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Solana Beach Husker

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-From 2008 to 2014 Oregon has an average recruiting class ranking of 20.
-They are the only team to compete for a national title in that time that does not have an average class ranking in the top 10.
-Frost employs the Oregon model on both offense and defense.
-His offensive system pushes pace and explosive plays. Long drives are not the optimum.
-His defensive system is meant to go in tandem with an explosive offense. A defense that takes risks and is aggressive and pursues turnovers over small yardage totals.
-Both systems are also quirky, and are hard to prepare for in a short amount of time. This also means they might be harder to implement for incoming players...
-When working as intended our offense will get out to a big lead and this will disorient any offensive plan the opponent may have. This is especially damaging to teams that require a running game. Our defense will then play aggressively and force turnovers.
- When not working our defense will be left out to dry as our our offense will not sustain drives and our defense will be on the field too long. The aggressive style also lends itself to giving up big leads if the offense goes stagnant for entire halves.
- This is not the most efficient system to win games if offense and defense are incongruent as they are now. Slowing the pace, controlling the ball would win more games now but would retard any transition into the new systems for the future.
- The transition from Bo to Riley to Frost is as disruptive as from Solich to Callahan. Building this system and the talent behind it takes time but once it is fulfilled we should have a chance to hurdle the recruiting challenges and geographic disadvantage that most midwest teams have in their search for a national championship.
 
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Harry Caray

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Solana Beach Husker said:
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- The transition from Bo to Riley to Frost is as disruptive as from Solich to Callahan. Building this system and the talent behind it takes time but once it is fulfilled we should have a chance to hurdle the recruiting challenges and geographic disadvantage that most midwest teams have in their search for a national championship.
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Callahan won 8 games in Year 2, Riley won 9. Frost will be lucky to win 5.

Most good coaches are able to turn it around in 2-3 years, or at least show huge improvement from Year 1 to Year 2. We seem to be regressing in many areas.
 
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redfanusa

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But Frost is a "Husker Guy" so he gets our culture, and how things are done here. Except for the dramatic change in both offensive and defensive styles from anything run by Devaney, Osborne, Solich, or Pelini (a one-year "Husker Guy" from Ohio).
 
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Dreinhart

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slwags said:
Despite having the talent our offense doesn’t look anything like central Florida or Oregon.
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You have to consider that our receiving core is very thin. JD, Wandale, and? Right now we have 1 RB in Mo Washington who is producing but he's not an every down back. At Tight End we seem to be better but still don't have a true receiving threat. Offensive line is young and thin but I do think it's getting better through recruiting. It will take years though. Solid lines that are built through development don't come over night.

Yes we have talent but not the depth and cohesion it takes to be deadly. It will take years to get this right but I believe it can and will get corrected.
 
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Trumplestiltskin

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It seems the Oregon Backs would hit the line full soled and pop thru small creases to the second level. Our Backs don’t seem to do that. Was always amazes at how hard those little Backs would hit the holes between the Tackles. Kind of like how Sproles ran for KSU.
 
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Headcard

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Trumplestiltskin said:
It seems the Oregon Backs would hit the line full soled and pop thru small creases to the second level. Our Backs don’t seem to do that. Was always amazes at how hard those little Backs would hit the holes between the Tackles. Kind of like how Sproles ran for KSU.
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Killins at UCF too. Our inability to run inside zone, or anything between the tackles, is the biggest issue with our offense right now.
 
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RedMyMind

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Killins at UCF too. Our inability to run inside zone, or anything between the tackles, is the biggest issue with our offense right now.
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yup. This offense is predicated on the inside runs. Offense expands from the inside-out.

It is one of those things where you don't want to abandon the inside run because you need to practice it as a core part of your offense but at the same time not forcing a square peg when it doesn't yield.
 
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saluno22

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Solana Beach Husker said:
-Both systems are also quirky, and are hard to prepare for in a short amount of time. This also means they might be harder to implement for incoming players...
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I disagree with the bold part as with respect to non-QB offensive skill players. My understanding is the playbook for these positions is "modular" (you only need to learn a finite number of concepts and apply them as directed) in order to get talented young players on the field quicker.
 
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Boilerplatedeal

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Solana Beach Husker said:
-From 2008 to 2014 Oregon has an average recruiting class ranking of 20.
-They are the only team to compete for a national title in that time that does not have an average class ranking in the top 10.
-Frost employs the Oregon model on both offense and defense.
-His offensive system pushes pace and explosive plays. Long drives are not the optimum.
-His defensive system is meant to go in tandem with an explosive offense. A defense that takes risks and is aggressive and pursues turnovers over small yardage totals.
-Both systems are also quirky, and are hard to prepare for in a short amount of time. This also means they might be harder to implement for incoming players...
-When working as intended our offense will get out to a big lead and this will disorient any offensive plan the opponent may have. This is especially damaging to teams that require a running game. Our defense will then play aggressively and force turnovers.
- When not working our defense will be left out to dry as our our offense will not sustain drives and our defense will be on the field too long. The aggressive style also lends itself to giving up big leads if the offense goes stagnant for entire halves.
- This is not the most efficient system to win games if offense and defense are incongruent as they are now. Slowing the pace, controlling the ball would win more games now but would retard any transition into the new systems for the future.
- The transition from Bo to Riley to Frost is as disruptive as from Solich to Callahan. Building this system and the talent behind it takes time but once it is fulfilled we should have a chance to hurdle the recruiting challenges and geographic disadvantage that most midwest teams have in their search for a national championship.
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You said national championship. The last time you won one, my town got a new restaurant .. the Olive Garden lol
 
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BC Hawk

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Oregon’s style won’t work in the Big Ten. Sorry. Get a competent offensive line, not gimmicks.
 
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Scavenger_rivals82747

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That model isn't exactly working for UCLA. I think college football has figured it out. After enough teams copy it, it becomes a more standard part of off season football preparation by staffs which have doubled in size since the Oregon days (teams have lots of extended staffs now that do nothing but break down film, performance analytics, go to workshops to learn how such systems work, etc.).
 
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Solana Beach Husker

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Harry Caray said:
Callahan won 8 games in Year 2, Riley won 9. Frost will be lucky to win 5.

Most good coaches are able to turn it around in 2-3 years, or at least show huge improvement from Year 1 to Year 2. We seem to be regressing in many areas.
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What areas? Like the one where we lost a senior leader...we lost our best player at WR, RB, and oline...those happen to be struggling. We are better at every defensive position, TE, and it is the same AM as last year, just with fewer options. Callahan had a senior qb, Riley had a senior qb, Frost has a true sophomore at qb and Rb, freshman at wr and center, and transfers at rb and wr...his 2nd wr has been hurt.
 
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Solana Beach Husker

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saluno22 said:
I disagree with the bold part as with respect to non-QB offensive skill players. My understanding is the playbook for these positions is "modular" (you only need to learn a finite number of concepts and apply them as directed) in order to get talented young players on the field quicker.
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But they also have little in relation to what kids learned in HS.. it might be easy to learn but it is different from a normal HS spread. AM has learned it as has Mo so you might be right.
 
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Solana Beach Husker

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redfanusa said:
But Frost is a "Husker Guy" so he gets our culture, and how things are done here. Except for the dramatic change in both offensive and defensive styles from anything run by Devaney, Osborne, Solich, or Pelini (a one-year "Husker Guy" from Ohio).
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The oregon system is essentially the modern option. Osborne of course was criticized for running a quirky offense that didn't translate the NFL and he was criticized for going with small and fast back 7 that also didn't translate to the NFL. Frost knows that NU was great in the 90s because it was so hard to prepare for us because of system. We had great S&C but we also had 9 out of 11 offensive players from Nebraska in 97'. He knows that system can win when talent is lacking. That was the T.O way...T.O had a national championships qb who completed 44% of his passes...I would be terrified if we had an NFL guy come in a try to run everything like Iowa, I would much rather see what we saw yesterday than know we are going to get 20 years of mediocrity.
 
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oldjar07

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Harry Caray said:
Callahan won 8 games in Year 2, Riley won 9. Frost will be lucky to win 5.

Most good coaches are able to turn it around in 2-3 years, or at least show huge improvement from Year 1 to Year 2. We seem to be regressing in many areas.
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I don't think we we're regressing in a lot of areas. I don't think we ever really improved much in year 1 to begin with. There's a reason we lost to Iowa and Ohio State when we should have won those games. Our defense got ran all over by Iowa last year, and it's not surprising we're starting near that level this year.
 
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oldjar07

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redfanusa said:
But Frost is a "Husker Guy" so he gets our culture, and how things are done here. Except for the dramatic change in both offensive and defensive styles from anything run by Devaney, Osborne, Solich, or Pelini (a one-year "Husker Guy" from Ohio).
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I don't necessarily like how much he's been influenced by Chip Kelly compared to the other coaches he was close to. His offense and defensive philosophies are highly influenced by Chip Kelly and Oregon even though their defenses were never really impressive. I'd much rather he model his defenses after some of the great ones we had here.

Frost was one of the toughest SoB's to ever play the qb position and yet his teams practice and play rather soft. It seems like we have players being told by the coaches to not take contact and go out of bounds. Do you think Frost ever was told that by TO or ever would have done that as a player? If Frost was able to teach his players half the mental toughness he had himself as a player, we'd be a damn good team right now.
 
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JohnRossEwing

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BC Hawk said:
Oregon’s style won’t work in the Big Ten. Sorry. Get a competent offensive line, not gimmicks.
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I don't get this...What OSU runs is pretty darn close to what the Ducks run, in fact, way more teams run up-tempo, spread stuff than anything else.
 
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cecilB

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oldjar07 said:
I don't think we we're regressing in a lot of areas. I don't think we ever really improved much in year 1 to begin with. There's a reason we lost to Iowa and Ohio State when we should have won those games. Our defense got ran all over by Iowa last year, and it's not surprising we're starting near that level this year.
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‘Should have won those games’ Really?
 
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Trumplestiltskin said:
It seems the Oregon Backs would hit the line full soled and pop thru small creases to the second level. Our Backs don’t seem to do that. Was always amazes at how hard those little Backs would hit the holes between the Tackles. Kind of like how Sproles ran for KSU.
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Two things Oregon did that we don't. 1 snap the ball immediately. None if this looking over to the sideline nonsense. We might as well huddle up. The other is 3-5 yard slant passes over the middle. We have WR just made for that pass yet we never use it.
 
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ZJSARENOTFREE

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Harry Caray said:
Callahan won 8 games in Year 2, Riley won 9. Frost will be lucky to win 5.

Most good coaches are able to turn it around in 2-3 years, or at least show huge improvement from Year 1 to Year 2. We seem to be regressing in many areas.
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It's still pretty early to say Frost will only win 5 this year.
 
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