As a point of clarification, I was in reference to recruiting when talking about the Sherrill comparison not the win/loss record.
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If by several you mean 2 then I agree. And he has been above Boyd more than once and if he wins the bowl game would be .012 percentage points behind him after this season.
Willow is exactly right. Also, the forfeits didn't come about until 1978.
The whole investigation was a BS deal that was orchestrated by UA and UM because we were making waves like we hadn't since WWIi.
The whole investigation was a BS deal that was orchestrated by UA and UM because we were making waves like we hadn't since WWIi.
One other thing but for those great recruiting classes under Tyler, we would have NEVER had the success that we did in 80/81.
Tyler Recruting Classes - 80/81 Success
Johhny Cooks, Glenn Collins, Mardye McDole, Glenn Young, Tyrone Keys, Michael Haddix - there was a ton of NFL level talent on those 80 & 81 teams.
I used to love to listen to guys like Wesley Reed tell those recruiting stories from the late 70's. MOSS POINT
Johhny Cooks, Glenn Collins, Mardye McDole, Glenn Young, Tyrone Keys, Michael Haddix - there was a ton of NFL level talent on those 80 & 81 teams.
I used to love to listen to guys like Wesley Reed tell those recruiting stories from the late 70's. MOSS POINT
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Totally agree. A 5-7 record, and blowouts losses to Auburn, Alabama, and Arkansas really doesn't deserve an extension.
That's a great point.
All the one's bitching about an extension are the same one's that ***** every time some random Joe Blow brings up Mullen's name in a coaching search.
Doesn't that go against the former?
All the one's bitching about an extension are the same one's that ***** every time some random Joe Blow brings up Mullen's name in a coaching search.
Doesn't that go against the former?
Yep, we owned the Gulf Coast (recruiting) in those days. It's a shame Tyler didn't survive as Head Coach any longer, because he could have built an empire at State in the 1980s. Unfortunately there was the crowd both inside and outside of the program that had been undermining him since shortly after he arrived and it drove him over the edge.
Notorious in addition to everything that's been said, Bob Tyler was (and still is to this day) the most charismatic coach in the modern era at State.
If you ever have a chance to meet him, you would understand the difference between a guy like him vs. Dan Mullen (when it comes to personality and recruiting).
If you ever have a chance to meet him, you would understand the difference between a guy like him vs. Dan Mullen (when it comes to personality and recruiting).
One of my favorite Bellard quotes was about Mardye McDole. McDole had a great season under Tyler with Marler at QB, then barely caught any passes in Bellard's first year. So Bellard broke the wishbone and moved McDole to wingback. He said, "We may not can throw it to him, but we can damn sure hand it off to him."
I don't disagree. Tyler had a lot of unfortunate things happen while he was at State. We probably shouldn't have given him the AD job also after Shira passed away, but we wanted to do all we could to keep him at State.
Also, we didn't have a QB in 79', which hurt us badly (with all of the other talent we did have).
My Favorite Bellard Quote
Post game 1979 Egg Bowl to our Clarion Ledger beat writer (I think it was Rick Cleveland) - "We will have a really good football team next year and you can write that in your damned newspaper"
Post game 1979 Egg Bowl to our Clarion Ledger beat writer (I think it was Rick Cleveland) - "We will have a really good football team next year and you can write that in your damned newspaper"
I was at that game and remember that statement vividly. We lost to a bad UM team that day (14-9) after leading 9-0. I believe Fred Collins still holds the record for the longest run/score from the line of scrimmage in that game.
People that expected him to not get an extension this year were not thinking it through, or were letting their salty sandy vags prevent thim from thinking period. Even if he had finished 3-9, he was going to get some type of extension. With the team showing signs of improvement (at least on the offensive side of the ball), he's going probably going to get an extension with more than a nominal buyout or maybe he'll get an extension with a nominal buyout but get a small raise.
He absolutely learned cheating from the best. However, he played a heavy hand against the NCAA and lost. We paid for that with all those forfeits over something that would be laughable.
Agree with most of what you allude to about those days, but you don't think Bob Tyler was the one that was a bit of a head case?
I have heard that he did not want to be accountable to certain people, like say maybe the president - and ultimately, he had to go. If he didn't have other issues, then why did he never rise higher than milsaps?
There was something else going on, had to be.
BTW - I came of age in the "lets win something today" era.
Agree with most of what you allude to about those days, but you don't think Bob Tyler was the one that was a bit of a head case?
I have heard that he did not want to be accountable to certain people, like say maybe the president - and ultimately, he had to go. If he didn't have other issues, then why did he never rise higher than milsaps?
There was something else going on, had to be.
BTW - I came of age in the "lets win something today" era.
You're as bad as Rugb, the line was actually pretty damn good this year...but don't let me stop your ED talking points.
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Is it hard for you to look at the overall body of work and project the health
of the program going forward?
of the program going forward?
I agree with that but it didn't take much of a push to drive him over. He was already in the edge. He could recruit
Aghaaa! Can't some Big 12 team take Sirmon? His Defense would fit in so well in that Conference.**
The NCAA could not prove much on Tyler but they suspected a hell of a lot and
had Ole Miss and others in their ear to teach us a lesson and to remember our place. They knew we were dirty and they hammered us without proving very many serious violations. I suspect Ole Miss is about to get a similar dose of reality but of course they have much more serious evidence on them.
had Ole Miss and others in their ear to teach us a lesson and to remember our place. They knew we were dirty and they hammered us without proving very many serious violations. I suspect Ole Miss is about to get a similar dose of reality but of course they have much more serious evidence on them.
Well, not by ALL accounts. I'm not saying he was bad, but there was something up with him. He was forced out, not exactly because of the sanctions.
Strike if you know the history, then you should know his being driven over the edge happened at State and much of it was created by a group of people that never liked the man because he wouldn't give in to the good ole boy philosophy.
The head case issues you speak of happened after he had been at State when it became apparent to him and others that there was a strong force (group) working against him on the inside. At the same time other things were happening outside (UA and UM), which lead to the probation.
The key thing to remember was Tyler was Vaught's hand picked choice to succeed him after the 1970 season. When they screwed that up and let the Kinnards take over in the middle of the night, he was out. Furthermore, it turned out to be the biggest mistake they have ever made in the modern era. Had they hired Tyler, they would have never skipped a beat and we would likely still be trying to figure out how to win.
The key thing to remember was Tyler was Vaught's hand picked choice to succeed him after the 1970 season. When they screwed that up and let the Kinnards take over in the middle of the night, he was out. Furthermore, it turned out to be the biggest mistake they have ever made in the modern era. Had they hired Tyler, they would have never skipped a beat and we would likely still be trying to figure out how to win.
If I'm not mistaken he was given the AD job as well as the head football coach. He was offered to stay on as the football coach but had to give up the AD job. He refused and walked away, don't believe he was officially fired. He was not anything like Freeze, at least on the surface he wasn't. The Ole Miss people were pissed because they passed him up and instead hired a Kinard, although Tyler was Vaught's hand picked successor. While he was the coach at State, he ate Ole Miss' lunch at recruiting and they turned on him and turned State in to the NCAA, possibly on a number of trumped up charges. We may never know the extent of all that occurred..or the rest of the story.
You're correct, he was given the AD job after Charlie Shira died in 76'. In early 1978 he was given a new 4 year contract worth $400K (which was significant at that time). However, the wheels came off his wagon (on multiple fronts) during the 78' season and a decision was made by Dr. McComas to take the AD job away from him in late 1978/early 1979. That was subsequently followed by he and the university (Dr. McComas) going through several days (if not a couple of weeks) of negotiations through January 1979 to address paying off his new contract. In the end, the right decision was made for Mississippi State (as unfortunate as it was).
As I stated in a previous post, its a shame for Mississippi State (and Coach Tyler) that ended the way it did because he could have built an empire at State through the 1980s with the talent he was recruiting.
As I stated in a previous post, its a shame for Mississippi State (and Coach Tyler) that ended the way it did because he could have built an empire at State through the 1980s with the talent he was recruiting.
LOL, yep that was Tyler's moto. I have a VHS tape (I need to get it converted) narrated by Jack that's a review of the 1974 season called "Let's Win Something Today".
You guys are forgetting that we have artificial limits on the length of contracts. He can only have a five year contract. He'd be down to two years. Not extending him is one step away from firing him. If we want him as a coach, he has to get an extension or we are bumbling idiots.
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