The Cotton Mills
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Well, since we scrapped the initial plans and awarded the contract to a chain hotel contractor, I believe it's going to be another strip mall. Except this time with a Bonefish in it.
Anything was better than what was out there before. I am sure the project is probably phased, so do not get your panties in a bunch if it does not blow you away as soon as the first building is constructed. Millenials, geez.
There is a Dennys as you drive into campus. Im shocked Bonefish even agreed to come at all.
People that drink bud light and think Outback is "fancy" wont support it. Students certainly wont in the summer.
People that drink bud light and think Outback is "fancy" wont support it. Students certainly wont in the summer.
I have always said Meridian would have been best. Correct that, and have us invested a little more in Polytechnic than A&M, waive out of state tuition for neighboring Alabama counties, and we would be nearly as powerful as Auburn.
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definitely going to be more like the bottom pic and why the F did they put a helicopter in that top image.
Well I've seen you on this forum complaining about "the damn liberals" so excuse me if I didn't initially take you for the progressive type.
The plan all along was to phase the project, which the Cotton Mill being the priority. It's slowly dwindled down from a bigger project to that plus a strip mall. The way it's being constructive and the amount of land they've slowly appropriated for other projects on the opposite side have made it impossible to do anything that will look worth a ****.
It's a tragedy that we've gone from an elaborate gateway into our university with a boulevard and pedestrian friendly area to another metal construction strip mall.
Baby boomers, geez.
The strip mall is completely separate from the Cotton Mill, different property owner, different developer, etc.. The strip mall will have a Holiday inn attached to it, while the Cotton Mill has a Marriott property. The actual Cotton Mill project is going to be awesome, and you are going to be extremely impressed with the two restaurants going in on the CM property (neither is a chain).
The funny thing is..
It is old school thinking that is preventing us from designing, building and organizing the built environment the way we used to when we used to do those things well. Before the 40's and 50's.
Strip malls and parking lots are the damn Murrican way! If you don't like me duhveluppin my prawpuhtee the way I damn well see fit, you can go HAIL!! And on a completely unrelated note, I caint wait to go on a lovely vacation to Savannah with muh wahf. Hmm, now why is that place so nass?
Oh, I know he is. And there are people that do care about MSU now. But, its an old mentality and definitely a 'prove me wrong' type situation. I still picture the final result being this...
It is old school thinking that is preventing us from designing, building and organizing the built environment the way we used to when we used to do those things well. Before the 40's and 50's.
Strip malls and parking lots are the damn Murrican way! If you don't like me duhveluppin my prawpuhtee the way I damn well see fit, you can go HAIL!! And on a completely unrelated note, I caint wait to go on a lovely vacation to Savannah with muh wahf. Hmm, now why is that place so nass?
As someone else already mentioned, the last picture you put up is by a different developer on the old movie theater site.
The Mill (no longer cotton mill.. That was deemed too racist) is going to be office space and a conference center. The conference center is badly needed by the university. There is also a Marriott and parking garage on the site. There won't be much exciting in the actual Cooley building. There will be some retail but not a lot. Also there will be a wine bar in the basement. This should all be done in late May early June.
The more exciting stuff should be announced soon. There will be a restaurant and a mixed-use (retail and condo) portion too. Not that there is anything wrong with bonefish, but you guys will be very impressed with the restaurant that will be locating there. It's a top notch local place in the jackson metro area.
The Mill (no longer cotton mill.. That was deemed too racist) is going to be office space and a conference center. The conference center is badly needed by the university. There is also a Marriott and parking garage on the site. There won't be much exciting in the actual Cooley building. There will be some retail but not a lot. Also there will be a wine bar in the basement. This should all be done in late May early June.
The more exciting stuff should be announced soon. There will be a restaurant and a mixed-use (retail and condo) portion too. Not that there is anything wrong with bonefish, but you guys will be very impressed with the restaurant that will be locating there. It's a top notch local place in the jackson metro area.
I'm sorry but I can't say. For some reason, the developer is keeping things tight lipped about the restaurant. I assume that is the request of the restaurant. I don't think you will have to wait long though. I think they will start building early 2015. I'd imagine they want to be open by football season.
I thought it was crazy too but the actually project name is The Mill at MSU.
1) Bigger and better city (at the time). Good enough location that it warranted interstate access years later.
2) Interstate access itself is an advantage, now that it is built. Jackson 1 hour, Birmingham 2 hours, direct routes.
3) Proximity to the Coast and the 3rd biggest city in AL (Mobile).
4) Fun. Well documented that they wanted the cadets to NOT have fun thus they located the school in Starkville.
5) Farther from Oxford and Tuscaloosa.
6) Meridian is under-served enough that we put a secondary campus there.
7) USM would have never existed most likely.
8) Meridian's downtown would be very nice and apt for a college town if it had been kept up.
Think of all the money that has gone into the GTR complex, that all could have been spent making Meridian bigger and better all these years, and/or Tupelo area. MCC would have been more perfectly located in Starkville, then we would not need the EMCC-Mayhew campus. The entire country is going urban. Mississippi's decision to create small towns all over was not a good one, as were many decisions made in the 1800s.
Shall I continue? It obviously does not matter now, we must do the best with what we have.
Edited: I see now that you are asking why Meridian was best, not necessarily a comparison to Starkville. That still does not change my opinion. Some people say Jackson would have been best, but while I do not like the idea of a bunch of little towns, Meridian was a well-established city and I think it is important to separate your state's biggest city(s) from its college towns. College towns should be unique. And please do not say Hattiesburg. Just.....no. Coast? See my reasons for not locating in Jackson.
2) Interstate access itself is an advantage, now that it is built. Jackson 1 hour, Birmingham 2 hours, direct routes.
3) Proximity to the Coast and the 3rd biggest city in AL (Mobile).
4) Fun. Well documented that they wanted the cadets to NOT have fun thus they located the school in Starkville.
5) Farther from Oxford and Tuscaloosa.
6) Meridian is under-served enough that we put a secondary campus there.
7) USM would have never existed most likely.
8) Meridian's downtown would be very nice and apt for a college town if it had been kept up.
Think of all the money that has gone into the GTR complex, that all could have been spent making Meridian bigger and better all these years, and/or Tupelo area. MCC would have been more perfectly located in Starkville, then we would not need the EMCC-Mayhew campus. The entire country is going urban. Mississippi's decision to create small towns all over was not a good one, as were many decisions made in the 1800s.
Shall I continue? It obviously does not matter now, we must do the best with what we have.
Edited: I see now that you are asking why Meridian was best, not necessarily a comparison to Starkville. That still does not change my opinion. Some people say Jackson would have been best, but while I do not like the idea of a bunch of little towns, Meridian was a well-established city and I think it is important to separate your state's biggest city(s) from its college towns. College towns should be unique. And please do not say Hattiesburg. Just.....no. Coast? See my reasons for not locating in Jackson.
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A helicopter and what appears to be a gold 1992 Honda Accord. Ballin'.
oh ****...we even get a helicopter.
thats how you know you are legit.
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In the late 1800s, meridian was one of the richest and biggest cities in the southeast. Commerce at the time was largely centered around the railroad, but if it was hometown of MSU, I much imagine the more progressive nature of a college town probably would have allowed it to grow and thrive much more than it has. Instead, A few industrial big Wigs have fought tooth and nail the last 50
Years to keep any new industry out of town. Hence, why its now a stagnant has-been of a city that probably will not grow any more than it has.
Years to keep any new industry out of town. Hence, why its now a stagnant has-been of a city that probably will not grow any more than it has.
Morons run the city, no one wants to stay because of the morons running the city, and they're followed by more morons who never left who then run the city. The exception is Wiseman who could easily be doing something else. But he's always being cussed and everyone keeps trying to run him out of town for being "a damned liberal."
I met wiseman not too long ago and came away impressed. Hopefully starkville can get a city council to go along with him.
Certainly not my intent to start that debate. I was just stating the fact behind the name change and I do think it's petty. However, I also understand.
His father was one of my favorite professors at MSU. Brilliant man. Any time any national publication talks about Mississippi politics or policies he's quoted in it.
Wiseman would be considered a conservative anywhere else in the country. I'm just glad he heard the calling and somehow managed to get elected regardless of the haters.
ETA: I never was able to vote in Starkville, but I remember he almost lost to the parks and rec commissioner. I've worked in parks before, and I'd like to I think I know how a parks department should run, and in my opinion Starkville has one of the worst excuses for a parks department in a state known for bad parks departments. I could stomach the strip malls if there were green spaces.
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Developers these days have such bland naming taste.
"The Mill." What's up with "The <whatever>" names? The new development in my town up here is called "The District," and then down the road, they're building these skyscrapers and calling the development "The Hub."
bump found this:
http://properties.theshoppingcentergroup.com/properties/themill/#overview
http://properties.theshoppingcentergroup.com/property/output/document/view/id:3150/
Here's the other hotel going into the area(by Maroon and Co. Jimmy John's etc)
http://www.barhamcainmynatt.com/revit/HIStarkville1.jpg
and this shows plans for a shopping center in the lot of the recently demolished bldg by Papa John's etc.
http://properties.theshoppingcentergroup.com/property/output/document/view/id:4548/
http://properties.theshoppingcentergroup.com/properties/themill/#overview
http://properties.theshoppingcentergroup.com/property/output/document/view/id:3150/
Here's the other hotel going into the area(by Maroon and Co. Jimmy John's etc)
http://www.barhamcainmynatt.com/revit/HIStarkville1.jpg
and this shows plans for a shopping center in the lot of the recently demolished bldg by Papa John's etc.
http://properties.theshoppingcentergroup.com/property/output/document/view/id:4548/
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So I guess over 100 years ago they could have located MSU in any town in Mississippi and it would be a better town? I'm just not buying this whole argument that "Starkville sucks..... should have been Meridian or Jackson or Hattiesburg."
What makes you think Meridian would have worked any closer with the University than Starkville has? At the end of the day it's all about Alumni changing the mentality of their former college town and investing into it. (see Oxford or Athens). Not talking some dumb **** about how the legislature made a bad decision 136 years ago. Nobody knows what would have happened. You think Oxford or Athens is in a "great location where interstates meet?"
What makes you think Meridian would have worked any closer with the University than Starkville has? At the end of the day it's all about Alumni changing the mentality of their former college town and investing into it. (see Oxford or Athens). Not talking some dumb **** about how the legislature made a bad decision 136 years ago. Nobody knows what would have happened. You think Oxford or Athens is in a "great location where interstates meet?"
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You do realize that Bonefish is part of the Outback corporate structure, right?
Bloomin’ Brands, Inc restaurants: Outback Steakhouse, Carrabba’s Italian Grill, Bonefish Grill and Fleming's Prime Steakhouse & Wine Bar
Bloomin’ Brands, Inc restaurants: Outback Steakhouse, Carrabba’s Italian Grill, Bonefish Grill and Fleming's Prime Steakhouse & Wine Bar
The thing is, morons run a lot of cities, and even if morons aren't running the city when you move there, there is always a chance it could happen the next election.