Talent gap

[Ewooc]

To show this difference in talent gap from us to Ohio St. I went and looked at their starting Offense and D and looked to see the how many stars those kids were coming out of HS.

Neb has 9 starters ranked 4 stars all others are 3.
Ohio St has 13- 4 star guys and 5- 5 star guys.

On the flip side Colorada has 2- 4 star guys starting. But some say we just don't have the talent to beat team like CU.

 

[F5Tornado]

Ohio State is one of those "it" teams, they easily attract talent, have good coaching, and of course, players. Nebraska has a lot of catching up to do when Ohio State is the team to beat, talent and coaching wise.

 

[dinglefritz]

To show this difference in talent gap from us to Ohio St. I went and looked at their starting Offense and D and looked to see the how many stars those kids were coming out of HS.

Neb has 9 starters ranked 4 stars all others are 3.
Ohio St has 13- 4 star guys and 5- 5 star guys.

On the flip side Colorada has 2- 4 star guys starting. But some say we just don't have the talent to beat team like Ohio St.

OSU's talent is very deep. Ours is not. IMO, the loss at CU was due to multiple factors but if I had to list the top it would be experience at critical positions. Center, QB and safety. We'll see how we're playing by the time we get to OSU. IMO we should have been listening to some former Huskers who had watched practices and were pumping the brakes. I've heard multiple guys say that getting to a bowl game would be a success and that a best case scenario was 8 wins.

 

[Husker4lyfe15]

Ohio State is one of those "it" teams, they easily attract talent, have good coaching, and of course, players. Nebraska has a lot of catching up to do when Ohio State is the team to beat, talent and coaching wise.

A long way to go indeed. If I’m a recruit what’s appealing about husker football? I’m not sure I can pinpoint something that makes us standout. Football Purgatory sucks. TO must have sold his soul to the devil himself for that last national title

 

[dinglefritz]

A long way to go indeed. If I’m a recruit what’s appealing about husker football? I’m not sure I can pinpoint something that makes us standout. Football Purgatory sucks. TO must have sold his soul to the devil himself for that last national title

I've read a few of your posts and they all seem to be from a non-Husker troll..... The Huskers will be back. It's not if, it's when.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

To show this difference in talent gap from us to Ohio St. I went and looked at their starting Offense and D and looked to see the how many stars those kids were coming out of HS.

Neb has 9 starters ranked 4 stars all others are 3.
Ohio St has 13- 4 star guys and 5- 5 star guys.

On the flip side Colorada has 2- 4 star guys starting. But some say we just don't have the talent to beat team like CU.

This is the situation where people say, “the recruiting services don’t know what they’re talking about”.

Then when you bring up Ohio State, that’s when they say, “look at the star rankings of the recruits”.

Bottom line - a team with much less talented players and the first year coach beat us. Talent was not the issue...

 

[Ewooc]

This is the situation where people say, “the recruiting services don’t know what they’re talking about”.

Then when you bring up Ohio State, that’s when they say, “look at the star rankings of the recruits”.

Bottom line - a team with much less talented players and the first year coach beat us. Talent was not the issue...

Agree, I think Frost came in and everyone ( me included) thought he would be this magic pill so to say. He would be able to come in and just fix everything. That isn't happening, so instead of losing faith in Frost many are trying to justify other reason why we aren't having success and talent is one of the big one. When in reality no we don't have the talent to consistently beat teams like Ohio St. We most definitely do to beat teams like CU, or Iowa, or NW, Purdue, Illinois, and most other team in the BIG outside of Ohio St, Mich and Penn St. The excuses need to stop. Good coaches just win, no excuses need. I think Frost will get there, but people need to start calling it like it is, we are getting out coached last year and right now against less talented teams.
Edit: I don't want some to take this the wrong way. Yes I think coaching is a big factor in our issues. It is not the only issue. I think the mentality of this team is still iffy from MR, I think our S&C is still behind where it should be. I think while we do have some good talent, they are still young and inexperienced. All the problems should get better with time. But I think there are most definitely games we should have won that the coach/ Frost lost for us.

 

[Husker4lyfe15]

I've read a few of your posts and they all seem to be from a non-Husker troll..... The Huskers will be back. It's not if, it's when.

We’ve been saying we will be back since after we went 7-7 in 2002. Sorry for being extremely skeptical at this point.

 

[Huskred01]

Agree, I think Frost came in and everyone ( me included) thought he would be this magic pill so to say. He would be able to come in and just fix everything. That isn't happening, so instead of losing faith in Frost many are trying to justify other reason why we aren't having success and talent is one of the big one. When in reality no we don't have the talent to consistently beat teams like Ohio St. We most definitely do to beat teams like CU, or Iowa, or NW, Purdue, Illinois, and most other team in the BIG outside of Ohio St, Mich and Penn St. The excuses need to stop. Good coaches just win, no excuses need. I think Frost will get there, but people need to start calling it like it is, we are getting out coached last year and right now against less talented teams.

This. All of this.

 

[Crazyhole]

We matched up talent-wise with OSU in our game last year.

 

[huskat]

We matched up talent-wise with OSU in our game last year.

Not sure if serious. They had 9 players drafted, we had 0. Add to that the players that played last year for OSU that returned and will be drafted in the future, vs our players that returned and will/won't be drafted...surely you are kidding.

 

[huskat]

Over the last 2 coaching staffs, we have lost, IMO, a disproportionate number of games in which we had equal or more talent. That could just be the depression talking, though.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

We matched up talent-wise with OSU in our game last year.

We did not match up in talent. We rose to the challenge and played a very good game against a more talented team. They likely could have seen our performance up till then and looked at us like another weak pushover, but on that day we kept it close. If Nebraska plays them nine more times in that year, I venture to say we would have more games that have the outcome of the Michigan game than what we did in that game.

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

Damon Benning tweeted the following:


"Do with this what you will" the participation chart shows NU played 51 players. 28 of those players weren't contributing 2 years ago. 17 weren't here at all.
Whether that elicits fear, excitement or apathy, those numbers are real.

 

[TheBeav815]

I've been banging the "this is a very young team" drum for a couple months now. This is why.

You see flashes of what it can be, and then you see regressions where it ain't yet.

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

A long way to go indeed. If I’m a recruit what’s appealing about husker football? I’m not sure I can pinpoint something that makes us standout. Football Purgatory sucks. TO must have sold his soul to the devil himself for that last national title

Tom Osborne didn’t need to sell anything to the devil, he was an outstanding coach who had outstanding assistants and they recruited top line talent.

The current staff has a way to go to reach that level, but it doesn’t mean they can’t.

 

[ZJSARENOTFREE]

When smiling Mike was fired, everyone knew it was going to take 3-4 years to really turn this thing around and now all of the sudden they feel like Frost isn't recruiting or yada yada yada. Jesus. It's game 2. Yes, we've looked shaky, but just let things play out. For god's sake.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

To show this difference in talent gap from us to Ohio St. I went and looked at their starting Offense and D and looked to see the how many stars those kids were coming out of HS.

Neb has 9 starters ranked 4 stars all others are 3.
Ohio St has 13- 4 star guys and 5- 5 star guys.

On the flip side Colorada has 2- 4 star guys starting. But some say we just don't have the talent to beat team like CU.

This is a rebuild...some of our 4 stars have been with 3 different defensive coordinators and some are 19 years old. I will admit that Frost hasn't prioritized winning at all costs early in his tenure. He has made the conscious decision to build a foundation and to use specific systems regardless of if personnel fit them. I think you have to imagine Osborne taking the Florida job during the 90s. Imagine they used spurriers offense but it is a complete dumpster fire. They would have a lot of stars on their roster but would be mentally fragile and have depth issues because many would jump ship with the change to option. Even Osborne would find it hard to recruit to such a system in the short team and he would have to sacrifice wins to build the system. A lot of square pegs in round holes. Bo decided against using a system offense and instead use a piecemeal offense that fit his personnel. This worked with a senior qb in year 1 but fell apart because he couldn't recruit to fit an offense without an identity and he basically had safeties running his offense the entire duration from 2010 to 2014. It is hard to admit that we are not as efficient as possible but I didn't see the talent gap that people THINK should exist. Wrs weren't making plays, rbs weren't hitting holes, TEs weren't fighting for the ball. I saw a team that thinks they are better than they actually are, probably based on the media....they are humbled as is the coach...I expect to see a more aggressive team Saturday

 

[Ewooc]

We did not match up in talent. We rose to the challenge and played a very good game against a more talented team. They likely could have seen our performance up till then and looked at us like another weak pushover, but on that day we kept it close. If Nebraska plays them nine more times in that year, I venture to say we would have more games that have the outcome of the Michigan game than what we did in that game.

Similar to us with CU last year and this year. We are the vastly superior talent team. However they came to play and treated it as their NC game, we didn't. Any team can beat any team, have to bring it every week.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

Similar to us with CU last year and this year. We are the vastly superior talent team. However they came to play and treated it as their NC game, we didn't. Any team can beat any team, have to bring it every week.

Yes, but now they swept us in this series. I understand it happening once. Year after year is an issue, especially with more talent.

 

[Ewooc]

This is a rebuild...some of our 4 stars have been with 3 different defensive coordinators and some are 19 years old. I will admit that Frost hasn't prioritized winning at all costs early in his tenure. He has made the conscious decision to build a foundation and to use specific systems regardless of if personnel fit them. I think you have to imagine Osborne taking the Florida job during the 90s. Imagine they used spurriers offense but it is a complete dumpster fire. They would have a lot of stars on their roster but would be mentally fragile and have depth issues because many would jump ship with the change to option. Even Osborne would find it hard to recruit to such a system in the short team and he would have to sacrifice wins to build the system. A lot of square pegs in round holes. Bo decided against using a system offense and instead use a piecemeal offense that fit his personnel. This worked with a senior qb in year 1 but fell apart because he couldn't recruit to fit an offense without an identity and he basically had safeties running his offense the entire duration from 2010 to 2014. It is hard to admit that we are not as efficient as possible but I didn't see the talent gap that people THINK should exist. Wrs weren't making plays, rbs weren't hitting holes, TEs weren't fighting for the ball. I saw a team that thinks they are better than they actually are, probably based on the media....they are humbled as is the coach...I expect to see a more aggressive team Saturday

Good points and probably true. That is where my comment earlier of great coaches find a way to win comes in. They are able to recognize what they have and what they don't. They may have a system they want to run, but they tweak it to the players strengths that they have. They just make it work to get wins, the adjust again to what they want when they get their guys. Frost for whatever reason,he didn't want to or didn't know how to that. He has his round peg and is just shoving it harder into that square hole. It isn't fitting and he just shoves harder. I can't say I agree or disagree with his method. Im sure it has its advantages ( such as having the young guys knowing the system from day 1) and disadvantages ( losing games because we don't have the right players to fit what he wants to do)

 

[SuperSK]

To show this difference in talent gap from us to Ohio St. I went and looked at their starting Offense and D and looked to see the how many stars those kids were coming out of HS.

Neb has 9 starters ranked 4 stars all others are 3.
Ohio St has 13- 4 star guys and 5- 5 star guys.

On the flip side Colorada has 2- 4 star guys starting. But some say we just don't have the talent to beat team like CU.

Our high school coach often said "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard". Forget the stars, Purdue and Iowa killed Ohio State in the last two years by a combined 10 touchdowns. Those teams have walk on, two and three star players across their OL and DL lines. You have plenty of stars, but are missing out toughing and working your opponents. I'm a 70 year old former head coach that rose in the ranks coaching the OL and DL, that's what my eyes are telling me when I watch.

 

[Ewooc]

Yes, but now they swept us in this series. I understand it happening once. Year after year is an issue, especially with more talent.

Agree!

 

[inWV]

Damon Benning tweeted the following:


"Do with this what you will" the participation chart shows NU played 51 players. 28 of those players weren't contributing 2 years ago. 17 weren't here at all.
Whether that elicits fear, excitement or apathy, those numbers are real.

Regardless of the emotion such info might solicit, it is reality.

 

[kbowe1sat]

Ohio State is one of those "it" teams, they easily attract talent, have good coaching, and of course, players. Nebraska has a lot of catching up to do when Ohio State is the team to beat, talent and coaching wise.

Ya think ???

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Good points and probably true. That is where my comment earlier of great coaches find a way to win comes in. They are able to recognize what they have and what they don't. They may have a system they want to run, but they tweak it to the players strengths that they have. They just make it work to get wins, the adjust again to what they want when they get their guys. Frost for whatever reason,he didn't want to or didn't know how to that. He has his round peg and is just shoving it harder into that square hole. It isn't fitting and he just shoves harder. I can't say I agree or disagree with his method. Im sure it has its advantages ( such as having the young guys knowing the system from day 1) and disadvantages ( losing games because we don't have the right players to fit what he wants to do)

Lots of coaches have started poorly and had great success...I mean we are 1-6 in close games...every single one of those game could have been a W if there was 1 extra holding call or 1 extra pass INT call, or a defender slips on wet grass. Or our opponent loses their kicker and is relying on a punter. Frost could literally be 9-5 with the same exact team and execution right now. And 9-5 would look like a miracle with this group. But it wouldn't change actual reality. To be honest there is no such thing as finding a way to win, it is all probability and randomness when it is one score. That is why the only husker teams to win titles were dominant and mashed nearly all of their opponents. And then a coin flip decided games like Missouri 97 or Florida state 93

 

[Headcard]

Lots of coaches have started poorly and had great success...I mean we are 1-6 in close games...every single one of those game could have been a W if there was 1 extra holding call or 1 extra pass INT call, or a defender slips on wet grass. Or our opponent loses their kicker and is relying on a punter. Frost could literally be 9-5 with the same exact team and execution right now. And 9-5 would look like a miracle with this group. But it wouldn't change actual reality. To be honest there is no such thing as finding a way to win, it is all probability and randomness when it is one score. That is why the only husker teams to win titles were dominant and mashed nearly all of their opponents. And then a coin flip decided games like Missouri 97 or Florida state 93

Well said.

 

[oldjar07]

Lots of coaches have started poorly and had great success...I mean we are 1-6 in close games...every single one of those game could have been a W if there was 1 extra holding call or 1 extra pass INT call, or a defender slips on wet grass. Or our opponent loses their kicker and is relying on a punter. Frost could literally be 9-5 with the same exact team and execution right now. And 9-5 would look like a miracle with this group. But it wouldn't change actual reality. To be honest there is no such thing as finding a way to win, it is all probability and randomness when it is one score. That is why the only husker teams to win titles were dominant and mashed nearly all of their opponents. And then a coin flip decided games like Missouri 97 or Florida state 93

The thing is a lot of our close losses shouldn't have been close to begin with. If you played better and with more effort throughout the game, then the game doesn't have to come down to a punter trying to kick a 48 yard game tying kick in OT. The fumble in the first half by AM was huge. The game should have never been close to begin with.

 

[GeorgeFlippin]

Ya think ???

Ya think?

 

[oldjar07]

Not sure if serious. They had 9 players drafted, we had 0. Add to that the players that played last year for OSU that returned and will be drafted in the future, vs our players that returned and will/won't be drafted...surely you are kidding.

Kind of hard to get drafted when players are in the program for 4 years and don't get any better. The Davis brothers are playing at exactly the same level as they were when they got here. Mo Barry didn't get any better this year. Boe Wilson, Farniok, and Jaimes all took a step back this year. A defensive transfer from Oklahoma State might be our best chance to get someone drafted this year.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Kind of hard to get drafted when players are in the program for 4 years and don't get any better. The Davis brothers are playing at exactly the same level as they were when they got here. Mo Barry didn't get any better this year. Boe Wilson, Farniok, and Jaimes all took a step back this year. A defensive transfer from Oklahoma State might be our best chance to get someone drafted this year.

Lamar Jackson will absolutely be drafted this year.

 

[BuckysBoys1]

I look at it like this. Nebraskas best recruit in the 2018 class was Wandale Robinson. And they almost lost him to Kentucky. Ohio St. did not even want him.

 

[cecilB]

We matched up talent-wise with OSU in our game last year.

bahahaha

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

OSU's talent is very deep. Ours is not. IMO, the loss at CU was due to multiple factors but if I had to list the top it would be experience at critical positions. Center, QB and safety. We'll see how we're playing by the time we get to OSU. IMO we should have been listening to some former Huskers who had watched practices and were pumping the brakes. I've heard multiple guys say that getting to a bowl game would be a success and that a best case scenario was 8 wins.

Thanks!!! I agree with you 100%

 

[Crazyhole]

We did not match up in talent. We rose to the challenge and played a very good game against a more talented team. They likely could have seen our performance up till then and looked at us like another weak pushover, but on that day we kept it close. If Nebraska plays them nine more times in that year, I venture to say we would have more games that have the outcome of the Michigan game than what we did in that game.

Lol, rewatch the game. There wasn't a player on either side that dominated the opponent. We played at our best, and our best was equal to what OSU could put on the field all across the board. "We rose to the challenge" says it all. The talent is there.

 

[Hephusker44]

Kind of hard to get drafted when players are in the program for 4 years and don't get any better. The Davis brothers are playing at exactly the same level as they were when they got here. Mo Barry didn't get any better this year. Boe Wilson, Farniok, and Jaimes all took a step back this year. A defensive transfer from Oklahoma State might be our best chance to get someone drafted this year.

Davis brothers are definitely better IMO! dline played well the other day.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I've read a few of your posts and they all seem to be from a non-Husker troll..... The Huskers will be back. It's not if, it's when.

Not certain your last statement is true dingle.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

Lol, rewatch the game. There wasn't a player on either side that dominated the opponent. We played at our best, and our best was equal to what OSU could put on the field all across the board. "We rose to the challenge" says it all. The talent is there.

Not sure if I follow you, but I believe Nebraska rose to the level that OSU put out that day, which was nowhere near their best. Play them five more times and Nebraska loses most if not all.

Iowa beat the snot out of OSU a couple years ago. Everything clicked for Iowa and OSU likely came in thinking this is another victory and they sleepwalked through it and got caught. Again, if they play five more times, OSU beats them most if not all.

 

[c3o]

No talent gap here. Experience gap. Coaches and players trying to learn to win. Talent is there to win games we’ve been losing.

This year will teach them even more

 

[TruHusker]

We matched up talent-wise with OSU in our game last year.

No, not even close. We may have kept the score close but that doesn't mean we had comparable talent.

How many players did they have drafted? How many made all league teams? Now us? Not even close.