half?
Laurent DNP 2nd half
Sa 2 minutes in 2nd half
Gettys 16 minutes in 2nd half!
Freeman 17 minutes
Sanders 18 minutes
14 OREB in 2nd half compared to 14 MD DREB..50-50 ball
3-12 from FT forgetting Shaq's 2
20 points allowed in 1st 7:52
13 points allowed in last 11:08

Trimble 17 minutes

Looking at 1st half
22 points allowed in 1st 17 minutes
12 points allowed in last 3 minutes

Put it together
32 points allowed in 10:52 middle part of game
35 points allowed in 29:08 begining and end

Yes. MD knocked down shots, but we broke down defensively...didn't see 1st 4 points in half 2

 

[mikefla]

I think MDs talent kicked in. By the 2nd half they knew we only had 4 guys producing(Corey, Nigel, Gettys & Freeman) & the entire rest of our team couldnt hit the side of a barn on O.

That allowed them to guard Cory more, not work so hard on D and push the ball up fast.

Our starting four was just spent IMO

 

[goru7]

I missed the 1st 53 seconds of the 2nd half (mistimed start, making myself desert)

I saw Thiam played 1 minuted in 2nd half. Did he start 2nd half?
Laurent DNP 2nd half
Sa 2 minutes in 2nd half
Gettys 16 minutes in 2nd half!
Freeman 17 minutes
Sanders 18 minutes
14 OREB in 2nd half compared to 14 MD DREB..50-50 ball
3-12 from FT forgetting Shaq's 2
20 points allowed in 1st 7:52
13 points allowed in last 11:08

Trimble 17 minutes

Looking at 1st half
22 points allowed in 1st 17 minutes
12 points allowed in last 3 minutes

Put it together
32 points allowed in 10:52 middle part of game
35 points allowed in 29:08 begining and end

Yes. MD knocked down shots, but we broke down defensively...didn't see 1st 4 points in half 2

Issa was put in at the last 50 ssecnds and essentially a DNP. Laurent however did play for a short sequence in the second half and managed to lose their freshman Heurter , who hit 2 open threes as part of the run when they took it from 38-35 to 54-38. As I mentioned in another thread we basically only played 5 bad defensive possessions all game. The Melo three where Corey lost him and the Gill three at the first half buzzer when Diallo did not get out to him , had them up 34-29 at half instead of our being up 1 at the half. Then the 2 open threes mentioned above where Laurent lost his man and a Brantley three where Corey left him alone and could not recover in time , which occurred during their one spurt of the night. An absolute shame , as the defense for about 37 minutes was outstanding.

 

[RutgHoops]

I missed the 1st 53 seconds of the 2nd half (mistimed start, making myself desert)

I saw Thiam played 1 minuted in 2nd half. Did he start 2nd half?
Laurent DNP 2nd half
Sa 2 minutes in 2nd half
Gettys 16 minutes in 2nd half!
Freeman 17 minutes
Sanders 18 minutes
14 OREB in 2nd half compared to 14 MD DREB..50-50 ball
3-12 from FT forgetting Shaq's 2
20 points allowed in 1st 7:52
13 points allowed in last 11:08

Trimble 17 minutes

Looking at 1st half
22 points allowed in 1st 17 minutes
12 points allowed in last 3 minutes

Put it together
32 points allowed in 10:52 middle part of game
35 points allowed in 29:08 begining and end

Yes. MD knocked down shots, but we broke down defensively...didn't see 1st 4 points in half 2

Saw us in person so I caught the 2nd half in its entirety. :sunglasses:

Thiam enterred in the last minute as we needed a shooter.
I'm pretty sure Laurent played in the 2nd half. Huerter destroyed everyone he was up against (Laurent, Eugene, MW).
I thought Gettys was our best player last night.
The Freeman/Sa point....those minutes were based on merit...i'll leave it there.
Sanders has to play 36 minutes a game. Its why those lamenting the PG we signed are not watching. We needed Alvarado. Didn't get him. If the staff feels the JuCo kid was the next best option than good for us. Corey got gassed last night. And Coach P has nowhere to go when he's out.
We were very good again on the glass. A couple balls fell out of our hands, bounced wrong, were missed in the 2nd half. Plus as you mentioned in your minutes, Gettys and Freeman played constantly so they may have been a bit gassed themselves. But we were where we were supposed to be in the rebounding department. Numbers may not tell the whole story there.
Maryland ran a brilliant set out of the half and then knocked down a three off an RU turnover on the second possession. Bounced the lead from, I believe, 5 to 10 in a blink.

With all the crap free throw shooting and continuing offensive challenges, if you take out the last shot of the 1st half + those two plays to start the 2nd half, we played an 18-2 UMD team pretty even. If my aunt had balls.....

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Greene

RIght know EVERYONE is harping on the outside shooting and foul shooting problems (and it is a problem)....

But despite this problem.....we are getting NOTHING on offense from the SF spot. Nothing.

This is as much of a killer on offense as the shooting percentage...and maybe more

We add a JUCO SF to next years team capable of 12 ppg on 40% 3 pt shooting in 27 minutes a game....its worth 3-4 games to us next year...even without Gettys

Watch how defense are cheating on the SF spot in the half court and how it killing spacing to penetrate and post up....

 

[goru7]

Greene

RIght know EVERYONE is harping on the outside shooting and foul shooting problems (and it is a problem)....

But despite this problem.....we are getting NOTHING on offense from the SF spot. Nothing.

This is as much of a killer on offense as the shooting percentage...and maybe more

We add a JUCO SF to next years team capable of 12 ppg on 40% 3 pt shooting in 27 minutes a game....its worth 3-4 games to us next year...even without Gettys

Watch how defense are cheating on the SF spot in the half court and how it killing spacing to penetrate and post up....

 

[goru7]

Greene

RIght know EVERYONE is harping on the outside shooting and foul shooting problems (and it is a problem)....

But despite this problem.....we are getting NOTHING on offense from the SF spot. Nothing.

This is as much of a killer on offense as the shooting percentage...and maybe more

We add a JUCO SF to next years team capable of 12 ppg on 40% 3 pt shooting in 27 minutes a game....its worth 3-4 games to us next year...even without Gettys

Watch how defense are cheating on the SF spot in the half court and how it killing spacing to penetrate and post up....

Very true. But I thought our spacing last night was terrible except for some early sets in the first half. Nigel and Corey and the threes have to be out on the wings and slash towards the hoop when Corey or Nigel are driving. It was all clogged up with the guards and forwards too close to one another. Corey would have 5-8 assists if someone could knock down a shot when he passes out. MIKE has become spooked and is not ready or willing to shoot. He has to be brought back and his confidence raised by Coach. Give him the green light to launch upon first look even if early in the shot clock. We need him badly. Same with Laurent and Issa if they ever get back on the court.

 

[richthedentist]

that is the problem when Corey drives he has no one to dish to; if we had any shooters he would be have about 5 more assists per game

 

[RUChoppin]

We add a JUCO SF to next years team capable of 12 ppg on 40% 3 pt shooting in 27 minutes a game....its worth 3-4 games to us next year...even without Gettys.

Yeah, let's just do that. There are so many of them out there it's really a matter of deciding *which* one we want.

 

[bac2therac]

again the same problem as other games, too many players contributing nothing. You cant have just 3 or 4 players doing something on offense., You need role players and our bench is doing nothing right now. Plus we cant see to get a night where all 3 guards have a good game and to win in this league RU will need that...last night it was Williams, some nights its Nigel. Corey was shut down in the 2nd half. I think we are going to see these adjustments made more and more in the 2nd half. Nebby didnt have the players to do it, Maryland and Turgeron did a great job adjusting. RU will need guys like Mike and Thiam to set step up and our no show backup center position. Doorson to me is a huge disappointment, not even getting minutes

 

[bac2therac]

Yeah, let's just do that. There are so many of them out there it's really a matter of deciding *which* one we want.

next year is going to be very similar to this year and remember the non conference schedule figures to be a bit tougher. Going to need to catch lighting in a bottle with a JUCO or 5th year signee...I really am concerned at the center spot given the players coming back

 

[higgins3]

next year is going to be very similar to this year and remember the non conference schedule figures to be a bit tougher. Going to need to catch lighting in a bottle with a JUCO or 5th year signee...I really am concerned at the center spot given the players coming back

Next year will not be different than this year unless Sanders leaves. If he does, and I don't see why he would, we would be better next year.

Diallo will fill in fine for Gettys. Gettys right now is giving us 8 and 5. Diallo next year, given those minutes, and his patience with his hands, will be able to give 6 and 6. Not a huge difference.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I think it is more than not getting anything out of the Laurent/Eugene/Thiam 3 spot.

Mid major schools and some major schools don't have the luxury of recruiting a prototype 3. They are finite. They end up having Mike Williams as the 3. He isn't getting looks.

The bigger issue is only 3 guards. I do think Pikiell needs to take Eugene thiam or Laurent and give them 20 minutes and green light them from the outside. Unfortunately defense may make that not possible.

 

[bac2therac]

Next year will not be different than this year unless Sanders leaves. If he does, and I don't see why he would, we would be better next year.

Diallo will fill in fine for Gettys. Gettys right now is giving us 8 and 5. Diallo next year, given those minutes, and his patience with his hands, will be able to give 6 and 6. Not a huge difference.

you have more confidence in Diallo than I do. I think Gettys is a steadying force even if he is not spectacular. Diallo is very very unproven at playing major minutes. He can play spot minutes as a role player but what will he do as a starter, I am not convinced we can plug him and give us what Getty is giving is, he does not have the width

Otherwise we need huge leaps from Eugene and Thiam no question. i think ceiling wise we are where we are with guys like Freeman, Mike and Nigel and Laurent Id still be surprised if he is here.

 

[higgins3]

you have more confidence in Diallo than I do. I think Gettys is a steadying force even if he is not spectacular. Diallo is very very unproven at playing major minutes. He can play spot minutes as a role player but what will he do as a starter, I am not convinced we can plug him and give us what Getty is giving is, he does not have the width

Otherwise we need huge leaps from Eugene and Thiam no question. i think ceiling wise we are where we are with guys like Freeman, Mike and Nigel and Laurent Id still be surprised if he is here.

He is not playing major minutes because he has someone better than him in front of him. By next year, he will start for us. And I believe with coaching from Jay Young, he will do the same as Gettys, if not better. Gettys is awesome.

Huge leaps are unrealistic and we do not need them. The team needs the same players it has on now. If Sanders left, we would have an issue. He loves the rac, the Rac loves him. I think he stays. You need growth from our current lineup. With these coaches, that will happen.

As far as ceilings, I would say you are right but those guys will probably continue to improve a little bit. I would hope they would not be the same player next year as they are now.

 

[higgins3]

I think it is more than not getting anything out of the Laurent/Eugene/Thiam 3 spot.

Mid major schools and some major schools don't have the luxury of recruiting a prototype 3. They are finite. They end up having Mike Williams as the 3. He isn't getting looks.

The bigger issue is only 3 guards. I do think Pikiell needs to take Eugene thiam or Laurent and give them 20 minutes and green light them from the outside. Unfortunately defense may make that not possible.

If they were hitting shots in practice,they would have the green light in games. Its not Pikiell not giving them the green light.

 

[RUJMM78]

Greene

RIght know EVERYONE is harping on the outside shooting and foul shooting problems (and it is a problem)....

But despite this problem.....we are getting NOTHING on offense from the SF spot. Nothing.

This is as much of a killer on offense as the shooting percentage...and maybe more

We add a JUCO SF to next years team capable of 12 ppg on 40% 3 pt shooting in 27 minutes a game....its worth 3-4 games to us next year...even without Gettys

Watch how defense are cheating on the SF spot in the half court and how it killing spacing to penetrate and post up....

I have stated numerous times that Rutgers plays 5 against four during most of the game and depending on substitutions might have only two scoring options on the floor.The small forward position must be solved going into next season .I would be satisfied with a 5th year senior who is a 3 point shooter and at least 6' 6''.Assuming players on the current squad will improve significantly is wishful thinking.

 

[RUChoppin]

Next year will not be different than this year unless Sanders leaves. If he does, and I don't see why he would, we would be better next year.

Diallo will fill in fine for Gettys. Gettys right now is giving us 8 and 5. Diallo next year, given those minutes, and his patience with his hands, will be able to give 6 and 6. Not a huge difference.

Not sure where the assumption of 6 and 6 comes from. Right now, Gettys gets 20 min and is giving us 8 and 5 (and 2.1 fouls).... while Diallo gets 10 minutes and is giving us 1.3 and 2.5 (and 1.7 fouls). Double Diallo's minutes, and we get 2.6 and 5 (and 3.4 fouls).

To get 6 and 6, he'd need to more than double his offensive production per minute while also imrpoving his rebounding. And averaging 5 fouls every 30 min of game time needs to be improved, too, or he'll never see an average of 20 min.

 

[higgins3]

Not sure where the assumption of 6 and 6 comes from. Right now, Gettys gets 20 min and is giving us 8 and 5 (and 2.1 fouls).... while Diallo gets 10 minutes and is giving us 1.3 and 2.5 (and 1.7 fouls). Double Diallo's minutes, and we get 2.6 and 5 (and 3.4 fouls).

To get 6 and 6, he'd need to more than double his offensive production per minute while also imrpoving his rebounding. And averaging 5 fouls every 30 min of game time needs to be improved, too, or he'll never see an average of 20 min.

Good point. He will have a year. And the coach will make sure he improves in the area the coach puts the most emphasis on. Unless the situation becomes worse, Diallo will be the center and asked to improve. To compare his production to Gettys brings in a ton of other variables.

 

[higgins3]

Not sure where the assumption of 6 and 6 comes from. Right now, Gettys gets 20 min and is giving us 8 and 5 (and 2.1 fouls).... while Diallo gets 10 minutes and is giving us 1.3 and 2.5 (and 1.7 fouls). Double Diallo's minutes, and we get 2.6 and 5 (and 3.4 fouls).

To get 6 and 6, he'd need to more than double his offensive production per minute while also imrpoving his rebounding. And averaging 5 fouls every 30 min of game time needs to be improved, too, or he'll never see an average of 20 min.

I am not super high on Diallo, but I have been impressed with what he has given so far. Plus, Pikiell seems to rebound by commission so it is not like Diallo will have to take the brunt of the load.

 

[bac2therac]

He is not playing major minutes because he has someone better than him in front of him. By next year, he will start for us. And I believe with coaching from Jay Young, he will do the same as Gettys, if not better. Gettys is awesome.

Huge leaps are unrealistic and we do not need them. The team needs the same players it has on now. If Sanders left, we would have an issue. He loves the rac, the Rac loves him. I think he stays. You need growth from our current lineup. With these coaches, that will happen.

As far as ceilings, I would say you are right but those guys will probably continue to improve a little bit. I would hope they would not be the same player next year as they are now.

The issue is how they improve compared to the rosters of the rest of the league. It a young league this year but all of these schools have higher rated players than us

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Greene

Mike isn't giving us any offense at the three either when he is laying the 3 in a 3 guard offense

That one spot is killing us...and teams know it and slump accordingly

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

...and that is on the guards to some extent.

Yes Mike is limited on offense. He isn't a slasher. I think/hope he can knock down enough open looks from 3.

 

[soundcrib]

Mike gets plenty of open looks. He just doesn't hit. Junior year is almost over. He is what he is. He's a hustle player now.

 

[higgins3]

The issue is how they improve compared to the rosters of the rest of the league. It a young league this year but all of these schools have higher rated players than us

The rest of the league might have more talent, but Pikiell will get there.

Also, the team is not getting mauled by most of the league. That is enough to keep one optimistic.