for success. Wish we could've set Dylan up for success in a similar simple way. Funny how our pass pro is horrid all year and you put a true frosh back there with some quicks and that whole liability becomes an afterthought by games end. TJ is gonna be nice
They set TJ up
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A mobile QB (and one that does not hold onto the ball) does a lot of wonders for an OL. Not only that, pretty sure Rhule says Dylan does a lot of pre-snap checks. Are those checks wrong or too conservative? The offense looked significantly better tonight that it did against probably any other P4 program we’ve faced this season. I doubt the coaches see TJ up for more success than Dylan. If that’s the case, we shouldn’t expect to see Dylan again in Scarlett & Cream.
The mobile part Dylan can’t do much about.the holding t the ball to long and The pre snap checks is the biggest issue. Going back to game 1 against Cincinnati on the 4th and 2 up 13-3 . Dylan checked into another play and Rhule said the original play was going to work. I agree it wasn’t set for success. TJ just didn’t change much if anything that was called.
it seems like for 3 decades all we got is wrath for trying to be pass happy
I'd like to add that next year with raiola and tj, we could have a multi dimentional beast..
lets say we are playing a team with not so great db's, then you plug raiola in with a updated nil oline
or if we are playing a team who is not so great stoping the run, then plug in lateef...
and the result of this is many things but a big thing is you don't have qb in hospital,
who got wore out trying to carry a big 10 shedual on his back.
it's a health thing too if they both want the nfl.
plus along with emmit on his way to hiesmen, the load is even lighter!
and I'm sure coach rhule and mr buffet can get er done.
they are big picture guys.
lets say we are playing a team with not so great db's, then you plug raiola in with a updated nil oline
or if we are playing a team who is not so great stoping the run, then plug in lateef...
and the result of this is many things but a big thing is you don't have qb in hospital,
who got wore out trying to carry a big 10 shedual on his back.
it's a health thing too if they both want the nfl.
plus along with emmit on his way to hiesmen, the load is even lighter!
and I'm sure coach rhule and mr buffet can get er done.
they are big picture guys.
FWIW, I think Rhule has allowed Dylan to do too much deciding. The “look” offense ala Mangino from KU for check downs did appear at times last night. TJ did what he was coached to do period. He got the job done. Let’s keep moving forward. Matched the win total from 24, let’s see if we can grab 1,2 or 3 more!
i agree. That’s why it’s my preference of a mobile QB over a statue QB.
If TJ didn’t change did change much of anything, that leads me to ask if Dylan is in his own way and his biggest obstacle to success? Does he have too much leeway? Does he go rogue? Does he not trust Dana? Just thinking out loud here.
I don’t care that it was UCLA, because I know people will use that reason to partially discredit his amazing night last night. We saw Dylan be absolute garbage against Minnesota. I firmly believe TJ changes that game in a huge way. I saw enough last night to validate to me that I like TJ over Dylan. It’s just my preference in QB style.
That will never happen. Splitting reps at QB rarely works.
this is true, alot of folks are me me me....but as we see, that ends up being a trip to the hospital...
the coaches the hc, oc, dc...their job is to make "the announcement" who's involved in a play
lets call that "ta"
then the players add the "me"
then you add the "ta" & "me" mix well, and you get "team"
this is what I mean by big picture, working smart, working together, staying healthy, stacking wins, etc...
Hopefully Dylan learns to get the ball out faster while he’s recovering
That was the best I’ve seen the team look. Run first and tough.
when Dylan is in it’s like they think the entire playbook is available, every route. And then the offense loses all rhythm and the calls look to make no sense.
did you notice them spamming run plays rather than trying to get Dylan drafted in the first round?
hopefully they can set their bias aside and make the best decision for the team. TJ is a better pilot
when Dylan is in it’s like they think the entire playbook is available, every route. And then the offense loses all rhythm and the calls look to make no sense.
did you notice them spamming run plays rather than trying to get Dylan drafted in the first round?
hopefully they can set their bias aside and make the best decision for the team. TJ is a better pilot
I agree this is the best the offense has looked all year.
The Defense is lousy still, can’t get any sacks, and can’t tackle anyone in space.
We got 3 sacks and 6 TFL?
Bad angles, couldn’t finish a lot of sacks (finished with 3 which was tied for 2nd most this season for us), couldn’t finish a lot of TFLs, so many bad bad angles (worth noting twice), so many missed tackles in space, still struggle to force turnovers. But that is what a good mobile QB brings to the table against a defense.
TJ had a day - will be interesting to see how Defenses respond now that he has a full game on tape. Bye week coming at a good time to get some guys healed up and TJ more reps with the 1’s.
Run first is our MO. It has to be. You can scheme it all you want but you have to use blunt force to stop it. Dylan offense became easy to stop - our WRs don’t separate and Dylan doesn’t throw downfield well.
We can set up more plays, more looks. Play action was awesome last night and honestly, this kid made all the throws, some better than DR. And, he didn’t hesitate to take off if it wasn’t there. In this brief instance, he is a much better QB than Dylan. We will see, like you said, once the tape is out and teams scheme
Agreed. It is a terrible, terrible idea.
Coulda woulda shoulda here but it should have been more. It’s nitpicky, but the glaring deficiencies with the defense were still on display last night. But at game 9 of the year, we are who we are.
I hear ya - but also there are few QB’s in the country who can move like Nico. Some of those missed opportunities was him just being a stud. Some of those aren’t poor play necessarily by the D but tips of the cap to Nico IMO.
Oh for sure, I don’t disagree. Given Nico’s ceiling, I think the D did pretty dang good. Being nitpicky here and a perfectionist who demands excellence, it’s a tough existence lol
157 yards rushing and 190 passing the defense gave up 348 total yards most of there offense is based around Nico if he ever gets hurt they are in worse shape than us loosing Dylan
The offense was simplified and TJ is a natural at running the RPO plays. The offensive line played very well. A lot of stuff between the tackles which also fits what Emmitt does best. Really just a great all around game plan and the QB had himself a great day.
They tackle a lot of guys in space. But that QB Iococca is spacial.
ucla last touchdown we did take bad angles missed more tackles than normal, was it due to fatigue probably some im sure the defense was happy the offense burned the last 4+ minutes left
Is he Lee’s grandkid?
To be fair, Nico is probably the best QB we faced this year with his athleticism. Put anyone else back there and we would have had far more sacks.
To answer your question. Yes I believe Dylan is his biggest obstacle to his success . Yes he had to much leeway his checks are wrong more than right. It’s not that he doesn’t trust Dana he just tries to get bigger plays that aren’t there instead of taking what the defense is giving you .
I don’t think the defense is lousy. Nico is a remarkable talent and can do it all by himself. Hes not easy to defend when he’s confident and playing his A game. Our defense is fast and our coverage is great. The only glaring issue with our defense is we have a weak front, made even weaker with a 3 man look. I think with this secondary a 4-3 or even a 5-2 would be best. Take the run away and force QBs/Wrs to make plays. Similar to what ND does.
Lateef is better at the fast blink stuff. Raiola is trying to get through every read that is in the playbook while his tackles are getting their **** packed by the defense. That's all it was
Where are these big plays? He doesn’t throw down field much, and when he does he usually doesn’t connect.
A mobile QB is invaluable. Remember the days of option football? It would still work but have to have a decent Oline and a QB and running back that are willing to take hits almost every play.
TJ looked good. But UCLAs defense isnt the barometer id use to gauge whether we have a QB controversy.
Our next 2 opponents both have incredibly talented front 7s. EJ won't be able to win the game single handily against either one. If Lateef can find a way to get a W against either, then I'll consider this a bonafide QB controversy.
Our next 2 opponents both have incredibly talented front 7s. EJ won't be able to win the game single handily against either one. If Lateef can find a way to get a W against either, then I'll consider this a bonafide QB controversy.
That makes it easier for me to choose. I’d go with the QB who takes what is available than one who isn’t.
Dylan had already lost 3 winnable games because of poor play. His INT against Michigan, his fumble against USC cost us the games. Is there a game that TJ could not have won? I mean he is a true freshman so maybe CIN would have been tough but now that he is familiar with the system and matured I really don't see any difference. Dylan's most impressive win was against CIN, where we score 21 points, and Colorado where we scored 21 on offense. A road win against UCLA, even a bad UCLA team is a big win just because the travel is tough. Dylan also costs 2 million a year against NIL. If you can save 500k or even a million by have TJ, you can bring in more talent for the lines.
I don’t know how TJ would have fared against Michigan. DR was under pressure on nearly every play, and had a pretty good game under those circumstances. 73%, 300 yds, 3 TDs. It’s been years since a QB put up those numbers against Michigan. My guess is that we lose that game more convincingly with TJ instead of DR that day.
Impossible to tell. Our game plan is actually a plan so far with TJ. With DR our gameplan is that he’s so good we can call any play, any situation. To be completely honest, I’m not impressed with DR. It would be one thing if our down field passing was even existent. It’s not, so why even use him? He doesn’t fit our team. He’s more Miami, Georgia, OSU type pro scheme