The roy unc era

[youknowit1]

Keep seeing this meme that since roy has been at unc he's dominating the ncaa tournament compared to duke. I get it he has 3 titles but what there not mentioning is he also has 6 double digit loss seasons at of 15. Is that great?

 

[TheDude1]

He also has the biggest cheating scandal in history, which gave him two titles. So... yeah.

 

[timo0402]

Who cares? The dude has had success. You can try and poo poo it all you’d like or twist numbers for or against anyone but the dude wins. I can’t stand him but do we really need to act this much like THR that we are nitpicking some meme bc he has a few double digit losses?

 

[dukiejay]

UNC has been better overall in the NCAA Tournament since Roy came to Chapel Hill. That's just something we can't really argue. Sure, they've had their 'down' years, but they also have more final fours (5-3), more national championships (3-2) and a better tournament resume than Duke.

Now, ultimately for Duke and UNC, we base most success off final fours and national championships. If Duke were to even that total at three this year or next, I'd be fine and dandy, along with the head-to-head success we had against them. But until we notch that title to match them, it's something they can hang over our heads.

But they're still cheaters.....we know it, and more importantly, they know it, too....as much as many of them will never admit it.

 

[HonkeyT]

UNC has been better overall in the NCAA Tournament since Roy came to Chapel Hill. That's just something we can't really argue. Sure, they've had their 'down' years, but they also have more final fours (5-3), more national championships (3-2) and a better tournament resume than Duke.

Now, ultimately for Duke and UNC, we base most success off final fours and national championships. If Duke were to even that total at three this year or next, I'd be fine and dandy, along with the head-to-head success we had against them. But until we notch that title to match them, it's something they can hang over our heads.

But they're still cheaters.....we know it, and more importantly, they know it, too....as much as many of them will never admit it.

And honestly most of them don’t care. If that was Duke I would be crushed because to me there is more to it than winning basketball games. I love Duke, all of it and everything it embodies.

 

[LouisiAaron]

Eff Roy Williams! When you always have a veteran team in this day of college basketball you always have a chance to win. His team continuity benefits them. Plus he holds 5-stars back. It's a smart move by him. He's still the worst game manager of timeouts I've ever seen

 

[tomcurren]

Eff Roy Williams! When you always have a veteran team in this day of college basketball you always have a chance to win. His team continuity benefits them. Plus he holds 5-stars back. It's a smart move by him. He's still the worst game manager of timeouts I've ever seen

Explain how he holds 5 star players back, please. I’ve seen this opinion before, doesn’t make sense. There’s not a single 5 star in America who’s family doesn’t have “people”. Everyone is only listening to Roy? Ignoring NBA mock drafts?
Help me understand.

 

[Showenuff]

I'll let you boys pat them on the back . 18 years of cheating, PROVEN cheating. I didn't say punished, I said PROVEN . If they didn't have that hung on them, I'd whole heartedly congratulate them. But being as it may, **** them and the horse Roy rode in on.

 

[QC Dukie]

I'll let you boys pat them on the back . 18 years of cheating, PROVEN cheating. I didn't say punished, I said PROVEN . If they didn't have that hung on them, I'd whole heartedly congratulate them. But being as it may, **** them and the horse Roy rode in on.

This x1000

 

[LouisiAaron]

Explain how he holds 5 star players back, please. I’ve seen this opinion before, doesn’t make sense. There’s not a single 5 star in America who’s family doesn’t have “people”. Everyone is only listening to Roy? Ignoring NBA mock drafts?
Help me understand.

Hold them back as far as not letting them show off their talent. Since Roy got their they have had many 5 star players. You only have 2 one and dones. Something is wrong there. Or does he only go after ones that he knows will probably stay longer?

 

[Laettner]

Roy is a great coach no doubt but K has owned Heels since 2010 and UNC fans were ready to dump Roy before 2017 title. The backlash at Roy from UNC fans after 2016 Duke loss in DD was incredible.

On our side, K needs to get it done in the NCAAT next month.

 

[ticket2ride04]

UNC has been better overall in the NCAA Tournament since Roy came to Chapel Hill. That's just something we can't really argue. Sure, they've had their 'down' years, but they also have more final fours (5-3), more national championships (3-2) and a better tournament resume than Duke.

Now, ultimately for Duke and UNC, we base most success off final fours and national championships. If Duke were to even that total at three this year or next, I'd be fine and dandy, along with the head-to-head success we had against them. But until we notch that title to match them, it's something they can hang over our heads.

But they're still cheaters.....we know it, and more importantly, they know it, too....as much as many of them will never admit it.

I think Roy is criminally underrated. Not looking to get anyone to agree with me here. But the narrative on Roy is/was:

- can't win despite having the best talent
- can't win with his own players
- wins, but its because he has the best talent
- won without the best talent, but he held back some senior guys...?

In all of his years of coaching, he's only had one NBA All-Star and that was Paul Pierce. Roy has a great system and when he fits the right players in it, its pretty awesome.

 

[peterjurkinsquirtsroywilliams]

Roy’s success has come from cheating and retaining multiple top players for 3 to 4 years. Imagine how many titles coach K would have if he had that luxury.

 

[peterjurkinsquirtsroywilliams]

I think Roy is criminally underrated. Not looking to get anyone to agree with me here. But the narrative on Roy is/was:

- can't win despite having the best talent
- can't win with his own players
- wins, but its because he has the best talent
- won without the best talent, but he held back some senior guys...?

In all of his years of coaching, he's only had one NBA All-Star and that was Paul Pierce. Roy has a great system and when he fits the right players in it, its pretty awesome.

Look at Roy’s championship teams and they consist of multiple top 10-15 recruits who stayed 3 to 4 years. He’s even had 4 or 5 top 10 players stay 3 or 4 years. I’m not saying he’s a mediocre coach, but let’s not pretend having top talent as upperclassmen hasn’t played a huge factor in his success. Imagine if Duke had Tyus, Winslow, Kennard, Hood, and Frank Jackson for 3 to 4 years. These are the type of recruits that stay as upperclassmen for Roy. Just imagine if Tyus stayed 4 years at Duke, I guarantee you K would have more titles and UNC doesn’t win it all last season.

 

[DukeDenver]

Meh, Duke is still the better school overall. Also, let's have an endowment measuring contest! Mine is bigger than yours.

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

Roy is 12-18 against Coach K. Next week at this time he will be 12-19. Maybe 2 weeks from now 12-20.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Look at Roy’s championship teams and they consist of multiple top 10-15 recruits who stayed 3 to 4 years. He’s even had 4 or 5 top 10 players stay 3 or 4 years. I’m not saying he’s a mediocre coach, but let’s not pretend having top talent as upperclassmen hasn’t played a huge factor in his success. Imagine if Duke had Tyus, Winslow, Kennard, Hood, and Frank Jackson for 3 to 4 years. These are the type of recruits that stay as upperclassmen for Roy. Just imagine if Tyus stayed 4 years at Duke, I guarantee you K would have more titles and UNC doesn’t win it all last season.

Look st the rosters K won it all with and tell me they weren’t loaded. 2010 Duke is the only one. I put ‘10 Duke along side ‘93 UNC and ‘83 State as some of the least talented teams to win it.

 

[peterjurkinsquirtsroywilliams]

Look st the rosters K won it all with and tell me they weren’t loaded. 2010 Duke is the only one. I put ‘10 Duke along side ‘93 UNC and ‘83 State as some of the least talented teams to win it.

Again, look at the upperclassmen Duke had in 2015. This is a prime example of K winning with young players. Yes, K won with some really good players back when top recruits were staying 3 or 4 years. Roy has been keeping these same players in the OAD era, hence, why he has won. Did you see Roy winning championships when teams were keeping these players multiple years? Nope.

 

[dukiejay]

Again, look at the upperclassmen Duke had in 2015. This is a prime example of K winning with young players. Yes, K won with some really good players back when top recruits were staying 3 or 4 years. Roy has been keeping these same players in the OAD era, hence, why he has won. Did you see Roy winning championships when teams were keeping these players multiple years? Nope.

Just stop.

 

[BNM79]

I think Roy is criminally underrated. Not looking to get anyone to agree with me here. But the narrative on Roy is/was:

- can't win despite having the best talent
- can't win with his own players
- wins, but its because he has the best talent
- won without the best talent, but he held back some senior guys...?

In all of his years of coaching, he's only had one NBA All-Star and that was Paul Pierce. Roy has a great system and when he fits the right players in it, its pretty awesome.

I do think Roy is underrated by some. He is very good at coaching his system.

I disagree with your last comment in the sense that you are implying he has won with limited talent. Other than the last 5 to 7years roy had more talent than duke and most every other team out there. Plus experienced talent ranked in the top 5 to 10 of their classes.

 

[TheDude1]

Look st the rosters K won it all with and tell me they weren’t loaded. 2010 Duke is the only one. I put ‘10 Duke along side ‘93 UNC and ‘83 State as some of the least talented teams to win it.

INSANITY.

2010 Duke had what... EIGHT future pros on there? It featured three guys who are maybe as close to having a jersey retired as can exist, joined by three NBA bigs and a seven foot plus mountain who was a top recruit and spent his first three years hurt.

Plus, they were one of the absolute toughest teams we've ever had at Duke, ever. EVER. Kyle alone was tougher than... nearly any Duke guy ever. Like, if his name wasn't Christian, he wasn't tougher (and yes, that includes Nate.)

I do not understand people who say that the 2010 Duke team wasn't talented. Insanity.

Explain how he holds 5 star players back, please. I’ve seen this opinion before, doesn’t make sense. There’s not a single 5 star in America who’s family doesn’t have “people”. Everyone is only listening to Roy? Ignoring NBA mock drafts?
Help me understand.

He has fed a number of them BS about their draft positions, and has also made sure to play upper class guys when everyone knows he shouldn't. Come on... Larry Drew over Butters? Ridiculous.

 

[TheDude1]

Oh, and cheating. That's all that matters. That is ALL that matters. If I played little league against a bunch of little kids, who cares how many titles I win? I'm cheating.

 

[BNM79]

Just stop.

To be fair he isn’t completely wrong. However, success is success no matter how it happens. Unless of course you cheated

 

[gottagonow]

I really think all of this Duke bashing Roy and UNCheats bashing Coach K is actually pretty silly. Both are excellent coaches and both have accomplished more probably than any other living coach. Lets just t it up and play the game.

 

[skysdad]

He's a good coach. No where near Coach K. He has been handed both jobs at blue blooded schools because of dean smith. He can't help what he is and that's a tar heel fan. He acts like a tar heel fan and it's the primary reason he comes out with such stupid things to say because that's what a tar heel fan would say. I'm talking about the Haiti tragedy, throwing one single Presbyterian fan out of the dean dome. What other coach would have done that for something so minor. I can understand if the guy was throwing stuff or using profanity. Fact is hof coach roy williams is sensitive and gets his feelings hurt a lot. Bless his little heart but he is a good coach. OFC

 

[Mac9192]

I don't think there's any doubt he's a good coach. Never did I get involved in the scandal talk, and nothing any of us say will change what has happened on the court during that time. I do realize there's a lot of guys on here that discount what has been done, but unless you live in NC, most could care less about what happened.
I believe K is better, but Roy does know what he's doing, and it's crazy to think otherwise. The reason I know he's a good coach is I wish he would retire.
I'm going to pray we kick their butts Saturday night, and for Roy to be 12-19 against K around 10:00.

 

[ticket2ride04]

I do think Roy is underrated by some. He is very good at coaching his system.

I disagree with your last comment in the sense that you are implying he has won with limited talent. Other than the last 5 to 7years roy had more talent than duke and most every other team out there. Plus experienced talent ranked in the top 5 to 10 of their classes.

You kind of missed my point. Roy detractors kept moving the goal posts to justify why he wasn’t a good coach.

At the end of the day, both programs are blessed to have all-time greats at the helm.

 

[Showenuff]

But one cheats alot.

 

[topps coach]

Just stop.

Why he is making valid points

 

[peterjurkinsquirtsroywilliams]

Why he is making valid points

Thanks Topps. I never stated Roy was a bad coach. My point was simple, Roy has benefited from keeping top rated recruits as upperclassmen, while the likes of other schools weren’t. Roy has created success by utilizing experience top rated players.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Thanks Topps. I never stated Roy was a bad coach. My point was simple, Roy has benefited from keeping top rated recruits as upperclassmen, while the likes of other schools weren’t. Roy has created success by utilizing experience top rated players.

So K hasn’t benefited from talented upperclassmen?

 

[peterjurkinsquirtsroywilliams]

So K hasn’t benefited from talented upperclassmen?

Not like Roy has. Roy has retained more multiple top 10, top 15 players than any school in the nation.

 

[topps coach]

So K hasn’t benefited from talented upperclassmen?

Who the hell do you think you are coming on our board and lecturing Duke fans on what to say or think about Unc.You want to post basketball feel free and you will find most posters will be happy to have civil discussions with you but bring your arrogant Unc BS here just stay away

 

[ticket2ride04]

Not like Roy has. Roy has retained more multiple top 10, top 15 players than any school in the nation.

So how are Jefferson and Cook different than Meeks, Berry, and Jackson? How many upperclassmen did the 2001 team have? ‘91&’92? How are you parsing this?

But let’s assume Roy is retaining more talent than any other coach. If that’s the case, how can you knock him for that? A coach’s job is to win. Seems like Roy is smart to hold back these players in order to accumulate FF’s and titles.

Who the hell do you think you are coming on our board and lecturing Duke fans on what to say or think about Unc.You want to post basketball feel free and you will find most posters will be happy to have civil discussions with you but bring your arrogant Unc BS here just stay away

I’m going to invoke my best Roshinritter response here. I am simply discussing basketball. I’m not being arrogant or rude. My position might inflame you, but that’s a function of your perception, not my words. I’ve been cordial and self-deprecating at times. I’m simply not laying down to the argument that Roy only wins because he holds back talent.

 

[topps coach]

So how are Jefferson and Cook different than Meeks, Berry, and Jackson? How many upperclassmen did the 2001 team have? ‘91&’92? How are you parsing this?

But let’s assume Roy is retaining more talent than any other coach. If that’s the case, how can you knock him for that? A coach’s job is to win. Seems like Roy is smart to hold back these players in order to accumulate FF’s and titles.



I’m going to invoke my best Roshinritter response here. I am simply discussing basketball. I’m not being arrogant or rude. My position might inflame you, but that’s a function of your perception, not my words. I’ve been cordial and self-deprecating at times. I’m simply not laying down to the argument that Roy only wins because he holds back talent.

No one had made the assertion that he deliberately holds back talent but the fact that Unc has had more top fifteen to twenty level players stay than any school in the country.You also have to agree that good to great talent with experience is better than inexperienced talent.My problem with your approach is that you come across as that typical arrogant Tar Heel fan that believes he can say anything he wants with impunity.You are on several threads belittling Duke fans

 

[pisgah101]

I actually think he's a good dude and don't have a problem with him. Could be because we're both mountain boys who like Coca Cola and saying dadgum though

 

[ticket2ride04]

No one had made the assertion that he deliberately holds back talent but the fact that Unc has had more top fifteen to twenty level players stay than any school in the country.You also have to agree that good to great talent with experience is better than inexperienced talent.My problem with your approach is that you come across as that typical arrogant Tar Heel fan that believes he can say anything he wants with impunity.You are on several threads belittling Duke fans

I think you’re trying to find animosity in my posts instead of taking them for what they are.

 

[BNM79]

So how are Jefferson and Cook different than Meeks, Berry, and Jackson? How many upperclassmen did the 2001 team have? ‘91&’92? How are you parsing this?

But let’s assume Roy is retaining more talent than any other coach. If that’s the case, how can you knock him for that? A coach’s job is to win. Seems like Roy is smart to hold back these players in order to accumulate FF’s and titles.



I’m going to invoke my best Roshinritter response here. I am simply discussing basketball. I’m not being arrogant or rude. My position might inflame you, but that’s a function of your perception, not my words. I’ve been cordial and self-deprecating at times. I’m simply not laying down to the argument that Roy only wins because he holds back talent.

Jackson was a top 10 player in his class. The others were in the 30-50 range and not out of the ordinary to stay 3-4 years. Heck that’s the range I would like to see k focusing on a little more than he has recently.

I think the time frame of concern is the one n done era. At least that’s what I gather from the posts. The 90s and early 2000s were full of teams with high level talent staying multiple years.

 

[Alaskan_Assassin_21]

Of those 3 Tar Heels titles, only last season really irks me or more precisely leaves me perplexed.

2005: I still vividly remember May battling Sheldon downlow that final day of the regular season @ Chapel Hill. In hindsight they had the superior team and I think we had just managed to reach our peak earlier in the season plus ride a strong core of leadership. To end any lingering debate, UNC would end up defeating the Spartans in the Final Four whom had eliminated us earlier in the Tournament

2009: Obviously we would go on to win the following season with mostly the same group minus Gerald Henderson (added size with Mason/Kelly). But Hansbrough's title was well deserved and this Heels team steamrolled the Final Four including the Villanova team that essentially did the same to us earlier in the Tournament. After the FF we had no argument for being the superior team in 2009

Last season was quite the bitter pill, from the SC game location to Gonzaga unravelling late in the Title Game vs UNC. I truly believed the Heels were destined to be exposed heading into that game. The bitterness has little to do with it being last season - it feels today as if its been several years since we had Kennard & Tatum. I just feel contrary to 2005 & 2009, I don't think UNC necessarily was superior.

 

[peterjurkinsquirtsroywilliams]

So how are Jefferson and Cook different than Meeks, Berry, and Jackson? How many upperclassmen did the 2001 team have? ‘91&’92? How are you parsing this?

But let’s assume Roy is retaining more talent than any other coach. If that’s the case, how can you knock him for that? A coach’s job is to win. Seems like Roy is smart to hold back these players in order to accumulate FF’s and titles.



I’m going to invoke my best Roshinritter response here. I am simply discussing basketball. I’m not being arrogant or rude. My position might inflame you, but that’s a function of your perception, not my words. I’ve been cordial and self-deprecating at times. I’m simply not laying down to the argument that Roy only wins because he holds back talent.

I’m referring since OADs. Also, Jeffero

Jackson was a top 10 player in his class. The others were in the 30-50 range and not out of the ordinary to stay 3-4 years. Heck that’s the range I would like to see k focusing on a little more than he has recently.

I think the time frame of concern is the one n done era. At least that’s what I gather from the posts. The 90s and early 2000s were full of teams with high level talent staying multiple years.

Hicks and Pinson were top 15 players.