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<blockquote data-quote="skygusty_rivals" data-source="post: 129580348" data-attributes="member: 1500287"><p>What would I have to be pissed off about? I'm enjoying your convoluted logic. Face it. You say you want the Big12 to stay competitive with the Big10 and the SEC but you want them to do so by adding teams that no one else wants. This is apparently not acceptable to either Texas or Oklahoma, maybe not to anyone else in the Big12. The money isn't sufficient, the votes aren't there, the prestige of the league would take a big hit and you aren't getting your way. There is obviously no way to make either Texas or Oklahoma happy by expanding with the teams that are available. You may well be correct that Texas does not want to expand even if Clemson or FSU were available, frankly I'm not sure I do either because I have always said that 10 is the perfect number. This is a moot point because they are not available or interested. Texas and Oklahoma will either stay in the Big12 and reap the benefits as it is or they will act as willful and as stubborn as you believe them to be and leave for the hope of greener pastures as soon as they can. The decision belongs to those two schools. You believe that you see the future clearly when it is obvious that the future always has unforeseen twists. If you can show me a post of yours from 10 years ago that has Louisville, Pitt and Syracuse in the ACC, WVU in the Big12, Maryland and Rutgers in the BIG10 and Texas AM and Mizzou in the SEC then maybe I'll give some weight to your prognosticating powers. Whatever the future is it will be unexpected. Even if your worst fears come true there was never any thing you could have said or done to change Texas or their influence within the conference. Boren tried to force the issue but he couldn't bring it about either. Boren is either telling the truth now or he isn't. Either the conference stands together like they say they will, or they make back room deals to get out. So what? If WVU could make a back door deal to join the SEC or the BIG10 we would do it in a heartbeat and celebrate. You continue to act surprised and offended that Texas wields the power that they hold and serves their selfish interests as they see fit. Duh. You continue with the foolish proposition that if more WVU message board members would have agreed with you, then Texas would have somehow magically voted to expand. You continue with the foolish propostion that those of us who have been skeptical, but willing to wait for the decision from the BIG12 and actually see the data have somehow influenced the outcome in a way you don't like. It is not a personal attack to make the observation that this is delusional thinking. I could care less whether you call me names, make a thousand more posts on the subject or no more posts on the subject. I am only interested in what the BIG12 actually does. That is the only substance that means anything.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="skygusty_rivals, post: 129580348, member: 1500287"] What would I have to be pissed off about? I'm enjoying your convoluted logic. Face it. You say you want the Big12 to stay competitive with the Big10 and the SEC but you want them to do so by adding teams that no one else wants. This is apparently not acceptable to either Texas or Oklahoma, maybe not to anyone else in the Big12. The money isn't sufficient, the votes aren't there, the prestige of the league would take a big hit and you aren't getting your way. There is obviously no way to make either Texas or Oklahoma happy by expanding with the teams that are available. You may well be correct that Texas does not want to expand even if Clemson or FSU were available, frankly I'm not sure I do either because I have always said that 10 is the perfect number. This is a moot point because they are not available or interested. Texas and Oklahoma will either stay in the Big12 and reap the benefits as it is or they will act as willful and as stubborn as you believe them to be and leave for the hope of greener pastures as soon as they can. The decision belongs to those two schools. You believe that you see the future clearly when it is obvious that the future always has unforeseen twists. If you can show me a post of yours from 10 years ago that has Louisville, Pitt and Syracuse in the ACC, WVU in the Big12, Maryland and Rutgers in the BIG10 and Texas AM and Mizzou in the SEC then maybe I'll give some weight to your prognosticating powers. Whatever the future is it will be unexpected. Even if your worst fears come true there was never any thing you could have said or done to change Texas or their influence within the conference. Boren tried to force the issue but he couldn't bring it about either. Boren is either telling the truth now or he isn't. Either the conference stands together like they say they will, or they make back room deals to get out. So what? If WVU could make a back door deal to join the SEC or the BIG10 we would do it in a heartbeat and celebrate. You continue to act surprised and offended that Texas wields the power that they hold and serves their selfish interests as they see fit. Duh. You continue with the foolish proposition that if more WVU message board members would have agreed with you, then Texas would have somehow magically voted to expand. You continue with the foolish propostion that those of us who have been skeptical, but willing to wait for the decision from the BIG12 and actually see the data have somehow influenced the outcome in a way you don't like. It is not a personal attack to make the observation that this is delusional thinking. I could care less whether you call me names, make a thousand more posts on the subject or no more posts on the subject. I am only interested in what the BIG12 actually does. That is the only substance that means anything. [/QUOTE]
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